Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:58:31 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #115 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. EU/UK Weapons Law (Ollie Batts) 2. RE: guru, massguru, tuhon (james jr. sy) 3. Firearms (Gilmour, Julian) 4. WHY FMA? (Gilmour, Julian) 5. RE: guru, massguru, tuhon (Daniel Arola) 6. Yet another knife attack in London ;o) (Ollie Batts) 7. Guns (Michael Koblic) 8. Re: Firearms (Pierre Honeyman) 9. Alternative Weapons (Eskrima-FMA) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 11:39:11 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] EU/UK Weapons Law Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anything that could be construed as being designed or modified to be used as a potentially offensive weapon may not be legally carried on UK streets. It is also against the law to take a blade of any description onto school land or into school premises over here. Even a non-locking pocket knife. Following a spate of reported stabbings in this country (it's debatable if there have actually been an increase in knife crime, or simply an increase in media attention, fuelled no doubt by certain people in our society) the politicians simply wanted to be seen to be doing something about knife crime (by ordinary and gullible people). There have been various extra laws brought in over the years, and so-called knife amnesties. After one amnesty there was even a picture of a Copper holding a huge 'Klingon' weapon with a caption saying something like 'Police pleased to have this and other blades off the streets'! The BBC and a lot of newspapers are no more than puppets for the politicians too. The British government (whatever party) has always responded to any crisis situations in our society with knee-jerk reactions. After Hungerford and Dunblane shootings, they caved in to a vociferous minority of people who had formed pressure groups to get handguns banned. So they took them away from people such as me, and now there is far more gun crime than ever before. Some of that is due to cheap weapons coming in from Eastern Europe, since the break up of the old Soviet Union. These are easily accessed by those of criminal intent. Which means that the only two groups of people to have guns (handguns) in our society are criminals and the police. And you can't even be sure that you won't be gunned down by them either! Ordinary citizens in the UK were of course never allowed to carry guns for self-defence anyway. Handguns could be owned by people who had undergone strict vetting, no serious criminal record, etc., etc., for the purpose of sporting/target shooting on approved ranges. Shotguns (and some rifles) can still be owned, but again only for sporting use, or for vermin control on approved land. Strict laws apply. Never mind guns. I bet if cars had been invented only recently they wouldn't trust ordinary people in our society to drive - of that I am convinced. They are, however, currently doing their best to take away that right from as many motorists as they can with the use of extortionate fuel taxes, punitive speeding laws, road-pricing schemes, etc. In America, drivers are also allowed to use their discretion, experience and common-sense, to turn right on a red light. We drive on the left over here, but they don't trust us to turn left on a red light, even when we can see that it's perfectly safe to do so. It's getting to the point where ordinary people soon won't be trusted to wipe their own arses! We no longer live in a democratic free society anymore. We live under a dictatorship called the British Government, which itself is presided over and controlled by the EU. Currently the Scots wants devolution, although I'm not sure why. It's their people whose votes keep the Labour party in power throughout the UK anyway. And it's also true to say that it's mainly Scottish senior politicians who head the government in Westminster anyway. Pugil Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:26:21 -0700 (PDT) From: RJ Garcia Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FMA thoughts on Tactical situations To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Let me just say, this is sort of sad. People escorted out of a campus for performing a demo there in the US? Swords going to be banned in the UK (I heard you had "knife amnesties" there in the UK)? Are people really becoming that paranoid over there? When my group did an FMA demo at an event of the Humanities Department of my college, they even requested me to use a live bolo in my sayaw. And as for some sort of martial training for all students, it might not instantly turn everyone into heroes, but if it did have a positive effect on even just one or two people, won't that make it worth it? It would probably be better than the ceaseless marching under the sun that the current Citizen's Military Training/ ROTC programs most of our schools have here in the Philippines. Is CMT/ROTC required for all students there in the US? How about in the UK? Also, the thing I find disturbing about the school shootings there in the US is that they are RANDOM shootings. As what people have said here, people do get shot and stabbed here in the Philippines, but most if not all of them are born out of personal vendettas or escalated drunken scuffles and such. The most random crime here, as far as I know, would be armed mugging/robbery, where the weapon is mostly used to intimidate. Gumagalang, rj garcia kamao.org --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 04:26:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] guru, massguru, tuhon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Agree with that, Guro is teacher and is applicable to both male and female genders. The term is not specific to martial arts. Guro is also used for academic teachers here in the Philippines. Although I've come across a Gura in the net which is supposedly for a female teacher. People who had read of it in the Philippines, me included, just laughed. There's no such thing as a gura in the Filipino language. The Tagalog word mas indeed expresses degree of, as in mas gwapo (more handsome). It's more for a comparison of two things. However it would be grammatically inappropriate in Filipino to use mas with guro when used as a title. Mas guro, literally then would be "more teacher." But then Myron's guess is by far the nearest possible, if there is indeed something called massaguru. In the Philippines, there's no massaguru. Guru is different from Guro. Guru I believe is Sanskrit and refers to somebody who is enlightened or someone knowledgeable or with wisdom. Not just sure. I believe that guro and guru became interchangeable when they arrived in the US, especially with martial artists who practice FMA with other arts like Indoensian Silat. Just a theory. Tujon. Here, in Negros Occidental as well as in Panay and Cebu (places in the Visayas), there is no such title as Tujon. The only group that uses the title here is Pekiti Tirsia. JAMES "Wieneke, Myron" wrote: Literal translation Guro - teacher Masguro - this is a weird one, don't believe it's a real work, looks like some sort of weird conjungation. Anyway, when you put mas in front of an adjective, you increase the level of what its describing (ie superlative adjective). Example, marunong (smart or knowledgeable), masmarunong (smarter or more knowledgeable), pinakamarunong (smartest or most knowledgeable). I'm guessing it some sort of extension of this to describe a better teacher. Tuhon - not really sure, outside of FMA, I vaguely remember hearing it before but can't put my finger on the exact meaning. Regards, Myron -----Original Message----- From: rterry@idiom.com [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:50 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] guru, massguru, tuhon > Can anyone tell me the difference between guru,massguru and tuhon. Guro/Guru = I like titles Masguro = I love titles Tuhon = Lordy, how I love titles :) > and how can you tell if the title is real or self promotion? Very difficult. > I have found in the karate field that most people calling themselves > master are usually not. Often very true. > Also any body have any information on massguru greg alland. Nothing good to say.. 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Autos. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 14:20:49 +0100 From: "Gilmour, Julian" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Firearms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all It appears to me that some countries have very high levels of legal gun ownership and usage, and yet still suffer from high rates of violent crime. Some countries have very high levels of legal gun ownership and usage, and yet have very low rates of violent crime. There are also examples of countries with very low rates of legal gun ownership and usage and yet still suffer from high rates of violent crime. There are many examples of countries with very low rates of legal gun ownership and usage, that have almost no violent crime. Violent crime is an immensely complicated issue and it seems from the points above that it is likely to be influenced by a great many educational and socio-economic issues rather than simply 'got a gun' or 'not got a gun'. Any chance we can try and keep to sticks and knives and empty hand? 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This email has originated from the Financial Ombudsman Service Ltd. South Quay Plaza, 183 Marsh Wall, London E14 9SR, United Kingdom. Registered as a limited company in England and Wales No. 3725015. Registered office as above. ****************************** --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:49:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: RE: [Eskrima] guru, massguru, tuhon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net What in the hell is this crap? "mas-guru"? Which seems to me, is a load of garbage made up by someone who's been doing too much acid in the 70s. That's what I think. I'm an instructor in FMA, but I (as a personal preference) don't even bother with using a title to place before my first name. I enjoy relating and connecting with who I train with and teach to the point where I just simply tell them.... "Just call me Daniel" "james jr. sy" wrote: Agree with that, Guro is teacher and is applicable to both male and female genders. The term is not specific to martial arts. Guro is also used for academic teachers here in the Philippines. Although I've come across a Gura in the net which is supposedly for a female teacher. People who had read of it in the Philippines, me included, just laughed. There's no such thing as a gura in the Filipino language. The Tagalog word mas indeed expresses degree of, as in mas gwapo (more handsome). It's more for a comparison of two things. However it would be grammatically inappropriate in Filipino to use mas with guro when used as a title. Mas guro, literally then would be "more teacher." But then Myron's guess is by far the nearest possible, if there is indeed something called massaguru. In the Philippines, there's no massaguru. Guru is different from Guro. Guru I believe is Sanskrit and refers to somebody who is enlightened or someone knowledgeable or with wisdom. Not just sure. I believe that guro and guru became interchangeable when they arrived in the US, especially with martial artists who practice FMA with other arts like Indoensian Silat. Just a theory. Tujon. Here, in Negros Occidental as well as in Panay and Cebu (places in the Visayas), there is no such title as Tujon. The only group that uses the title here is Pekiti Tirsia. JAMES "Wieneke, Myron" wrote: Literal translation Guro - teacher Masguro - this is a weird one, don't believe it's a real work, looks like some sort of weird conjungation. Anyway, when you put mas in front of an adjective, you increase the level of what its describing (ie superlative adjective). Example, marunong (smart or knowledgeable), masmarunong (smarter or more knowledgeable), pinakamarunong (smartest or most knowledgeable). I'm guessing it some sort of extension of this to describe a better teacher. Tuhon - not really sure, outside of FMA, I vaguely remember hearing it before but can't put my finger on the exact meaning. Regards, Myron -----Original Message----- From: rterry@idiom.com [mailto:rterry@idiom.com] Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2007 3:50 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] guru, massguru, tuhon > Can anyone tell me the difference between guru,massguru and tuhon. Guro/Guru = I like titles Masguro = I love titles Tuhon = Lordy, how I love titles :) > and how can you tell if the title is real or self promotion? Very difficult. > I have found in the karate field that most people calling themselves > master are usually not. Often very true. > Also any body have any information on massguru greg alland. Nothing good to say.. GrandMaster/Sensei/Guro/Datu Ray Terry :) rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ============================================================================== Please access the attached hyperlink for an important electronic communications disclaimer: http://www.credit-suisse.com/legal/en/disclaimer_email_ib.html ============================================================================== _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net DAMAG-INC [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] http://www.damag-inc.zoomshare.com Houston, Texas --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:23:50 +0100 From: Ollie Batts To: Subject: [Eskrima] Yet another knife attack in London ;o) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Police were called to Zizzi, in the Strand, London, on Sunday after reports of a man in possession of a knife. "Sales rep Stuart McMahon, who was eating at the restaurant with his girlfriend, told the Sun newspaper: "This guy came running in then charged into the kitchen, got a massive knife and started waving it about. "He jumped on a table and popped his penis out. [Wait for this bit...] Then he cut it off. I couldn't believe it." "Scotland Yard said the man, aged between 30-40, was taken to a London hospital where his condition was today described as stable." Bit of a 'Dick' if you ask me! ;o) Pugil --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Michael Koblic" To: "Eskrima digest" Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:53:12 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Guns Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Ah yes, one of Dr. Kellermann's statistic skewing specials. Short response is that study only went looking for one answer--difference in gun laws--and failed to control for other factors. A succinct critique can be found here: http://teapot.usask.ca/cdn-firearms/Suter/med-lit/seattle.html With a more complete examination here: http://www.davekopel.com/2A/Mags/The-Failure-of-Canadian-Gun-Control.htm" Many thanks for the links which provide an interesting perspective. It is fair to point out that the second article contains many inaccuracies in particular where acquisition of restricted weapons is concerned. It is also out of date with regards to the applicable laws. Michael Koblic, Campbell River, BC --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Firearms From: Pierre Honeyman To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 18:59:12 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 14:20 +0100, Gilmour, Julian wrote: > Violent crime is an immensely complicated issue and it seems from the > points above that it is likely to be influenced by a great many > educational and socio-economic issues rather than simply 'got a gun' or > 'not got a gun'. What gives a government the right to prohibit possession of personal property with no data to justify the prohibition enacted? Pierre --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:07:08 -0700 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Alternative Weapons Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Alternative Weapons policeone.com By Ralph Mroz There are times when you either choose not to, or can't carry a firearm while off-duty. In theory, the recently-enacted federal Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) allows active and retired police officers to carry handguns nationwide. Certainly this law, coupled with the fact that most officers don't mind other officers being armed in their jurisdiction, will get you a long way. However, there are still some wrinkles being worked out in the implementation of the law, particularly in regard to retired officers. And, there are some jurisdictions where the political atmosphere and the attitude of the politically-appointed police brass make it more likely that you'll get an unfriendly reception to being armed. Of course, there are places where you can't be legally armed: airports, etc. And, there are times in which you may simply choose not to be armed. Most of us don't strap on our gun to run to the grocery store. There are several weapons that you can easily carry. Let's review a few and touch on some things to avoid. Empty hands Yes, good old basic empty-hand skills. These can get you a long way, and the fact is you should have them already! You need them for three reasons. First, in many bad situations where you'd like to access a higher level weapon, (your OC, Taser, baton or gun) you simply won't have time due to the spontaneous nature of the attack. You will thus be forced to deal with the attack with empty hands either entirely, or initially to gain time to access your weapon. Second, empty-hand skills—power generation, balance, movement, flow etc—are the basis of higher-level weapon skills. The coordination and balance you develop with empty-hand skills help you move better when you have to shoot, or use any other weapon. Firearms instructors often notice that martial artists pick up gun skills more quickly than people with no empty-hands background. Third, let's not forget that most of the time we have to mix it up with subjects, we do so "hands-on". We use our empty hand skills a lot already on the job. You don't need to be a black-belt or invest years of study to acquire effective empty-hand skills. The street-realistic, reality-based combat systems that have sprung up go by the generic name of combatives, and many of these systems are very good indeed. Chances are there's a school near you where you can learn a lot in a short time. High-intensity light Yeah, your flashlight! Surefire, Blackhawk, Pentagonlight, Pelican and others make a wide variety of small high-intensity lights. You most likely already have one…or several. You should always carry one with you while on duty, and one with you whenever you are out after dark off-duty. These 60+ lumen lights are force multipliers for any other weapon you have—fighting someone who's blinded by them is a lot easier. And while they aren't really force tools in and of themselves, they can act a lot like one. Flashing their light in an attacker's eyes can provide you precious seconds to escape, access a weapon or initiate a surprise counterattack. OC In some instances you may be able to carry pepper spray when you can't carry a gun. Small canisters of it can easily be carried even if you are only wearing swim trunks. Cane/Walking Stick You are superbly armed with nothing more than a simple stick if you know how to use it. If you have ever seen the martial arts of Arnis, Escrima or Kali, you may have come to the same conclusion. These exquisite Filipino arts are stick-based and they turn a simple stick into a blazing blur of deadly (or non-deadly) weaponry. Check out your local area, for a school teaching these arts. While the Filipino stick arts favor a light, medium-length stick, some Western based stick systems favor a heavy, longer stick. In addition to their excellent line of edged weapons, Cold Steel (www.coldsteel.com) puts out a series of fighting canes and walking sticks, and a set of instructional videos for their use. You may run across cane-fighting systems based on a cane with a larger crook. I'm not convinced about these, however, as the systems I've seen are fairly elaborate and rely too much on snagging your assailant with the crook—something that seems far easier in the training hall than on the street. A knife Most of us carry a folding knife. A pocket- or waistband-clipped folder with a 3- to 4-inch rapidly opening blade is a formidable weapon, as most of us know from the classic police training film, Surviving Edged Weapons. If you want to know how to use it defensively, I recommend four easy methods. First, remember those Filipino stick schools I mentioned above? Well, in the Filipino arts, the stick is the tool used by beginners, but it really represents a machete or a knife. So these schools not only provide you with stick training, but knife training as well. Second, the Police Officers Safety Association offers a basic tutorial on knife skills for law enforcement to any verified police officer. Just go to the website (www.posai.org) which will verify your law enforcement status with PoliceOne.com, and you can download the entire 90-minute video program for free. Third, Cold Steel also has excellent knife training tapes. Fourth, Paladin Press (www.paladin-press.com) has quite a selection of good knife combatives video programs.Stick with a basic, ordinary, one-handed opening knife. Avoid odd or unusually shaped knifes. Also, avoid switchblades because many states outlaw them, federal law restricts them, and they really aren't a lot faster to open than you can learn to accomplish with a regular one-handed opening folder. The Taser C2 Taser International has just introduced a new citizen Taser that is not shaped like a pistol. It is meant to be a one-time use device for citizen self-defense, as opposed to the Tasers carried on duty. It fires a 15-foot cartridge with a 50 (yes — 50!) second duty cycle. It is meant to be fired, dropped and to provide you with a 50-second window of escape. The Taser C2 is legal in a lot of states and it has an attractive $300 price tag. What not to carry There's a ton of information and misinformation about self-defense weapons. In making your choice, remember that any alternate weapon you carry for defense has to meet three criteria. It must be easy to carry and simple to deploy; it must be effective and it must be legal. Items like Kubutons can certainly be used to great effect by experts, but they will just get in the way for most people. Things like sap hats (yes, you can buy a hat with a sewn-in lead weight) or caustic aerosol sprays may seem cool, but they can land you in trouble after the fact. Martial arts weapons like nunchuckos or brass knuckles are illegal in many places. A word about pens—ordinary writing pens. We all know that these simple items can be turned into deadly weapons if need be. There are now some talented people selling special all-steel or all-titanium pens to be so used. Two comments: 1) any sturdy pen will probably serve as in improvised emergency self-defense weapon, and 2) don't rely on a pen or any improvised weapon to save the day—it's real purpose is as a force multiplier. Without empty-hand skill, its value is close to zero. Self-defense is a system, not a technique. You need basic empty-hand skills as a foundation. Don't believe that your weapon—whatever it is—will save the day. Don't forget that self-defense is fighting, and you need to be able to fight. Sandals and loose shoes will land you on your butt rapidly in a fight, so wear lace-up shoes whenever you are out. Don't attract trouble by wearing anything flashy or expensive—blend into your environment. And don't wear anything that identifies you as a cop, including those popular tactical pants and shirts. Not only do you lose the element of surprise should you be attacked, you are sending an invitation to be singled out in situations such as a robbery or hostage-taking. Last, carry your badge and ID with you, but not in your wallet! If you carry it there, it can be seen whenever you pay for something. Worse, if your wallet is taken during a robbery or hijacking, you have just identified yourself as someone who ought to be "put out of the way." Carry your badge and ID in a separate badge wallet in an out-of-the-way pocket. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest