Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 02:58:35 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #112 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. guru, massguru, tuhon (kevin edwards) 2. VT shooting (howard@one.net) 3. Re: guru, massguru, tuhon (Ray) 4. Help in Florida "Where is Garmoit?? Is this spelling correct?? (chanoaim@bellsouth.net) 5. Guns, Philippines, Teachers (Pananandta@aol.com) 6. RE: Sayoc Kali in Long Beach (Joseph Marana) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: kevin edwards Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:18:53 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] guru, massguru, tuhon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Can anyone tell me the difference between guru,massguru and tuhon. and how can you tell if the title is real or self promotion? I have found in the karate field that most people calling themselves master are usually not. Also any body have any information on massguru greg alland. Thanks Kevin --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:25:07 -0400 (EDT) From: howard@one.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] VT shooting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Makes one wonder what may have happened if one of the “liberal” professor’s had a CCW and the willing to use the weapon how things could have come out different. Howard Wilson Quote from Jorge >Meanwhile, up until then expect the inevitable when comes down to society and >it's problems. Lots of nut cases out there!! Also, as a consequence the >Virginia Tech debacle will serve precedents to university security and safety >laws. For sure a must do asap. >Last, be nice in the future to come out with some kind of "profiling" that can >transcend the human mind pathology, psyche, and heart of people with criminal >tendencies and intentions. My thoughts!! >Jorge Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 3 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] guru, massguru, tuhon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 12:50:27 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Can anyone tell me the difference between guru,massguru and tuhon. Guro/Guru = I like titles Masguro = I love titles Tuhon = Lordy, how I love titles :) > and how can you tell if the title is real or self promotion? Very difficult. > I have found in the karate field that most people calling themselves > master are usually not. Often very true. > Also any body have any information on massguru greg alland. Nothing good to say.. GrandMaster/Sensei/Guro/Datu Ray Terry :) rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: To: Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:58:08 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Help in Florida "Where is Garmoit?? Is this spelling correct?? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Howard - Pleased to make your acquaintance over cyberspace. I'm Guro Glenn Harris and I'm part of the G.A.T. (Garimot Arnis Training) group here in Miami Florida. Garimot is the proper spelling and is pronounced "GA - RAY - MOT"..Your friend is in luck as the system's head Gat Puno Abundio "Garimot" Baet is also based here. Please feel free to go to the website for more information on the Garimot system. www.garimot.com Guro Glenn Harris Garimot Arnis Training System USA > -- __--__-- > > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 22:35:31 -0400 (EDT) > From: howard@one.net > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Help in Florida "Where is Garmoit?? is this spelling correct?? > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Hi everyone, I’ve posted here a time or two and am looking for some help > from our friends down south. For the next month or so !! I am helping a > friend relocate from the nice area around Cincinnati, OH to the big, bad, > area of Miami Florida. Not that it all is sooooooo bad just what us > NORTHRTRERS have heard about the place. My background is in TKD, Ok, Ok, > Ok ATA TKD!!!. Please leave H.U. LEE out of any bad discussions about the > ATA and we can have any open discussion about things. I’m a 44 year old > 4th degree Certified Instructor with the ATA that has been out of the MA’s > for over 5 years and needs my AASSSS kicked to get back into shape. Is > there someone around the Tampa, Florida area that can help me out that is > not a large person with a last name that starts with the letter H!!! we > will leave it at that. Michael T. is the first person that comes to mind, > but, Ray do you know of any of our brothers on the DD that could help, the > FMA’s would be a nice new beginning.. > Many Thanks, May see you soon, > Howard Wilson --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Pananandta@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 16:22:45 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Guns, Philippines, Teachers Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, I taught chemical engineering at Adamson University in Manila from 1963 to 1973. My teaching from 1963 to September 1972 was uneventful, politics wise - until martial law was imposed on the country. From September 1972 on there was a lot of student unrest in the universities in and around Manila. I had two co-teachers at Adamson who carried .45s in their briefcases. I had two friends who were teaching at another university in Manila who had magnums. While their guns were always concealed, they became common knowledge in their respective universities and perhaps prevented some confrontations with students. But of course very few students can afford to buy guns. In my case, I carried low-tech weapons - a balisong in my shirt pocket and a 20-inch pointer made from anahaw (bahi) which is really designed as a weapon. I had also done aikido demonstrations during the Annual Foundation Celebration at the university and many knew I was also competing in stick fighting tournaments. At one time, the students went on strike and wouldn't let teachers teach. They banged at the walls and tthe teachers had to give up. Nobody came by my room. I had my regular class. For those who want to become teachers, it will do you good to take up the FMA. Of course, one cannot parry a bullet. However, many confrontations - I read in newspapers in classrooms in America - do not involve guns with teachers getting verbally abused and physically assaulted. While the FMA might not be the answer to all self defense situations, it will buy you time until help arrives. Amante P. Marinas Sr. In a message dated 4/21/2007 11:56:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Hi; As a citizen of the Philippines, living here all my life in the urban jungle called Metro Manila, I couldn't help but react to this statement. Not everyone you meet on the street carries knives all the time on them. The cops hassle you really fierce if they spot you with a knife. That's why there are laws regulating knife length - the authorities are supposed to consider anything over 6 inches to be illegal to carry on your person outside of your residence or place of work, especially if your work requires the use of knives, i.e., at the meat section of the wet market. But just because there's a knife length rule doesn't mean that you're exempt from hassle if the cops find even a shorter knife on you. As for politeness - perhaps that reflects more a cultural norm which emphasizes harmony in public places, and in the urban setting, with strangers. Patience is a virtue - but there are limits. That doesn't mean however that there are no instances of people being upset and going on a shooting or stabbing spree. We do have them, and yes, access to weapons is a key element in these incidents. You have equated an armed society with a polite society - but that is not true everywhere. It's election time (for senators) in our country, and already there have been a number of election related killings, many of which are still under investigation (for whatever good that may do - the killers are never found). Every once in a while, somebody gets shot in an incident involving alcohol and/or an argument. As I write this, there is still a simmering inter village (we call them barangay) conflict in some parts of the country, and firearms and ambushes are part of the equation. In several parts of the country, there is a strong trade in illegally obtained guns, mostly used to settle disputes or intimidate somebody. Gun permits are expensive and so are guns, thus encouraging the situation. Accessibility to guns (or other weapons) doesn't always mean politeness as a result. It may mean the guy you jostled now may be polite at the present but will shoot or stab you later when you're not looking. I'm not speaking here for your culture or society - I simply want to share what I see here in my own. We are polite because that is expected of us - those who violate this rule are dealt with later (in many cases). But from what I've seen, although I mentioned guns above, even carrying knives is no guarantee of politeness. We have a different set of cultural rules, including those involving weapons, that I believe limits the applicability of your phrase. I don't want to give the impression either that this is a wild wild west frontier, as some annoying articles (yes they were about FMA) implied. It's generally peaceful here (but watch your wallet) - and many people don't feel the need to carry weapons all the time, including knives. About the only ones I know who carry them (knives and sticks) around most of the time - are martial artists, especially FMAers. Even then if you meet a guy on the street carrying a stick, chances are he doesn't know FMA and its an anti-dog amulet ;-) Bot ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 15:47:34 -0700 From: "Joseph Marana" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Sayoc Kali in Long Beach To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I apologize! Date is Saturday, May 5. Thanks Jay. Joe -----Original Message----- From: jay de leon [mailto:jakkdawg@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 8:08 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sayoc Kali in Long Beach any date(s) set yet? Joseph Marana wrote: Hi everyone, I just wanted to announce that Tuhon Chris Sayoc, head of Sayoc Kali and Sayoc Fighting Systems will be giving a seminar in Long Beach, CA. Tuhon Sayoc will be accompanied by Tuhon Rafael Kayanan, Tuhon Tom Kier, Tuhon Ray Dionaldo, Tuhon Felix Cortes and the Atienza brothers. The seminar will be hosted by Integrated Martial Arts and will go from 11am to 5pm. Cost is $75. This is a rare opportunity to train with Tuhon Sayoc on the West Coast. Please feel free to contact Guro Travis Downing at Integrated Martial Arts: Integrated Martial Arts/CrossFit Long Beach 562-492-6951 www.intmartialarts.com For more information regarding Sayoc Kali or Sayoc Fighting Systems please go to www.sayoc.com. 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