Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:58:30 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #120 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. filipino martial arts museum (iPat) 2. Re: guru, massguru, tuhon (iPat) 3. Re: Truth (Daniel Arola) 4. Re: Firearms (Nick Hughes) 5. Re: Firearms (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:03:47 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] filipino martial arts museum Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I saw Jay's signature and will spend some time looking at the www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com. But has anyone experienced the Stockton museum? Id like to hear about it after listening to Tony Somera recently -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:05:47 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] guru, massguru, tuhon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net which is the FMA isnt it? Arnis wasnt arnis before the spanish got there was it? On 4/26/07, james jr. sy wrote: > If that is indeed the origin of the word, then we can say that the title tujon is not a term indigenous to the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) but a product of the continued evolution and mixing of languages. > > jay de leon wrote: I remember reading somewhere that Tuhon is a derivative of the word tuan, > a Malayan or Indonesia word which is term of respect meaning sir or mister, -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:16:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Truth To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Certain sets of words(even if in the guise of trash-talking) just had to be typed in order to induce some of the more appropriate responses in order to bring more elaboration (from other credible sources) concerning certain topics in question. A wise fisherman that knows what to fish for, also knows what kind of bait to put on the hook for a decent catch. Rock on with your stick on.... Daniel Arola jay de leon wrote: Hopefully, it should not be hard to distinguish between an academic discourse, a wise crack and trash talking. When in doubt, remember what yo mama told you, "Keep a civil tongue about your head." It is interesting to note that several subsequent posts (John Chow, etc.) point out the distinct relationship between the titles in question and the culture of respect in Asia. Jay de Leon www.tipunan.com Ray wrote: > ... Now we are being just a > bunch of bad-mouth Eskrimador, let see it in your skill not how pretty > you can "Trash" someone title. An obvious given. But also recognize a lighthearted response. If one insists in taking it wrong, then we circle back to the given. 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Autos. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 23:16:51 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Nick Hughes Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Firearms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 15:14 4/26/2007, you wrote: >Ive also made the point that just because >someone has done a course and owns a firearm and has the 'right' >intentions, doesn't necessarily make everything safer, its far too >complex than that. > >..Exactly.. > they say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. >This same point can be true of Martial Artist. >We train our bodies to become " weapons', that can be used >instinctually to survive. >so when a conflictt arises , we hope that our 'training' will kick in'. >But my question to all of us martial artist is ' how many times have >you been enraged about something or someone, and the first thing to >come into your mind is what you could do a person? Professional >Boxers have to register their hands as 'lethal weapons'. ... Uhm, No, they don't!!! >I don't know if this is still true or just popular myth but >conceptually it makes sense. Just because our hands can become >weapons, it doesnt give us the right to misuse them. > >Many master/ teachers and students who read this forum are quite >adept/ deadly with a blade. They know exactly where and how to cut >to cause the most blood loss and injury the fastest way possible. >Most gun owners dont have that same control over their firearms, >some do but some don't. What are you basing that on? >So my point is that most of us here have been training for years.. >to become ' living weapons' >Its not about the weapons.. Its about the society we live in , and >the problem solving skills we teach our children. >Conflict Resolution!!!!!!! >"THE PROBLEM SOLVING SKILLS WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN!!!!!.. is what we >must be talking about..!!!!!! >All these disscussions about the law, we have yet to take >responsiblity for the law we live by in our homes. >Violence is taught, and learned...I believe this. Violence is not always taught and learned, despite what you believe. Jeffrey Dahmer had a younger brother who was brought up in the same house by the same parents. Jeffrey turned out to be an evil deviate son of a bitch, his brother is quite normal. Are you suggesting they taught Jeffrey to be violent but not his younger brother? >The Terminator is the Gov of one the biggest voting states in the >US, and here in Florida Charles Bronson,( the actor that made being >a Vigilante popular on film , in 3 DEATH WISH movies...) is the >commissioner of Concealed Weapons or Firearms Licenses. Er Charles Bronson the actor died in August of 2003 in Los Angeles...not sure how Florida has a dead actor as their commissioner. You're no doubt thinking of Charles H. Bronson who is not an actor and did not star in Death Wish >Charleston Heston is one of the lead proponents of the NRA...the list goes on. >and last but least the character of Al Pacino's Scarface has become >a cultural icon, atleast here in MIAMI, and he kills almost >everybody before he meets his demise....These are the images we look >to as heroic. >Statistics show that here in the states we become desensitized to >killings and murders largely due to the television and film industry >at a very young age. > >...Its about the individual's ability to control him/herself. > 'Cries from children that go unheard, can become the shots that > are heard around the world!!! >RIP to all the victims of VT and all the victims of mass killings >that have become a sad part of our American History. > > > >On Thursday, April 26, 2007, at 09:00AM, "iPat" wrote: > >fair point, but it doesnt retract from the point. of course it about > >those who want to, but the recent incident as we all know was with a > >law abiding citizen (in the eyes of the legislation when he acquired > >the weapons). > >Will i join that concept that all law abiding citizens be armed around > >the world? No i wont, especially as you cant role model one countries > >values on another. Should those under a Poll Pot have my support to be > >armed, no. Should i encourage the Norwegians to have gun rights, no > >its their issue (or non issue). Theres enough bs here in my neck of > >the woods to deal with. > >Ive not said here - you musnt have guns - i responded to a point where > >someone said that governments shouldn't legislate and pointed out the > >absurdity of that position. Ive also made the point that just because > >someone has done a course and owns a firearm and has the 'right' > >intentions, doesnt necessarily make everything safer, its far too > >complex than that. > > > >On 4/26/07, Ray wrote: > >> Sorry, but that did not, and does not, imply in any way that > everyone should > >> be armed. One simple counterexample... those that do not wish to be armed > >> should not be armed. > >> > >> Should law abiding citizens around the world have the right to > be armed (very > >> very different from everyone being armed)? Yes, of course. Of that there > >> is little doubt. > >> > >-- > >Pat Davies > >www.amag.org.uk > >_______________________________________________ > >Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > >Standard disclaimers apply > >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net >_______________________________________________ >Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members >Eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource >Standard disclaimers apply >Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 4/25/2007 12:19 Sweat Dries, Blood Clots, Bones Heal, Train Therefore, Like Maniacs. Nick Hughes Chief Instructor F.I.S.T. Fight Survival Training No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.6.1/776 - Release Date: 4/25/2007 12:19 --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Firearms To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 20:57:17 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>... Professional >>Boxers have to register their hands as 'lethal weapons'. ... > > Uhm, No, they don't!!! Right. Tons of funny stories, esp from back in the 1960s and 70s, about black belts going into police stations to register their feet as deadly weapons. Lots of big laughs for the LEOs... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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