Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 02:58:27 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 13 #388 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Stockton revisited (Terrence David Reyes) 2. Re: re: noteworthy instructors in Cabales Serrada (Ray) 3. Re: Stockton revisited (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 17:35:55 -0800 From: "Terrence David Reyes" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Stockton revisited Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>>>That story comes down from Max and Angel, so it was probably from their perspective that Johnny Lacoste was the top manong that they needed, or wanted, approval from to openly teach the filipino fighting arts. <<<<<< Thank you Ray for your kind response on this. Indeed both Max and Angel were mighty pillars in the Stockton Filipino Community as a whole. Max for his work with the FYA (Filipino Youth Association) and WES, as well as being a lifelong family friend who was very instrumental in the builiding of our family home. Never mentioned are Angel's civic and humanitarian endeavours. Angel was always giving of his time and giving back to the community, weather it be setting up tables and sweeping up after a charitable Filipino event, or providing security at weddings, birthday parties, political events regarding visiting diplomats from the Philippines, or treating his students for late night merienda at "Sambo's", to security for hire at the Sabong. Part of being one of Angel's "pinoy" students was to assist him in these endeavours as to give back and help the Stockton Filipino Community grow. It can also be noted that for those who lacked the finances to attend his classes at the Academy, he provided free lessons in exchange for your giving back to the community by assigning you to help pull weeds, paint and mow lawns, etc at homes of the elderly Filipinos, or help the Manongs move from the camps to the city or driving them to the the Doctor, grocery store, pharmacy and the like and/or assisting him in the aforementioned. Angel always availed himself to helping out and freely gave of his time. >>>>Well, certainly GM Cabales thought he was :-) In our "The Grandfathers Speak" DVD GM Cabales is quite clear that he considered himself to be the holder of the title "Father of the Filipino Arts. <<<<<<< A moniker bestowed to him by his former students but more so by martial art mag/rag journalists. Most noteably Jane Hallander who once appeared at the Academy back in the 1970's proclaiming, "I'm here to interview the "Father of Escrima". She then intimated that she borrowed the byline/ title from her editior. So in essence Angel was merely echoing what he had been told and what had been written about him. Nothing more.The two minute or so soundbyte on the said DVD also does not know bestow the whole underlining story of why Angel felt the way he did, sayang la! >>>>>Angel's Serrada was basically his creation after he moved to the US. And it changed over time (to a shorter stick, etc) <<<<<<< Back in the day, stick length was measured from the inside armpit to the middle of the palm, One of the highlights of being Angel's "new" student was having him take you to the back of his Chevy Vega, size you as if you were buying a new suit and watch him pull a length of rattan from the hatchback and saw off a custom tailored baston for you. So to that, every student would have a different length stick based on their size and height. Often times if you saw Angel at a demo with longer sticks, they were ones that usually belonged to his taller students. The same can be said when he taught at the Academy. He would just pick up whatever baston that was closest to him and proceed with the lesson. >>>>I'd have said the top manong to be GM Regino Ilustrisimo :) <<<<<< Co-worker (could decimate a row of asparagus in minutes), neighbor, friend and all around nice guy. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re: noteworthy instructors in Cabales Serrada To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:59:57 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > do you have any nexus to Cabales Serrada, other than > Mike Inay? Depends on how strong a connection you are looking for. Those that I trained with for some length of time that trained directly under Angel? Khalid Khan and Mike Inay. Of course Khalid taught "Cabales Serrada Escrima" and Mike taught Inayan Eskrima, of which Inayan Serrada was a component. And Mike was one of the very early group of students, while Khalid was more in the last group of students. Those that I have had discussions with that trained under Angel? Many more, people like Al Concepcion, Vincent Cabales, etc., etc. Those that claimed to have been Angel's "closed door student"? Too many to mention. Makes me recall how one fellow was trying to tell me that he had been a long time closed door student under "Mike Inayan". Umm, ok, he couldn't even get the name correct. Sure... One fellow was telling me how Angel ate dinner almost every night at his house... umm, ok... I guess that counts as learning Serrada. :) Then the comments of manongs like Cacoy Canete that met and compared notes, as at least an equal, with Angel. Members and former members of this forum that studied with Angel. Which has sometimes been interesting to compare their statements with those that were also there and witnessed something very different. Clearly stories change and grow as the years pass... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Ray Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Stockton revisited To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 19:07:05 -0800 (PST) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >>>>>Angel's Serrada was basically his creation after he moved to the > US. And it changed over time (to a shorter stick, etc) <<<<<<< > > Back in the day, stick length was measured from the inside armpit to > the middle of the palm, One of the highlights of being Angel's "new" > student was having him take you to the back of his Chevy Vega, size > you as if you were buying a new suit and watch him pull a length of > rattan from the hatchback and saw off a custom tailored baston for > you. So to that, every student would have a different length stick > based on their size and height. Often times if you saw Angel at a demo > with longer sticks, they were ones that usually belonged to his taller > students. The same can be said when he taught at the Academy. He would > just pick up whatever baston that was closest to him and proceed with > the lesson. Apparently this came along later, as his first students witnessed this development. But since I wasn't there, I can't be sure... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2006: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest