Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 02:58:25 -0800 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #32 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2300 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Jim Wagner (norm rayos) 2. Re: Jim Wagner (Ray) 3. re:Pekiti-Tirsia and Dekiti-Tirsia (Renato Chavez) 4. Re: re:Pekiti-Tirsia and Dekiti-Tirsia (jay de leon) 5. Re: re:Pekiti-Tirsia and Dekiti-Tirsia (Ray) 6. Re: re:Pekiti-Tirsia and Dekiti-Tirsia (jay de leon) 7. Re: re:Pekiti-Tirsia and Dekiti-Tirsia (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "norm rayos" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 08:11:11 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Jim Wagner Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net So...has anyone gone to any of his seminars or have an opinion of his knife the "realiy based blade"? Norm p.s. not all at once guys! _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo – buy and sell with people you know http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwex0010000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://expo.live.com?s_cid=Hotmail_tagline_12/06 --__--__-- Message: 2 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Jim Wagner To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 11:56:51 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > So...has anyone gone to any of his seminars or have an opinion of his knife > the "realiy based blade"? If you are brand new to the blade you're very likely to get something out of his training. Each course is eight hours long, so you can see that it isn't like training in an art for months or years. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 12:10:38 -0800 (PST) From: Renato Chavez To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re:Pekiti-Tirsia and Dekiti-Tirsia Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net FMA-cheapened (Dekiti-Tirsia) I bring this subject of Dekiti-Tirsia because this name destroys the Tortals family and the legacy of the true system. I was confronted by many who attended the seminar of Nene Tortal questioning the Dekiti-Tirsia claimed to be a Tortal family system. The real truth is there is no "Dekiti-Tirsia" Nene Tortal is not what he claims to be inheriting and learned from his father Balbino Tortal. His father died during the war when he was 7 years and with his other brothers left with their mother. I can contest this statement because it is a shame that the Tortals family is being a victim of lying and false information. And more so the people that believe on this lie of Nene Tortal. He is not DekitiTirsia as a system because a system can be presented with Professionalism and after two hours seminar Nene Tortal has nothing to teach except disarming. So those who believe him is conspirator to the lies that he spread among the FMA student. If he is not a Tortal I don't mind it but a Tortal that lies affects me since , my grandfather is his father bnother. Many knew that Nene Tortal is not Dekiti-Tirsia and he has very limited knowledge. All what he does is stolen techniques from Pekiti-Tirsia. he took most of my training tape and he didn't return and what he does is copy and pirate the techniques what is Pekiti _tirsia except disarming .So there is no Dekiti-Tirsia. Those who claimed authority under the Tortal family should come out and proved that he has enough knowledge of the Tortal's system . Selling instructors certificate is prostituting the FMA. And this is what you get from the immitation Peklti-Tirsia. And for those who buys Instructors certificate is just as an idiot like the seller. It is shamefull that one of my Pekiti-Tirsia instrucrtor was offered to buy Dekiti-Tirsia Instructors certificate for thousands of dollars. Nene Tortal learned from Greg Alland the art of sellling , the art of Bullshit. So both of them has good business about FMA -Do you still believe these guys. I want to clean the bad impression about the Tortal family on this certificate deal . It can be settled in many ways . Rommel Tortal a Philippiune Resident Instructor claims the righful Tortals System and he is Nene Tortal younger brother son. Rommel Tortal was the stick bagman of Nene Tortal for many years and yet he didn't learn anything from Nene Tortal. Many stories about Nene Tortal but mostly were untrue. Like he claims he taught the Philippine Army , it was not the Philippine Army but students cadets under the ROTC-reserve officers training corps . This alone Nene Tortal claim as Philippine Army , it is a big lie. Rommel Tortal , my second man in the Pekiti-Tirsia kali system has been outstanding instructor for many years. he topped the cllass on water combat scuba and he is now a regular officer and a gentleman. those who may read , please forward it to ligitimate students of FMA. ____________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://ph.mail.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 14:21:42 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re:Pekiti-Tirsia and Dekiti-Tirsia To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For those of us not familiar with this system's lineage and would want to understand : (1) Do you mean to say that Dekiti-Tirsia is simply a made-up style derived from the original Pekiti-Tirsia, or there really was such an original style known as Dekiti-Tirsia and Nene Tortal does not really know this system because he lost his father at a young age? (2) Could you please tell us what your place or position is in relation to the original system? All we have to go with is the email name and address. Thank you. Jay de Leon www.tipunan.com Renato Chavez wrote: FMA-cheapened (Dekiti-Tirsia) I bring this subject of Dekiti-Tirsia because this name destroys the Tortals family and the legacy of the true system. I was confronted by many who attended the seminar of Nene Tortal questioning the Dekiti-Tirsia claimed to be a Tortal family system. The real truth is there is no "Dekiti-Tirsia" Nene Tortal is not what he claims to be inheriting and learned from his father Balbino Tortal. His father died during the war when he was 7 years and with his other brothers left with their mother. I can contest this statement because it is a shame that the Tortals family is being a victim of lying and false information. And more so the people that believe on this lie of Nene Tortal. He is not DekitiTirsia as a system because a system can be presented with Professionalism and after two hours seminar Nene Tortal has nothing to teach except disarming. So those who believe him is conspirator to the lies that he spread among the FMA student. If he is not a Tortal I don't mind it but a Tortal that lies affects me since , my grandfather is his father bnother. Many knew that Nene Tortal is not Dekiti-Tirsia and he has very limited knowledge. All what he does is stolen techniques from Pekiti-Tirsia. he took most of my training tape and he didn't return and what he does is copy and pirate the techniques what is Pekiti _tirsia except disarming .So there is no Dekiti-Tirsia. Those who claimed authority under the Tortal family should come out and proved that he has enough knowledge of the Tortal's system . Selling instructors certificate is prostituting the FMA. And this is what you get from the immitation Peklti-Tirsia. And for those who buys Instructors certificate is just as an idiot like the seller. It is shamefull that one of my Pekiti-Tirsia instrucrtor was offered to buy Dekiti-Tirsia Instructors certificate for thousands of dollars. Nene Tortal learned from Greg Alland the art of sellling , the art of Bullshit. So both of them has good business about FMA -Do you still believe these guys. I want to clean the bad impression about the Tortal family on this certificate deal . It can be settled in many ways . Rommel Tortal a Philippiune Resident Instructor claims the righful Tortals System and he is Nene Tortal younger brother son. Rommel Tortal was the stick bagman of Nene Tortal for many years and yet he didn't learn anything from Nene Tortal. Many stories about Nene Tortal but mostly were untrue. Like he claims he taught the Philippine Army , it was not the Philippine Army but students cadets under the ROTC-reserve officers training corps . This alone Nene Tortal claim as Philippine Army , it is a big lie. Rommel Tortal , my second man in the Pekiti-Tirsia kali system has been outstanding instructor for many years. he topped the cllass on water combat scuba and he is now a regular officer and a gentleman. those who may read , please forward it to ligitimate students of FMA. ____________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://ph.mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re:Pekiti-Tirsia and Dekiti-Tirsia To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:26:21 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > (2) Could you please tell us what your place or > position is in relation to the original system? All > we have to go with is the email name and address. I think this is something from Leo that was forwarded along... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 15:45:22 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re:Pekiti-Tirsia and Dekiti-Tirsia To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I would have guessed so. The post would make sense then. Do you know if this is a recent post, or as they say in tagalog, "lumang tugtugin," literally, "old song" meaning an old grudge or old issue being dredged up? so what prompted this post--the Greg Alland posts? Jay de Leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com Ray wrote: > (2) Could you please tell us what your place or > position is in relation to the original system? All > we have to go with is the email name and address. I think this is something from Leo that was forwarded along... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] re:Pekiti-Tirsia and Dekiti-Tirsia To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 18:48:28 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > so what prompted this post--the Greg Alland posts? Mention of P.GA does frequently bring out the worst in people... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest