Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 02:58:36 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #137 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: The Indian Connection (bgdebuque) 2. Re: The Indian Connection (bgdebuque) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 02:32:57 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The Indian Connection Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Most historical accounts I have seen place the extreme boundaries of these empires in the vicinity of the Visayan Islands. Inasmuch as the center of power in pre-Hispanic Philippines is in the South, it can be fairly assumed that during the heydays of these Buddhist and Hindu empires, they have effective control over the area. The reason why Buddhist and Hindu traditions are already hard to trace in current Philippine culture can be summed up in 2 words - Islam and Catholicism. Even in Java and Sumatra, which used to be the centers of these empires, only minor traces of Buddhist and Hindu traditions can be found in the current day-to-day life of their inhabitants due to the predominance of Islamic culture. How much more in the case of the Philippines which has been subjected to, not only 1 but 2, of the most powerful assimiliationist cultural forces the modern world has ever seen? *Is it indeed a historical fact that Buddhism and Hinduism at one time enjoyed wide acceptance in the Philippines? Or more that Buddhist and Hindi rulers considered the islands as part of their broader empire? * --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 6 May 2007 02:59:08 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The Indian Connection Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Like Indonesia and Malaysia, before Islamic Philippines became "Islamic", they were supposed to have been Buddhist and then Hindu. Try to do some readings on the Sriwijaya and Madjapahit Empires and you will be able to see the connection. The physical remnants of these empires can still be found in the Borobodur and Prambanan temples near Jogjakarta in Central Java. Bali Island near the tip of East Java, on the other hand, have remained loyal to Hinduism until now. I have never ever heard of even a hint of this so "connection" throughout my > education in the Philippines, nor in any reading or even stories or > references. We've always been taught that before christianity and islam > came into the Philippines, animalism and worship of anscestors and nature > was the religion of our forefathers. Even today you see these beliefs > intermixed with catholicism. Buddhism's influence came in through the > chinese communities but never propagated out in any significant way, > probably due to the close community and strick prohibitions of intermarriage > in the chinese culture. There is a fair size community of indians in the > Philippines, but they also tend to keep to themselves (and unfortunately > discriminated on as well). --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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