Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:16:25 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #306 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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RE: Fraud attempt at MA school (fwd) (Gajo, Mario) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: J.Richard Metcalfe To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 04:00:35 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Calgary fma/silat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings; Does anyone on the list know of any FMA or Silat schools in the Calgary, Alberta Canada area? thanks in advance.. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 13:52:58 +0200 From: "Lawrence Puren" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Lt. X from TopSecretTraining.com. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, Has anyone heard about Lt.X from TopSecretTraining.com They are promoting a self Defence system known as Accelerated Battlefield Combatives learning system which is stated as being the most advanced system of fighting/defence in the world which will knock the socks off any other system available etc,etc and which was taught to Special Forces,Seals and last but not least to C.IA operatives of all people. They state that the system was so dangerous that it was shut down by the U.S Government and is now taught privately via literature and DVDs , which u have to order of course for the princely sum of $ 148-00 Frankly, i am very sceptical of the outlandish claims however would appreciate any comments or feedback from the members. Many Thanx Guys. Regards, Lawrence Puren. "Hollard is a licensed Financial Services Provider (FSP) as defined in the Financial Advisory and Intermediary Services Act (FAIS). FAIS requires that anyone who makes any recommendation, guidance or proposal of a financial nature must be a duly authorised representative of a licensed FSP. If you are seeking financial advice, or if you feel that this email constitutes financial advice, or if the author of this email wants you to purchase, amend or cancel a policy, please check with the author that he/she is a registered representative of Hollard." This email and all content are subject to the following disclaimer: "http://www.hollard.co.za/legal/disclaimer.htm" [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of HSSEX2519_BFRS_FILE.TXT] --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Gerry Chenevert" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:47:49 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Training in Anaheim Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I just wanted to thank everyone that responded, and it's nice to know the FMA are so well represented.  I'm sure wherever Shaun goes he'll be in good hands!  Mabuhay Ang Escrima! With respect, Gerry --__--__-- Message: 4 From: GioSEAMA@aol.com Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 11:02:02 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Hanuman's Warriors Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For those interested in the indian martial arts, there is a new book by Edward Powe, Ph.D that is the second in a continuing series called Hanuman's Warriors. The first book Dravidian Displays of Daring and now Hanuman's Warriors go a long way on shedding some light on the martial traditions of soutnern india. The support of his books goes toward his further research in the area. There is no website for the purchase since he sells them himself personally. Vincent Well my "Hanuman's Warriors" is hot off the press. It costs $35 (B&W) and (the color copy costs $150). There is also a shipping and handling charge of $6 for either book. The following is a brief description. Title: BMA VI: Hanuman's Warriors in Tamil Nadu & Southern Kerala Description - This volume, a sequel to my "Dravidian Displays of Daring", comprises Book VI of the Black Martial Arts series. The first 60 pages of the book deal with Hanuman, the Hindu "patron god of martial artists and gymnasts" and the remaining pages present five Dravidian martial arts closely associated with the Monkey God and his descendants that are still practiced enthusiastically by his partisans in Tamil Nadu and Southern Kerala, namely: 1) silambam; 2) southern kalarippayattu; 3) northern kalarippayattu; 4) mallar kambam; and 5) sadugudu (kabbadi). The chapters dealing with silambam and mallar kambam are greatly expanded and updated treatments of what was presented in Book V; and the material on Southern Kalari, Northern Kalari, and Kabbadi are completely new as are all the photos in the book. This volume with its 365 pages, 359 photos and is perhaps the most comprehensive presentation yet dealing with the Dravidian Martial Arts of Southern India. Those interested should send a money order to: Edward L. Powe 530 W Johnson St. #202 Madison, WI 53703 --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Gajo, Mario" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Lt. X from TopSecretTraining.com. Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:03:29 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net About 15 years ago I have seen a similar ad in a martial arts magazine and of coarse they were selling videos on how to use these deadly techniques. I showed a Navy Seal friend the ad and he just started laughing at it. He told me that the Seals just learn basic hand to hand combat and that if they want to get better training in hand to hand they would join a martial arts studio outside the base. But we wanted to see this deadly art so we ordered the video. After receiving it we started watching it and had to stop it after 30 seconds because it was stupid and ridiculous. You couldn't stop a 3 year old kid with the stuff that they were showing. So don't waste your time and $148.00 on this junk. We got our money back and returned the video with a letter. Mario -----Original Message----- From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net [mailto:eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net] On Behalf Of Lawrence Puren Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:53 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Lt. X from TopSecretTraining.com. Hi all, Has anyone heard about Lt.X from TopSecretTraining.com They are promoting a self Defence system known as Accelerated Battlefield Combatives learning system which is stated as being the most advanced system of fighting/defence in the world which will knock the socks off any other system available etc,etc and which was taught to Special Forces,Seals and last but not least to C.IA operatives of all people. They state that the system was so dangerous that it was shut down by the U.S Government and is now taught privately via literature and DVDs , which u have to order of course for the princely sum of $ 148-00 Frankly, i am very sceptical of the outlandish claims however would appreciate any comments or feedback from the members. Many Thanx Guys. Regards, Lawrence Puren. "Hollard is a licensed Financial Services Provider (FSP) as defined in the Financial Advisory and Intermediary Services Act (FAIS). FAIS requires that anyone who makes any recommendation, guidance or proposal of a financial nature must be a duly authorised representative of a licensed FSP. If you are seeking financial advice, or if you feel that this email constitutes financial advice, or if the author of this email wants you to purchase, amend or cancel a policy, please check with the author that he/she is a registered representative of Hollard." This email and all content are subject to the following disclaimer: "http://www.hollard.co.za/legal/disclaimer.htm" [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of HSSEX2519_BFRS_FILE.TXT] _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Eskrima] Fraud attempt at MA school (fwd) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Fowarding... Ray ----------------------- This is a note that has been forwared to our Association schools. I thought I would pass it to the list to infrom all others to beware. Take care all, Bruce ******** About 2-3 weeks ago we were contacted via email about offering private lessons to someone's child. They said that their daughter had trained before and would be in our area for about 6 weeks and they wanted her to have some private lessons and asked us to send them a quote on what the cost for those lessons would be. We sent them a quote and they wrote back saying that they definitly wanted to do it. They then told us that they would be sending us payment for the lessons and what they wanted us to do was deduct what we charged and send the balance back to them. They send us two money orders for $950 each ($1900 total) and followed it with an e-mail asking us to deduct our cost and wire them the remainder of the money to a travel agent in the UK. I had seen something about fraud like this being committed (especially via ebay using money orders) so THE INSTRUCTOR went to the bank and had them check out the money orders before we did anything with them. They were fake, and basically what happens is that by the time the money order bounces or does not clear, you have already wired the money (most of the time they request Western Union). There is no way for you to trace the money or get it back. I also am not sure whether they have been contacting other karate schools or not. So I just wanted to give everyone a heads up. If you are in this situation, or have recieved any type of money order that you are not sure of you can call 1-800-ASK-USPS or go on their website at www.usps.com. They have a list of things that you can look at to see whether the money order is a fake (there is one in particular with the numbers across the top of the money order). Hopefully no one else has been contacted yet, or if they have they have not sent any money yet - I would hate to see anyone taken advantage of. PS. Here are the last two emails we recieved from them: "The payment for the lesson has being sent toyou and you will receive it tomorrow tuesday or wednesday, As soon as you receive it i want you to deduct your lesson and send the remaining fund to my travelling agent via western union Kindly get back to me" "Hello I have contacted my Traveling Agency, This is the Information in which you will use in sending the excess fund to my Travelling Agency by Western Union, So that Felicia and my client will be given the ticket for the trip to the lesson and my client will take care of his stay during the lesson,When you send the excess fund, Western union will give you MTCN NUMBER that contain (10 digit number) and you will provide a question and answer for the money also. SENDER NAME : SENDER TEL : MTCN NUMBER QUESTION : ANSWER : Go to any western union location near you and send the fund by Western Union Money Transfer You will need to send this information back to me so that i can forward it to my travelling agent as to get the travelling ticket and all necessary stay for the lesson. RECEIVER NAME : ADDRESS : MANCHESTER MII 2BX UK Below are the western union information I will need from you once the transfer has been done. 1.) Money transfer Control Number [MTCN] 2.) Exact Amount Sent After Deducting Charges from the Money. 3.) Senders complete information used(name and address) 4.) Text question of the Money and the Answer. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Gajo, Mario" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Fraud attempt at MA school (fwd) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 10:58:13 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the heads up. I would have wondered why they would send you an "X" amount of money when you have already quoted them certain amount. Mario -----Original Message----- From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net [mailto:eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:46 AM To: Eskrima Subject: [Eskrima] Fraud attempt at MA school (fwd) Fowarding... Ray ----------------------- This is a note that has been forwared to our Association schools. I thought I would pass it to the list to infrom all others to beware. Take care all, Bruce ******** About 2-3 weeks ago we were contacted via email about offering private lessons to someone's child. They said that their daughter had trained before and would be in our area for about 6 weeks and they wanted her to have some private lessons and asked us to send them a quote on what the cost for those lessons would be. We sent them a quote and they wrote back saying that they definitly wanted to do it. They then told us that they would be sending us payment for the lessons and what they wanted us to do was deduct what we charged and send the balance back to them. They send us two money orders for $950 each ($1900 total) and followed it with an e-mail asking us to deduct our cost and wire them the remainder of the money to a travel agent in the UK. I had seen something about fraud like this being committed (especially via ebay using money orders) so THE INSTRUCTOR went to the bank and had them check out the money orders before we did anything with them. They were fake, and basically what happens is that by the time the money order bounces or does not clear, you have already wired the money (most of the time they request Western Union). There is no way for you to trace the money or get it back. I also am not sure whether they have been contacting other karate schools or not. So I just wanted to give everyone a heads up. If you are in this situation, or have recieved any type of money order that you are not sure of you can call 1-800-ASK-USPS or go on their website at www.usps.com. They have a list of things that you can look at to see whether the money order is a fake (there is one in particular with the numbers across the top of the money order). Hopefully no one else has been contacted yet, or if they have they have not sent any money yet - I would hate to see anyone taken advantage of. PS. Here are the last two emails we recieved from them: "The payment for the lesson has being sent toyou and you will receive it tomorrow tuesday or wednesday, As soon as you receive it i want you to deduct your lesson and send the remaining fund to my travelling agent via western union Kindly get back to me" "Hello I have contacted my Traveling Agency, This is the Information in which you will use in sending the excess fund to my Travelling Agency by Western Union, So that Felicia and my client will be given the ticket for the trip to the lesson and my client will take care of his stay during the lesson,When you send the excess fund, Western union will give you MTCN NUMBER that contain (10 digit number) and you will provide a question and answer for the money also. SENDER NAME : SENDER TEL : MTCN NUMBER QUESTION : ANSWER : Go to any western union location near you and send the fund by Western Union Money Transfer You will need to send this information back to me so that i can forward it to my travelling agent as to get the travelling ticket and all necessary stay for the lesson. RECEIVER NAME : ADDRESS : MANCHESTER MII 2BX UK Below are the western union information I will need from you once the transfer has been done. 1.) Money transfer Control Number [MTCN] 2.) Exact Amount Sent After Deducting Charges from the Money. 3.) Senders complete information used(name and address) 4.) Text question of the Money and the Answer. _______________________________________________ The_Dojang mailing list, 2,100 members The_Dojang@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/the_dojang _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest