Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 03:06:29 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #144 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Felicisimo Dizon / Fred Lazo (Chris Skeie) 2. The Philippine-Mexican connection (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #143 - 5 msgs) (Pananandta@aol.com) 3. Re: The Philippine-Mexican connection (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #143 - 5 msgs) (nephalim1@aim.com) 4. Re: The Philippine-Mexican connection (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #143 - 5 msgs) (nephalim1@aim.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Chris Skeie" To: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 02:09:55 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Felicisimo Dizon / Fred Lazo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Submitted on behalf of Grandmaster Federico T. Lazo The Days with Grandmaster Dizon By Fred Lazo (5-10-07) This article was written with two-fold purpose, to tell more about events that happened when I had the opportunity to study under GM Dizon with the purpose of clarifying the extent of my relationship with him and to straighten things relative to things I have been criticized. In the martial arts world, when criticism is done, it tends to destroy the person criticized and make the critic walk away achieving whatever purpose his criticism is intended to be. Filipinos always say, kalawang ang sumisira sa bakal," meaning, the rust in the metal destroys itself." Criticism is a form of gossip that lowers the dignity of men who involve in it. In many cases, it is a tool of envious women to degrade the person they envy to lower her reputation and dignity. Criticism therefore should be left to women with itchy tongues who do not know better than to stick their nose in somebody else business. I want to make it clear that this article is not written to capitalize in the goodwill of a past master to better myself but to serve researchers who are involved in compiling events in GM Dizon's life. To my critic however, it may be a means again to turn me into a liar. I was shocked to be judged based on demonstrations and videos I have done and be compared to a legend like GM Angel Cabales. I am not a legend, just a humble practitioner of my martial heritage. How did this comparison pop-up from nowhere, done by a person who has nothing better to do than to stain somebody else reputation. I was also shocked how busy my critic was in posting criticism against me. Person with even an average intelligence knows that demonstrations and videos are just bits and pieces of a person's knowledge in whatever martial arts he is involved. Our website that has been started with videos is far from finished and there is a need to put more video clips to show the variety of knowledge in the Filipino martial arts so people would have a bird's eye view of the curriculum we have to offer. The old "gantihan" or "sombrada" that I have learned from GM Dizon is not caught on videos and neither did I show it in any demonstration. My critic accused me of claiming that I have mastered "de cuerdas" or finished the arnis course of "de cuerdas," I have to reword the words of my critic "mastered with him (GM Dizon)" to be better understood. "De cuerdas is a name given to the art of GM Dizon. I never made personally any such claim and my critic should be held responsible for putting this claim in my mouth. I had taken lessons under GM Dizon and has taken me to a point of learning his "gantihan" or sombradas (flowing counter-re-counter.) I cannot say that I am a master of such because that is a life-time endeavor. Neither can I say that I finished the course of "de cuerdas" because GM Dizon did not issue me any certificate of completion. Back in those days, if you ask for a certificate, a teacher will laugh at you because your certificate then was how much skill in the sticks you have developed. I am accused that my movements do not have any similarity with serrada that GM Cabales practiced and looks more like modern arnis and kombatan. It is true that to a large extent, my movements are similar to modern arnis or kombatan but there are movements of "de cuerdas" that I have included in my freestyle flowing like the forehand wing block and back hand wing block as well as sliding of sticks to lessen impact. I have used this many times to save me from being hit when my response to a strike is delayed. The wing blocks of "de cuerdas" are emergency blocks that convert two-count movements into one count. Apparently, the problem why my critic cannot see any "de cuerdas" movements in my freestyle flowing is because his eyes are not fast enough to follow the sequence of Luzviminda flowing. I don't want to judge because it is said not to judge in order not to be judged. However, I have been judged and in this case the person who judged me has given me rightfully by mandate to judge him in return. My critic claims that he taught modern arnis as a P.E. curriculum but he has not shown in any demonstration any knowledge of flowing in modern arnis. Flowing is the closely guarded secret of modern arnis and apparently was not revealed to my critic. However, as I have said, demonstrations are just bits and pieces of one's total knowledge, so I give my critic the benefit of the doubt. Unfortunately, being unable to see "de cuerdas" in my movements erased all doubts. My critic said that he cannot see serrada movements in my movements. True, because I was not a student of GM Angel Cabales and I will not claim to know such. How much similarity and dissimilarity does my critic know between "de cuerdas" and "serrada?" He never saw GM Dizon in action so he practically does not know how "de cuerdas" looked like. If he saw GM cabales in action, without seeing the "de cuerdas" art will not give him a strong basis for comparison. What then does my critic have as a basis of comparison? He has nothing! All he can do is assume. Like they say in this country, to assume makes an ass of "u" and me. He cannot compare "de cuerdas" he never saw against serrada. Neither can he compare "de cuerdas" with my own art, so he compared my art with "serrada" that did not influence me. My critic does not know the sombrada of "de cuerdas," my art's flowing, as well as "serrada sombrada." I doubt if the lack of knowledge of the three gives him the credibility to criticize. I am not criticizing my critic but just answering his criticism. Readers should not get me wrong. My critic is good in harimaw buno for those who love wrestling. He is also good on the rope. If anyone who wants to experience being tied up like a water buffalo, his expertise should be sought. Besides those qualities, he claims also to be undefeated in stick fighting. Anyone who wants to be trained to be undefeated in stick fighting should seek his tutelage. I just feel that discrediting the knowledge I learned from GM Dizon is clearly telling me that they are also discrediting him as my teacher. This critic is trying to take away my freedom to be grateful to my teacher that I owe respect and knowledge that help me to grow and develop in my own martial heritage. Here in the Tampa bay area and Orlando we try to help each other and not criticize and stab each others back. We try to maintain a state of brotherhood, friendship and respect for each other. Ama Guro Raffy Pambuan, Tuhon Ray Dionaldo and other instructors of FCS maintain a camaraderie relationship (pakikipagkapwa tao.) that expresses the inner goodness of everyone's heart. None of these people are burdened by the load of personal ego. Fred Lazo More of this article can be found at http://www.lakb.net/articles.html --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Pananandta@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 08:32:48 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] The Philippine-Mexican connection (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #143 - 5 msgs) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jesus, Good input. I kind of forgot that there was an extensive galleon trade between Mexico and the Philippines. Indeed, for EDers, it is generally believed that quite a few Mexicans settled in Pampangga. There is even a town called Mexico in Pampangga. Thanks. APMarinas Sr. In a message dated 5/11/2007 6:01:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: hello . for most of FMA reserchs for the roots of kali ,arnis or eskrima is very hard especially ,because most of the filipinas was not conquered by Espaņa . because most of the documents related to( la conquista de las filipinas) are not in Spain neither in filipinas believed or not most of the documents of Fray Juan de urdaneta y Don Miguel de legaspi are in Mexico and of course in Spanish. thanks . ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 3 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The Philippine-Mexican connection (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #143 - 5 msgs) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:36:20 -0400 From: nephalim1@aim.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Po, The origin of how Mexico, Pampanga was named as such can be attributed to it's original name. The Spaniards somethimes have a way of renaming places. Take for instance Lusung Guo and is now Luzon. Of course later on names of saints were used. To explain Mexico, pre-spanish times it was called "masicu". Because "macasicu ya keng pampang"(it lies by the riverbend/river's elbow). For our non Kapampangan and Tagalog speakers sicu/siko means elbow in English. The Kapampangans usually named places based on it's geographical features. Here are some samples. Kampampangan English Why Malino Clear Located by a river bank that runs clear Cutcut Buried Soil is sandy thus when walking your feet get buried Balibago A tree Populated by "balibago" trees Masantol A tree Populated by "santol" trees Guagua(orig.wawa) Mouth of the river Located, of course, by the mouth of the river Arayat(orig. dayat) irrigated rice fields rice fields were irrigated by the nearby river by Bunduk Alaya Macabebe By the riverbank no explanation needed Bulacan(orig. Burakan)Mud Named so by the fertile mud surrounding the area. Bulacan is now a province in itself but used to be a Kapampangan territory. Best Regards, Jose -----Original Message----- From: Pananandta@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 8:32 AM Subject: [Eskrima] The Philippine-Mexican connection (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #143 - 5 msgs) Jesus, Good input. I kind of forgot that there was an extensive galleon trade between Mexico and the Philippines. Indeed, for EDers, it is generally believed that quite a few Mexicans settled in Pampangga. There is even a town called Mexico in Pampangga. Thanks. APMarinas Sr. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. --__--__-- Message: 4 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The Philippine-Mexican connection (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #143 - 5 msgs) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 23:34:31 -0400 From: nephalim1@aim.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Some adjustments to my previous post. Here it is again with less confusion, I hope... Convention is as follows. Orig. Pampango name=English=Reason Malino=Clear=Located by a river bank that runs clear Cutcut=Buried=Soil is sandy thus when walking your feet get buried Balibago=A tree= Populated by "balibago" trees Masantol=A tree= Populated by "santol" trees Guagua(orig.wawa)= Mouth of the river= Located, of course, by the mouth of the river Arayat(orig. dayat)= irrigated rice fields= rice fields were irrigated by the nearby river by Bunduk Alaya Macabebe= By the riverbank= no explanation needed Bulacan(orig. Burakan)=Mud=Named so by the fertile mud surrounding the area. Bulacan is now a province in itself but used to be a Kapampangan territory. Best Regards, Jose -----Original Message----- From: Pananandta@aol.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 8:32 AM Subject: [Eskrima] The Philippine-Mexican connection (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #143 - 5 msgs) Jesus, Good input. I kind of forgot that there was an extensive galleon trade between Mexico and the Philippines. Indeed, for EDers, it is generally believed that quite a few Mexicans settled in Pampangga. There is even a town called Mexico in Pampangga. Thanks. APMarinas Sr. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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