Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 16:20:04 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #275 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sparring VS Fighting (Dave Wong) 2. RE: A friend is going to the PI... (nephalim1@netscape.net) 3. Re: Sparring VS Fighting (Pierre Honeyman) 4. Neat trick! (Ollie Batts) 5. Is it live or is it Memorex? Is is fighting or is it sparring? (Marc Denny) 6. Re: Is it live or is it Memorex? Is is fighting or is it sparring? (Pierre Honeyman) 7. Re: Is it live or is it Memorex? Is is fighting or is it sparring? (Daniel Arola) 8. RE: Is it live or is it Memorex? Is is fighting or is it sparring? (Ken Borowiec) 9. RE: Sparring VS Fighting (1@msfencing.org) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 21:35:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Wong Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sparring VS Fighting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Daniel Arola wrote: At a Dog Brothers gathering, Marc "Crafty Dog " Denny states .... "No trophies, no winners, no losers, just be friends at the end of the day" I believe that is the criteria established for these type of matches. There is a HUGE distinction between what is a sparring match and a fight and at the Dog Brother gatherings, they FIGHT. So..."fight" is one that ends with both parties becoming friends? Errr...I don't think that's realistic though. I could be reading it wrong but, "no trophies, no winners, no losers, just be friends at the end of the day" sounds more like a sparring to me simply becasue that's what happens in a lot of sparrings and tournaments rather than fights in the real world. But then, perhaps we're thinking too much into their distinctions. To me, sparring is also fighting. In sparring. The intention to hurt is still there. The difference may be that in sparring, the "winning" party usually know when to step on the brake and not go all the way. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:41:58 -0400 From: nephalim1@netscape.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Cc: graham.peabody@financial-ombudsman.org.uk ("Peabody, Graham") Subject: RE: [Eskrima] A friend is going to the PI... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net 1.January and February is a good time. The climate is a bit cooler and also dry. The wet season starts around June. 2.If your friend likes to hit the beaches late March or April, which is usually the start of the summer season. 3.Try the Mountain provinces in Luzon. Like the Banaue Rice Terraces.(http://www.travelintelligence.net/wsd/articles/art_1775.html) It is an awesome site to be in. You can climb down and up to the other side where acces to the terraces are(about 300 meters) through the concrete steps constructed. Go to Sagada for the "Hanging coffins". Hike up Mt. Pinatubo in Pampanga. There is a lake in the crater of that volcano. Try Lake Taal and hire a boat that takes you to the volcano in the middle of the lake and around some hot springs. Some boats for hire give you eggs to cook to show how hot the water is around the springs. And while your there you can't miss Barangay Balisong. Of course anybody in the digest knows what stuff can be found there. Try Bataan and Corregidor also. If your friend likes to surf, the beaches in Surigao are gaining popularity among international surfers. The Whale Shark (non carnivorous) is local to that area. Have Fun! Jose p.s. You can also get a travel guide to the Philippines published by Lonely Planet. Can be found at major bookstores, plenty of information. "Gilmour, Julian" wrote: >Hi all > >To all members in the PI (or anyone else with knowledge), a friend of >mine is planning a trip and emailed me these questions. (He has also >expressed an interest in seeing some FMA) > >1. When is the best time generally to visit the Philippines in respect >of the following places: Manilla, Palawan, Panay and Boracay Island. > >2. In respect of these places could they be visited easily during >January and February or would rain potentially make it too difficult >and/or uncomfortable. > >3. Are there any other places that are definitely worth visiting, >primarily for either or combination of good nightlife, good beaches and >even trekking / climbing. > >He also says he doesn't really want to be there during a monsoon. > > >Ray would probably prefer off-list responses, any help greatly >appreciated. > > > >Strike from the void > >Julian > > >############################################################################# >######## >This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended >solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If >you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. > >This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by >NetIQ MailMarshal > >The recipient of this email should ensure that it is virus free. 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Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sparring VS Fighting From: Pierre Honeyman To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:56:42 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Having just come from a fight, a real fight, I can tell you that it is not the same thing. I haven't been to a gathering, but I've fought DB style. It is not, not at all, the same as a fight. Pierre --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 09:43:04 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Neat trick! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Blimey, that was a neat trick! ;o) Pugil Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 12:48:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Bandile Dlabantu To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Mongols in Rome "Chingis died and he had to return home and deal with a succession battle between Mongke Khan and his brothers and never came back to central Europe to finish the job." --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:18:01 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Is it live or is it Memorex? Is is fighting or is it sparring? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: I've seen the various comments. Here's my take: There's different kinds of fights. We've been turned down by the UFC for being "just too extreme". I've had pro-MMA fighters who have seen our DB Gatherings live tell me that we are f-g crazy and there is no way that they would do what we do. People getting dropped by a single shot to the fencing mask is not rare, people getting stopped by cumulative shots is not rare, people being stopped by headbutts/hands/elbows/knees/kicks is not rare, and hands and other bones being broken is not rare. When someone says "sparring", is this what comes to mind for you? Right. Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 10:49:35 -0700 From: Pierre Honeyman To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Is it live or is it Memorex? Is is fighting or is it sparring? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Quoting Marc Denny : > Woof All: > > I've seen the various comments. Here's my take: > > There's different kinds of fights. > > We've been turned down by the UFC for being "just too extreme". I've had > pro-MMA fighters who have seen our DB Gatherings live tell me that we are > f-g crazy and there is no way that they would do what we do. People getting > > dropped by a single shot to the fencing mask is not rare, people getting > stopped by cumulative shots is not rare, people being stopped by > headbutts/hands/elbows/knees/kicks is not rare, and hands and other bones > being broken is not rare. > > When someone says "sparring", is this what comes to mind for you? > > Right. Marc, it's not about the intensity. In a fight YOU DO NOT HAVE THE OPTION TO STOP. There is no towel, no tapout, no respecting the knockout. You can't just cry "Uncle" and leave. If you "give" you get boots. Even in DB Gathering level matches, there is a mental safety involved in knowing that the other guy has some respect for you. You know that the audience will step in if things get out of hand; you know that there are people making sure the whole thing goes down with nobody being maimed or killed on purpose. None of that is there in a fight. Pierre --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 11:54:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Is it live or is it Memorex? Is is fighting or is it sparring? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Before this thread goes on any further, I think a person should experience the difference by participating in a full-on DB sponsored match before they run their mouths off on what they think it isn't. All this "need to be right" won't change 'what IS' when it is happening. Daniel Arola Pierre Honeyman wrote: Quoting Marc Denny : > Woof All: > > I've seen the various comments. Here's my take: > > There's different kinds of fights. > > We've been turned down by the UFC for being "just too extreme". I've had > pro-MMA fighters who have seen our DB Gatherings live tell me that we are > f-g crazy and there is no way that they would do what we do. People getting > > dropped by a single shot to the fencing mask is not rare, people getting > stopped by cumulative shots is not rare, people being stopped by > headbutts/hands/elbows/knees/kicks is not rare, and hands and other bones > being broken is not rare. > > When someone says "sparring", is this what comes to mind for you? > > Right. Marc, it's not about the intensity. In a fight YOU DO NOT HAVE THE OPTION TO STOP. There is no towel, no tapout, no respecting the knockout. You can't just cry "Uncle" and leave. If you "give" you get boots. Even in DB Gathering level matches, there is a mental safety involved in knowing that the other guy has some respect for you. You know that the audience will step in if things get out of hand; you know that there are people making sure the whole thing goes down with nobody being maimed or killed on purpose. None of that is there in a fight. Pierre _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Is it live or is it Memorex? Is is fighting or is it sparring? Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:14:07 -0400 From: "Ken Borowiec" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "We've been turned down by the UFC for being "just too extreme". I've had pro-MMA fighters who have seen our DB Gatherings live tell me that we are f-g crazy and there is no way that they would do what we do. People getting dropped by a single shot to the fencing mask is not rare, people getting stopped by cumulative shots is not rare, people being stopped by headbutts/hands/elbows/knees/kicks is not rare, and hands and other bones being broken is not rare. When someone says "sparring", is this what comes to mind for you?" ~Crafty Dog To me the difference between sparring and fighting is the intent. Do you remain friends after? Is it a beat down where once he is down you stomp on him to make sure he doesn't get up? or intended to teach each other to react better to a real life situation? When I spar I like to go as hard as allowed in the school or wherever. If I get hurt I clearly did something wrong and need to readapt my method. I get a hand up and we start again. Therefore even though I've lost I've learned. In real life I did learn something but the fight did not stop once I was down, They continued to attack cause they hoped to hurt me or knock me out maybe even worse. I've broken my shoulder while sparring and ended up with nothing but bruises in a fight. The films I've seen of dog brothers are rough and hard fun. The guys have a good time and everyone goes home satisfied or ready to fix a mistake for next time. To me IMHO this is not fighting but sparring. No holds barred sparring, but sparring none the less. Ken -----Original Message----- From: Marc Denny [mailto:craftydog@dogbrothers.com] Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:18 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Is it live or is it Memorex? Is is fighting or is it sparring? Woof All: I've seen the various comments. Here's my take: There's different kinds of fights. Right. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 9 From: <1@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Sparring VS Fighting Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:46:32 -0500 Organization: Mississippi Academy of Arms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Pierre Honeyman said: > Having just come from a fight, a real fight, I can tell you that it is > not the same thing. > > I haven't been to a gathering, but I've fought DB style. It is not, not > at all, the same as a fight. What about a boxing match then, would you call that a fight? Boxers usually shake hands before and after their "fights" and many remain friends. Boxers also spar with training partners before their "fights." Blessings, Rez "Standing guard on old, forgotten roads, that no one travels anymore." The Fencing Master, by Arturo Perez Rez Johnson, M d'A Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms President: United States Traditional Fencing Association Certified Fencing Instructor: (USTFA, TFI, AAI, USFCA) Certified Fencing Master Apprentice: (USTFA, USFCA) Teaching Classical Fencing and Historical Swordsmanship since 1980 Modern Sport Fencing Coach from 1980 - 2002 Teaching cane fighting in Mississippi since 1999 Authorized Goju-Shorei Weapons System Instructor since 2004 Mississippi Academy of Arms P.O. Box 955 Pelahatchie, MS 39145-0955 E-Mail: 1@MSFencing.org Academy Website: http://MSFencing.org USTFA Website: http://TraditionalFencing.org / Mississippi Academy of Arms *//////{<>===========================- \ Virtute et Armis Teaching Fencing in Central Mississippi since 1980 > -----Original Message----- > From: Pierre Honeyman [mailto:phoneyman@telus.net] > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 3:57 PM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sparring VS Fighting > > Having just come from a fight, a real fight, I can tell you that it is > not the same thing. > > I haven't been to a gathering, but I've fought DB style. It is not, not > at all, the same as a fight. > > Pierre > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2300 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest