Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 02:59:15 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #307 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Lt. X from TopSecretTraining.com. (Steve Ames) 2. RE: Fraud Attempt (Young Forest) 3. RE: Lt. X from TopSecretTraining.com (Young Forest) 4. RE: Fraud attempt at MA school (fwd) (Jonathan Kessler) 5. RE: Seal Training (Jeff Monaghan) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 14:00:43 -0400 From: Steve Ames To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Lt. X from TopSecretTraining.com. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gotta agree. Don't waste your money. Two things instantly should setoff your BS detector: 1. That you are encouraged to learn such a deadly art using videos instead of live trainers; 2. The military would think something is 'too deadly'. Heh. Unless its too deadly to the person using it. -steve On Thu, Sep 21, 2006 at 09:03:29AM -0700, Gajo, Mario wrote: > About 15 years ago I have seen a similar ad in a martial arts magazine > and of coarse they were selling videos on how to use these deadly > techniques. I showed a Navy Seal friend the ad and he just started > laughing at it. He told me that the Seals just learn basic hand to hand > combat and that if they want to get better training in hand to hand they > would join a martial arts studio outside the base. But we wanted to see > this deadly art so we ordered the video. > After receiving it we started watching it and had to stop it after 30 > seconds because it was stupid and ridiculous. You couldn't stop a 3 year > old kid with the stuff that they were showing. > So don't waste your time and $148.00 on this junk. We got our money back > and returned the video with a letter. > > Mario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net > [mailto:eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net] On Behalf Of Lawrence > Puren > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:53 AM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Lt. X from TopSecretTraining.com. > > Hi all, > Has anyone heard about Lt.X from TopSecretTraining.com > They are promoting a self Defence system known as Accelerated > Battlefield Combatives learning system which is stated as being the most > advanced system of fighting/defence in the world which will knock the > socks off any other system available etc,etc and which was taught to > Special Forces,Seals and last but not least to C.IA operatives of all > people. They state that the system was so dangerous that it was shut > down by the U.S Government and is now taught privately via literature > and DVDs , which u have to order of course for the princely sum of $ > 148-00 > Frankly, i am very sceptical of the outlandish claims however would > appreciate any comments or feedback from the members. > Many Thanx Guys. > > Regards, > > Lawrence Puren. > > > "Hollard is a licensed Financial Services Provider (FSP) as defined in > the > Financial Advisory and Intermediary Services Act (FAIS). FAIS requires > that > anyone who makes any recommendation, guidance or proposal of a financial > nature must be a duly authorised representative of a licensed FSP. If > you are > seeking financial advice, or if you feel that this email constitutes > financial > advice, or if the author of this email wants you to purchase, amend or > cancel > a policy, please check with the author that he/she is a registered > representative of Hollard." > This email and all content are subject to the following disclaimer: > > "http://www.hollard.co.za/legal/disclaimer.htm" > > [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name > of HSSEX2519_BFRS_FILE.TXT] > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:46:06 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Fraud Attempt Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >PS. Here are the last two emails we recieved from them: > >"The payment for the lesson has being sent toyou and you will receive it >tomorrow tuesday or wednesday, As soon as you receive it i want you to >deduct >your lesson and send the remaining fund to my travelling agent via western >union This is the classic overpayment scam. The same people running the advance-fee fraud (AKA the Nigerian Fraud, or 419 Fraud) do this one as well. They claim that the overpayment was an accountant's mistake typically. Here's what would happen: You would receive a cheque that appears legitimate in all ways. You would deposit it in your account, then send the Western Union money transfer for the difference. Soon, you would find out that the cheque was a fake and the bank would withdraw the amount from your account. Unfortunately, by this time, the scam artist would have already received his money - you are out for any amount you sent, as well as anything you spent out of the amount you received. Targeting martial arts schools is a newer variation - in the past it has been apartments for rent ("my son will be travelling to the US for college this year, and I need to secure living space for him...") or eBay purchases (where they get your merchandise as well as whatever money you send). Badger North www.youngforest.ca --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 20:47:49 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Lt. X from TopSecretTraining.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Has anyone heard about Lt.X from TopSecretTraining.com I believe www.bullshido.net has done an exposé or two on them. Badger Jones www.youngforest.ca --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 16:21:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Kessler Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Fraud attempt at MA school (fwd) To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For a humorous, if not entirely mature, approach to dealing with scams of this ilk, see http://www.ebolamonkeyman.com/ JK "Gajo, Mario" wrote: Thanks for the heads up. I would have wondered why they would send you an "X" amount of money when you have already quoted them certain amount. Mario -----Original Message----- From: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net [mailto:eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net] On Behalf Of Ray Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:46 AM To: Eskrima Subject: [Eskrima] Fraud attempt at MA school (fwd) Fowarding... Ray --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 22:55:25 -0400 From: "Jeff Monaghan" To: Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Seal Training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Funny about the deadly CIA and Navy Seal training for only $148... My current instructor (Pat Tray) is a retired 22-year Navy Seal and learned Kali from Guro Dan. Pat must be practicing Kali for fun and keeping the good stuff to him self, or I've got a bridge to sell you. Cheers, Jeff --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest