Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 02:58:50 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #143 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Re: The Indian Connection (Young Forest) 2. Seeing Double (Al Sardinas) 3. Re: Research on Ban on Kali (bgdebuque) 4. filipino martial arts? (Jesus Suarez) 5. Re: The Indian Connection (bgdebuque) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Young Forest" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 15:18:24 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Re: The Indian Connection Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >It is true that China already had its own martial arts even before Shaolin >Kung Fu came about (kuntao seems to be one of them). I have yet to find a >present-day major Chinese Martial Arts School, however, which does not >trace >its lineage to Shaolin Kung Fu (Pek Sil Lum, Hung Gar, Wing Chun, Southern >White Crane, etc, all have Shaolin monks in their lineage - maybe even Tai >Chi Chuan, but I have to check on that first). I wouldn't put too much weight onto that plank. Tracing your lineage back to Shaolin was, frankly, good for business - make a few claims, add an 18 Hands form to the curriculum, and you're set. To the Confucian frame of thought, a profession that didn't have a patron or founder wasn't considered to be a respectable part of society, which is where Bodhidharma comes in. What was once an accepted part of doing business (essentially, padding one's resume), has now become what passes for a historical record in the CMA. Badger Jones Siling Labuyo Arnis www.youngforest.ca _________________________________________________________________ Fight Allergies With Live Search http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Remedies+For+Spring+Allergies&mkt=en-ca&FORM=SERNEP --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 21:42:41 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Seeing Double Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On the cover of the July 2007 editions of Inside Kung Fu and Black Belt Magazine is Sifu/GM Richard Bustillo performing the same technique on one of his students. I think this is a first for a FMArtist. Although BB magazine says exclusive interview, IKF's article is also an interview. For the record, IKF was received first. Congratulations to Sifu/GM Bustillo for the double exposure. Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of the Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 22:30:06 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Research on Ban on Kali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Another possible alternative would be to contact the historian Ambeth Ocampo. He seems to be the current expert on Philippine historical oddities. Since he used to write historical columns for the Philippine Daily Enquirer, they must have published somewhere his publicly-available e-mail address. > > The best place for research could be in Spain - which only means that you > should speak Spanish, have the money, have the time, and have a Spanish > amigo to > guide you around. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Jesus Suarez" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 03:03:58 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] filipino martial arts? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hello . for most of FMA reserchs for the roots of kali ,arnis or eskrima is very hard especially ,because most of the filipinas was not conquered by España . because most of the documents related to( la conquista de las filipinas) are not in Spain neither in filipinas believed or not most of the documents of Fray Juan de urdaneta y Don Miguel de legaspi are in Mexico and of course in Spanish. thanks . _________________________________________________________________ Catch suspicious messages before you open them—with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_protection_0507 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 23:28:12 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The Indian Connection Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The readily-visible legacy of the SriWijaya/SriVishayan Empire would be the name "Visayas". In fact, it may be the only visible legacy left, as far as place names are concerned. I cannot recall encountering any place named "Visayas" in Sumatra or Java itself. "Wijaya", however, is a favorite Indonesianized family name among the Indonesian Chinese (who are mostly Buddhists). Madjapahit's would a little bit harder to find because, as I remember it, the farthest the empire was able to control were the areas in Mindanao which were subsequently Islamized. The pillars of the Empire like Gajah Mada and Hayam Wuruk, however, are still much glorified in modern Indonesian Society. As to "Oracions", Indonesians, Malaysians and our Muslim Brothers in the South also have them but in "Islamized" form. As such, there is a lot of sprinkling of Arabic words (instead of Latin). The religious culture of Non-Muslim Pre-Hispanic Lowland Filipinos are often described as Animistic Paganism. The truth of the matter, however, is that we will never know because there was a systematic eradication of any physical manifestation of their religious beliefs. It was so systematic that I cannot recall ever seeing any Pre-Hispanic Non-Christian Religious Artifact from any of the Chritianized lowland areas of the Philippines. The "Anitos" and other animistic idols we often see really came from the highland minority tribes of the Philippines which have only been marginally-Christianized. As such, when we say that Pre-Hispanic Filipinos have "Pagan" beliefs, it is possible that these beliefs do not only involve Animistic but Hindu and Buddhist beliefs as well. After all, in the eyes of Christianity, Hinduism and Buddhism are also "Pagan" religions. Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 01:07:03 -0700 (PDT) > From: "james jr. sy" < james_sy_jr74@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The Indian Connection > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > No matter if Islam and Catholicism had taken over modern Philippines, it > goes without saying that if Hinduism and Buddhism indeed dominated ancient > Philippines, then there would be traces and thus, evidences of them being > so. The question is what are these proofs to such an assertion? > > As a concrete example, let's take the oracion of FMA. These chants are > mostly Christian prayers mixed from different languages among them > Latin. Although it is based on Christian prayers, the chant itself is a > practice by pagan Filipino even before they were converted to > Christianity. That is assimilation but then you would still see the traces > of the pagan religion. Could the same be said for Hinduism and Buddhism? --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest