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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. New UK stick supplier (Jon Broster) 2. Re: You're right. (iPat) 3. Re: You're right. (Ray) 4. 9 out of 10 (bgdebuque) 5. Post message (Fight Club Sandman) 6. better late than never (Ray) 7. Statistics (9 out of 10) (Cayson, Clint) 8. Re: Manny and MMA (Michael Gallagher) 9. Stickfighitng at Hermann Park in Houston this Sunday (Daniel Arola) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 12:29:24 +0000 (GMT) From: Jon Broster To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] New UK stick supplier Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi I have just set up a mail order company selling sticks. I am based in the UK and have been active in FMA for the last 15 or so years. I offer great sticks at very competitive prices. http://www.combatstix.co.uk/ Jon "There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife" http://www.pecahan.net Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:33:30 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] You're right. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ankle/wrist weights nooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hyperextension injury to the elbow joint. Dont do break cinder blocks nooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! damages your hands. A trained SAS soldier would hit with a slap rather than a punch so that his fingers wouldnt be broken which would stop him drawing his weapon and firing. When you walk around town, simply avoid the trouble On 11/24/06, TJ Reid wrote: I > would like to know since you can't walk around town > with a kali stick (I sometimes carry my butterfly > knife) and since (this is my observation) you guys > prefer stand up fighting, do ya'll practice punching > stuff like those guys who break cinder blocks on tv; > you know to condition hand bones so they won't break > when you punch? Also, I thought about doing some > stick work with ankle/wrist weights attached to my > wrists. Is that a good idea instead of using > something heavier than kali sticks? > -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] You're right. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 07:09:47 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > on the ground stat. Thanks you guys for your input, I > would like to know since you can't walk around town > with a kali stick (I sometimes carry my butterfly > knife) and since (this is my observation) you guys > prefer stand up fighting, do ya'll practice punching > stuff like those guys who break cinder blocks on tv; > you know to condition hand bones so they won't break > when you punch? Did some conditioning 30 years ago, but not so much these days. Not really good for you. Just make a proper fist or use open hand strikes. > Also, I thought about doing some > stick work with ankle/wrist weights attached to my > wrists. Is that a good idea instead of using > something heavier than kali sticks? Make occasional use of rebar. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 12:00:58 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] 9 out of 10 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have observed more than 20 streetfights both in the Philippines and in Indonesia and I only saw one which ended up on the ground. In this particular case, two 50-somethings decided to challenge one another mano y mano after about 1 "lata" (5-gallon kerosene can) of "tuba" (Philippine coconut sap wine). They did not end up on the ground by choice. After about 5 minutes of throwing flailing punches, they were just too tired to remain standing up. The 9 out of 10 rule might be true for Macho Challenge Matches in the beaches of Brazil. In the streets of Southeast Asia, however, where at least one party to a fight is armed with at least a knife, and the streets are littered with potholes, rocks, bottles and other forms of garbage, ground fighting is abhorred like the plague. In fights where at least one party is armed, whenever somebody hits the ground, it means that he is already either a hospital or funeral case... =[:->] > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 12:15:39 +0000 > From: Ollie Batts > To: > Subject: [Eskrima] 9 out of 10 > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > 9 out of 10 fights usually end up with someone on the ground, but it aint > always both of them! > > I guess the 0.1 per cent of fights that Ray mentions is when someone hits > their partner when they're both in bed at the time ;o) > > If not being there in the first place, or at least not being able to get > the > hell away from the situation as fast as you can, are obsolete choices, > then > trying to stay on your feet is a much better option than willingly rolling > around in the dirt. > > Pugil > > > > From: Ray > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Manny and MMA > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:01:27 -0800 (PST) > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > ... as my guru said 9 > > times out of 10 a real fight ends up on the ground. > > We aren't sure that is actually the case, but we -can- say with a fairly > high > level of confidence that 9.9 out of 10 real fights start standing up. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > > -- __--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 18:09:30 -0800 (PST) > From: TJ Reid > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] You're right. > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Ray said: > -we -can- say with a > fairly high > level of confidence that 9.9 out of 10 real fights > start standing up. - > > I agree 9.99% of fights do start standing up. And JK > hit it on the head with BJJ guys bringing up how alot > of other fights like a cop arresting someone ends up > on the ground stat. Thanks you guys for your input, I > would like to know since you can't walk around town > with a kali stick (I sometimes carry my butterfly > knife) and since (this is my observation) you guys > prefer stand up fighting, do ya'll practice punching > stuff like those guys who break cinder blocks on tv; > you know to condition hand bones so they won't break > when you punch? Also, I thought about doing some > stick work with ankle/wrist weights attached to my > wrists. Is that a good idea instead of using > something heavier than kali sticks? > > Thanx > > TJ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:52:55 +0100 From: "Fight Club Sandman" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Post message Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello everybody! My name is Cristian van de Sande and Eskrima is my passion and life. I'm a Cacoy Doce Pares Eskrima Instructor from the Netherlands. I created an public Eskrima-Kali-Arnis linkpage for those who wanna learn more about our beautifull Martial Art. This page - www.eskrima.startpagina.nl is long not complete so I can use your help. Please email me your websiteadress - if it's about Eskrima, Kali or Arnis - and I will place it on this page! Thank you very much and enjoy life! Mabuhay, The Sandman www.fightclubsandman.nl Sandman QualityGroup 06 - 14 55 87 58 ------------------------------------------------------------ Let - sil vous plait - op het volgende: De informatie die u aantreft in dit elektronisch bericht is privé en vertrouwelijk en alleen bestemd voor de geadresseerde persoon. Is het bericht niet voor u bestemd: elke vorm van vrijgeven, reproductie, distributie en overig gebruik van dit elektronisch bericht is ten strengste verboden. Als u dit bericht ten onrechte heeft ontvangen, wordt u hierbij verzocht om de verzender van dit bericht op de hoogte te stellen door middel van een elektronisch bericht. Verder wordt u verzocht om het betreffende elektronisch bericht uit uw postvak te verwijderen zonder het te kopieren of te verspreiden. Einde bericht en nog een geweldige dag gewenst! Mabuhay The Sandman --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 09:23:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [Eskrima] better late than never Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Cacoy Doce Pares Eskrima Instructor from the Netherlands. > I created an public Eskrima-Kali-Arnis linkpage for those who wanna learn > more about our beautifull Martial Art. > This page - www.eskrima.startpagina.nl is long not complete so I can use > your help. > Please email me your websiteadress - if it's about Eskrima, Kali or Arnis > - and I will place it on this page! Sorry, you're a few years late, but what the hell... :) Hundreds of such sites are available, and there are a few... http://www.docepares.com/ - for Doce Pares http://www.martialartsresource.com/ - for the FMAs as well as the KMAs http://www.martialartsresource.com/links/links.htm - for links to FMA et al sites Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 12:34:34 -0500 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Statistics (9 out of 10) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I concur. Statistics doesn't really apply to a streetfight in Philippines. Peace to all! -------------------------------------- Clint V Cayson -----Original Message----- From: bgdebuque [mailto:bgdebuque@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 12:01 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] 9 out of 10 I have observed more than 20 streetfights both in the Philippines and in Indonesia and I only saw one which ended up on the ground. In this particular case, two 50-somethings decided to challenge one another mano y mano after about 1 "lata" (5-gallon kerosene can) of "tuba" (Philippine coconut sap wine). They did not end up on the ground by choice. After about 5 minutes of throwing flailing punches, they were just too tired to remain standing up. The 9 out of 10 rule might be true for Macho Challenge Matches in the beaches of Brazil. In the streets of Southeast Asia, however, where at least one party to a fight is armed with at least a knife, and the streets are littered with potholes, rocks, bottles and other forms of garbage, ground fighting is abhorred like the plague. In fights where at least one party is armed, whenever somebody hits the ground, it means that he is already either a hospital or funeral case... =[:->] --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 12:34:54 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Manny and MMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 04:26 PM 11/22/2006, you wrote: >I'm more comfortable with Ray's figure. :-) > > The "9 out of 10 end up on the ground" figure came from a study of > police arrests that were resisted. Figure that the goal of an arresting > officer is a handcuffed perp, and that figure makes sense .... That depends. If you're talking about cops arresting someone, they want the suspect face down on the ground with his or her hands behind the back so they can be cuffed -- a reference point grapplers don't train for. OTOH -- and I thought of this within the last 30 seconds -- if you're talking about cops BREAKING UP fights between two people, they might be rolling around on the floor by the time cops try to pry them apart. Or not. Like I said, I thought of it just now. Of course, the question then arises why law enforcement would note when a fight they break up ends on the ground. But it's something to bear in mind. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 10:10:22 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Arola To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Stickfighitng at Hermann Park in Houston this Sunday Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Houston Stick Fighting Association's 1st combative meet on 11/26/2006(Sunday) There is this newly formed Martial Arts Weapons group called the Houston Stick Fighting Association. They will be hosting their 1st combative gathering at Hermann Park in the heart of the city near the museum, the zoo and medical center area in Houston Texas. The event will be held on Sunday, November 26, 2006 starting at 10:00 am til 12:00 pm. The HSFA is not limited to just the Filipino Kali/Arnis/Escrima players, but to all other MA weapons enthusiasts[Kendo/Shinai/Bokken, Staff, Naginata, tonfa, Chucks, lance, Jo, SCA Heavy Combat, ARMA swordplay, Amtgard, etc.] For more info about the HSFA, the web adress is http://houstonstickfighting.org I had just moved back to Houston after 20-plus months in Fayetteville, North Carolina from training FMA with some of the joes there, and it looked like I moved back at the right time. I am very happy to see the interest in martial arts weapons combat(FMA in particular) continue to grow and I am grateful for Johnathan Bolton to have started this association. Johnathan is also a student under Tim Mousel in Houston. Tim is also my instructor since 1993. Johnathan is an instructor at the Houston Martial Arts Academy located in downtown Houston. I'm quite sure the fights will be entertaining to say the least. Daniel DAMAG-INC [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] http://www.damag-inc.zoomshare.com --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest