Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:59:46 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #278 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Live or Memorex part three (Gints Klimanis) 2. Fighting/Sparring at Dog Brothers Gathering (Gints Klimanis) 3. Re: Live or Memorex part three (Pierre Honeyman) 4. Re: Sparring VS Fighting (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Gints Klimanis" To: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:06:35 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Live or Memorex part three Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: "Marc Denny" > I do submit though, if boxing is a fight, if kickboxing is a fight, if > Muay > Thai is a fight (and all of these have towels, tapouts and stopping when > there is a TKO or KO) then what we do is a fight too. > > I have yet to hear anyone say "What did you think of the sparring on the > UFC > last night?" How you about you? Marc Denny raises an excellent point in that we are battling over the terming of the action in various person-to-person combative contests. Which are fights and which are sparring matches ? In the past, many duels and death matches were arranged to settle matters of honor (revenge, slights of ego, test of male hierarchy) as well as competition for resources, such as food and women. Professional matches of today use a liquid form of wealth we call money. I think a lot of the so-called sparring we do today actually qualifies as fights. Perhaps our shortcoming is that we have not coined English terms to describe the various forms of fighting. A look to some of sources of American martial arts will provide examples of how other cultures solved this problem . Note how easily we accepted the Japanese word 'kumite' for a death tournament after the movie "Blood Sport." For that matter, inspect the words of the movie title. - Gints http://martialarts.about.com/od/japanesebasics/g/Kumite.htm Definition: Sparring. Kumite can be further broken down into types of sparring: a.. Kihon Ippon Kumite - One step sparring b.. Gohon Kumite - Five step sparring c.. Sanbon Kumite - Three step sparring d.. Keashi Ippon Kumite - Two step sparring e.. Jiyu Ippon Kumite - Semi Freestyle or controlled sparring f.. Okuri Jiyu Ippon Kumite - Two step sparring where the second movement is free. g.. Jiyu Kumite - Freestyle sparring. Kumite is also used as a generic term to describe all fighting divisions in most modern tournaments. Pronunciation: koo- mee - tay Also Known As: Ippon Kumite, sparring, point sparring Common Misspellings: kumete Examples: I will compete in Kumite at the tournament. Kumite is a necessary part of training. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Gints Klimanis" To: Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:04:16 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Fighting/Sparring at Dog Brothers Gathering Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Some nerves have been hit and more are to come. Currently, there is no PUBLIC event that I know of in the USA for testing weapons combative skills that is in the category of a Dog Brothers Gathering. Please correct me if I'm wrong, though I do know about lots of similar PRIVATE club activity. As a DB Gathering participant, I recall my own fear of severe physical damage, and I think this is the crucial element that brings the activity in this event closer to fighting than sparring. On the other hand, there are plenty of fights in which the dominator is clearly not delivering bout-ending blows in an effort to initiate his opponent to the venue. That is an element that is generally absent from tournament style fighting, even professional boxing. Professionals fight to win the prize. I think this combination of elements makes it so difficult to categorize the action in the Gathering. It's an open sparring/fighting event and which part of that spectrum is pursued is up to the contestants. -Gints --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:26:48 -0700 From: Pierre Honeyman To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Live or Memorex part three Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Quoting Marc Denny : > Woof Pierre et al: > > I tried addressing this point when I said "There are different kinds of > fights". > > If you tell me what we do is not a street fight without parties who will > intervene to keep things from going too far, I agree. > > I do submit though, if boxing is a fight, if kickboxing is a fight, if Muay > Thai is a fight (and all of these have towels, tapouts and stopping when > there is a TKO or KO) then what we do is a fight too. Agreed, 100%. Pierre --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sparring VS Fighting To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 21:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Seems like we are simply arguing over the definition of a word/term. We could go to Webster.com, or agree that to some a fight is akin to actual combat. Ok. To others a fight can be a sporting event, aka any event with rules and a ref. Ok, also. Sparing is training for either type of 'fight'. imho Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest