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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2400 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. GM Lazo/Comment (GatPuno@aol.com) 2. GM Presas (GatPuno@aol.com) 3. Re: GM Presas (jay de leon) 4. The Spanish Connection (bgdebuque) 5. More for GM Lazo (GatPuno@aol.com) 6. Re: The Philippine-Mexican connection (bgdebuque) 7. Re: More for GM Lazo (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 11:12:43 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] GM Lazo/Comment Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net First of all, I dont criticized how bad GM Lazo in any sense. I am only pointing out what I noticed to what Eskrima/Arnis he demonstrated. I never mentioned any dis-credit him form studied in GM Dizon. I only pointing out the differences of Serrada and his particular style Arnis and his movement. I have no doubt that him is not study under GM Dizon. You are right I dont know GM Dizon, I never see his style my comment only came about the movement of Serrada is different than yours. I dont intent to destroy anyone intgrity, I am only just the rest of us, commenting the differences of the different style, since it was brough up to the plate, therefore it was for us to eat and absorb and discard. Who ever you heard that I am somwhat dis-crediting you for studying under one of the legend GM, you are darn wrong. Many of the member can easily see what I wrote about you and your style. Yourself agree that your movement is more look "Kobatan" if I dont see any diffence in serrada is that is my opinion, you are right again, I dont see the techniques that you add on to the arts since I never been in one of your class, only when you did a demo. But telling us that our way I comment is you are charging me to be a "women an itchy mouth", that dis-grade my personality. If you up for something real, even you are very dear to me as friend, I have never back out to any challenge you want me to take. I am not bowing to no one, even you, I think I am entitle to what is my opinion and that is only opinion. If is not truth why bother to dis=grade someone who just voicing out opinion. Now in regards of the "Modern Arnis" part of me, GM Lazo, I have teach underr the "Banner only of Modern Arnis" we become part of Modern Arnis back in 1974, but we dont study "much" of Modern Arnis, we know the strike, and block, the One to Four Anyo, Single Sinawali and Double Sinawali. I have never said that I study the full "Modern Arnis". Modern Arnis Senior instructor Willy Annang came to our home and train our kids class. Rodel Dagooc came with Boy Tolentino and stay over Maestro Resty Baldemor on 1975, accompanied by wife of Prof. Remy , Rosemarie Presas. I was promoted to Blackbelt in Modern Arnis by Willy Annang himself by sparring few of the student in modern Arnis in Manila. I was invited by Rosemarie Presas to her house in Quezon City. I start teaching PE in ELC on 1979-1985, I was banned for fighting in Laguna Arnis Tournaments and taken my instructor priveledge when I was attack by ten college student want to destroy my refputation in Eastern Laguna Colleges. The fight is though but I ended up breaking limbs of 9 of them, the first one whom attack me is lucky becaused I put him to sleep on the first meet up. I was handcapted by the next day, like I killed someone, I stay in jailed for a week until the hearing. Then court order I am not to teach anymore and enter in any organized tournament of arnis in laguna. That the time, I went to Manila and decide to come here in USA. Now I am not denying I dont really know the"Modern Arnis" at all I have idea an d practiced the basic. Prof. Remy met me on one of the President Marcos B-day I did demonstrate with Maestra Myrna Cadang the Moro-moro COMBAT Dance and Remy was there and congratulate me and my Maestra, he gave me his just published Pink book in Modern Arnis and he told me to study the book and he will give me a black belt. For the first time in my life, I heard term black belt that was 1974. He signed the book and shook my hand. Later on the days, a group of Air Force did a demonstration of Modern Arnis, and I talk to my father, and father said it was a closed range fighting. So I did what Remy want me to do and seek instruction from Willy annang becaused Remy left for the US and never come back home. Prof. Remy and I had a chance to meet here in Florida on 1993, he was so happy and we talk about the past. I think that enough to tell you and I agree with you the I am not a Modern Arnis in anyway Master. Now, this ED is a FMA Forum, someone open a discussion, either you become the center topic, you be thankfull that you are getting popularity, isnsated you should join and voice your opinion personally. Not by the third person e-mailing your opinion. Dont hide to someone else e-mail. We dont let anyone here dis-grace the art what so ever, atleast the way I see it on the most part, we talk and settle about differences of anyobody. Now you dont want to be talk about, its fine that your choices, but weather you like it or not, you promote FMA you took the center stage to be critics and you should be ready for comments, it will not be positive at all. You should be more receptives and understandable. I can feel you took this in the wrong ways, and I will accept the consequesnces. The questioan is are you willing to break me and my reputation. Now I know you are friends with me and other FMA, I never talk about you negatively behind your back, I praises you, I just comment the diferrences, now if you dont like to be compare to some that study to the same instructor. Dont tell people that you study to this Instructor, if you dojt want to be compared to the Serrada GM Cabales, and I am just saying the truth is totally different your movements to each other dont you agree?. One thing I am sure about, I dont dis=respect you in any of my comments, and since you dis=-respect me as saying the I have no better thing to do. I accept all your charges, if that the way you want to hear. I am not affraid to anyone to tell or voice out my opinion not to you or anyone. I will stand to what I beleived, I Know a lots of GM (self claim) that never really fought for real but still quote themselves as autenthic Grandmaster. I know what GM means someone who really knows what his doing, accept the fact that he is not the only "Mastered" of fighting, meaning someone has broad understanding of right or wrong. Now you make me goin, you know who I am I dont care who you are if you start with me I will not back out to you wordswise or something else. I defeated Numerous GM of Arnis/Eskrima called themselves GM and had "Anting-anting" but let me tell you all of them don't proved any Anting-anting when my stick hit their head mutliple times during our matched. Now I am still the same person, I still waiting to somemen will teach me a lesson. I was un-defeated in more that ten town in Laguna yearly Un-padded Tournament, dont you think I care if I dont know Modern Arnis flow, I dont need to know, I stand to what I learned from many GM of Laguna. I am not denying that at all, but to tell me that guarded, who are you a Modern Arnis Grandmaster all of sudden. Give me a break.. In closing, we have old saying, if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen. You should know any better comparing me to the women an itchy mouth. In refer to Kalawang (Rust), I will be "kalawang" to break any "Iron" , I will be "Kalawang" to someone expose themselved in the rained, i will be "kalawang" to someone dip himself in the water that make me easily get them and break. Sometimes, is "kalawang" is good to someone think that thier "Iron" or metal, but the "kalawag" only can break them apart. I will the "kalawang" if your shiny metal, left it exposed for me to get. Even an "Iron metal" "kalawang" can easily it break apart if dont have much protector . Harness your iron so "kalawang can't get to it. You should mentioned your critics names, is it obvious?. Cant wait for your response, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA www.garimot.com > Message: 1 > From: "Chris Skeie" > Subject: [Eskrima] Felicisimo Dizon / Fred Lazo > > Submitted on behalf of Grandmaster Federico T. Lazo > > > > The Days with Grandmaster Dizon > > By Fred Lazo (5-10-07) > > This article was written with two-fold purpose, to tell more about events > that happened when I had the opportunity to study under GM Dizon with the > purpose of clarifying the extent of my relationship with him and to > straighten things relative to things I have been criticized. In the martial > arts world, when criticism is done, it tends to destroy the person > criticized and make the critic walk away achieving whatever purpose his > criticism is intended to be. Filipinos always say, kalawang ang sumisira sa > bakal," meaning, the rust in the metal destroys itself." Criticism is a form > of gossip that lowers the dignity of men who involve in it. In many cases, > it is a tool of envious women to degrade the person they envy to lower her > reputation and dignity. Criticism therefore should be left to women with > itchy tongues who do not know better than to stick their nose in somebody > else business. I want to make it clear that this article is not written to > capitalize in the goodwill of a past master to better myself but to serve > researchers who are involved in compiling events in GM Dizon's life. To my > critic however, it may be a means again to turn me into a liar.  > > I was shocked to be judged based on demonstrations and videos I have done > and be compared to a legend like GM Angel Cabales. I am not a legend, just a > humble practitioner of my martial heritage. How did this comparison pop-up > from nowhere, done by a person who has nothing better to do than to stain > somebody else reputation. I was also shocked how busy my critic was in > posting criticism against me. Person with even an average intelligence knows > that demonstrations and videos are just bits and pieces of a person's > knowledge in whatever martial arts he is involved. Our website that has been > started with videos is far from finished and there is a need to put more > video clips to show the variety of knowledge in the Filipino martial arts so > people would have a bird's eye view of the curriculum we have to offer. The > old "gantihan" or "sombrada" that I have learned from GM Dizon is not caught > on videos and neither did I show it in any demonstration. My critic accused > me of claiming that I have mastered "de cuerdas" or finished the arnis > course of "de cuerdas," I have to reword the words of my critic "mastered > with him (GM Dizon)" to be better understood. "De cuerdas  is  a name given > to the art of GM Dizon. I never made personally any such claim and my critic > should be held responsible for putting this claim in my mouth. I had taken > lessons under GM Dizon and has taken me to a point of learning his > "gantihan" or sombradas (flowing counter-re-counter.) I cannot say that I am > a master of such because that is a life-time endeavor. Neither can I say > that I finished the course of "de cuerdas" because GM Dizon did not issue me > any certificate of completion. Back in those days, if you ask for a > > certificate, a teacher will laugh at you because your certificate then was > how much skill in the sticks you have developed. > > > > I am accused that my movements do not have any similarity with serrada that > GM Cabales practiced and looks more like modern arnis and kombatan. It is > true that to a large extent, my movements are similar to modern arnis or > kombatan but there are movements of "de cuerdas" that I have included in my > freestyle flowing like the forehand wing block and back hand wing block as > well as sliding of sticks to lessen impact. I have used this many times to > save me from being hit when my response to a strike is delayed. The wing > blocks of "de cuerdas" are emergency blocks that convert two-count movements > into one count.  Apparently, the problem why my critic cannot see any "de > cuerdas" movements in my freestyle flowing is because his eyes are not fast > enough to follow the sequence of Luzviminda flowing. I don't want to judge > because it is said not to judge in order not to be judged. However, I have > been judged and in this case the person who judged me has given me > rightfully by mandate to judge him in return. > > My critic claims that he taught modern arnis as a P.E. curriculum but he has > not shown in any demonstration any knowledge of flowing in modern arnis. > Flowing is the closely guarded secret of modern arnis and apparently was not > revealed to my critic. However, as I have said, demonstrations are just bits > and pieces of one's total knowledge, so I give my critic the benefit of the > doubt. Unfortunately, being unable to see "de cuerdas" in my movements > erased all doubts. My critic said that he cannot see serrada movements in my > movements. True, because I was not a student of GM Angel Cabales and I will > not claim to know such. How much similarity and dissimilarity does my critic > know between "de cuerdas" and "serrada?" He never saw GM Dizon in action so > he practically does not know how "de cuerdas" looked like. If he saw GM > cabales in action, without seeing the "de cuerdas" art will not give him a > strong basis for comparison. What then does my critic have as a basis of > comparison? He has nothing! All he can do is assume. Like they say in this > country, to assume makes an ass of "u" and me. He cannot compare "de > cuerdas" he never saw against serrada. Neither can he compare "de cuerdas" > with my own art, so he compared my art with "serrada" that did not influence > me. My critic does not know the sombrada of "de cuerdas," my art's flowing, > as well as "serrada sombrada." I doubt if the lack of knowledge of the three > gives him the credibility to criticize. I am not criticizing my critic but > just answering his criticism. > > > > Readers should not get me wrong. My critic is good in harimaw buno for those > who love wrestling. He is also good on the rope. If anyone who wants to > experience being tied up like a water buffalo, his expertise should be > sought. Besides those qualities, he claims also to be undefeated in stick > fighting. Anyone who wants to be trained to be undefeated in stick fighting > should seek his tutelage. I just feel that discrediting the knowledge I > learned from GM Dizon is clearly telling me that they are also discrediting > him as my teacher. This critic is trying to take away my freedom to be > grateful to my teacher that I owe respect and knowledge that help me to grow > and develop in my own martial heritage.   > > > > Here in the Tampa bay area and Orlando we try to help each other and not > criticize and stab each others back. We try to maintain a state of > brotherhood, friendship and respect for each other. Ama Guro Raffy Pambuan, > Tuhon Ray Dionaldo and other instructors of FCS maintain a camaraderie > relationship (pakikipagkapwa tao.) that expresses the inner goodness of > everyone's heart. None of these people are burdened by the load of personal > ego. > > > > Fred Lazo > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 12:03:06 EDT To: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net, eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] GM Presas Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This bounce e-mail, since I forget to put the heading. sorry for that, I was in hurry that day. Is my bad.. Kapatid Dan, Professor Remy and I had a discussion on that matter on 1993 when he was staying in Maimi Beach Hotel. I asked him personnally what have happen between him and his brother Ernesto. He said he has fall out with him even before leaving Philippines 1970's. It so deep "brotherly anger" that he dont want to talk about it. But on other hand, GM Ernesto Presas, I have the pleasure of hang out with him and his group in Orlando and I feel that the problem is really GM Remy Presas. GM Ernesto seems like he want to reconcile with his brother, this is the time when Remy is already sick. Somtimes we do step on our own hand and it get so nasty athe situation and we want to put it behind and dont talk about it. So I respect both sides. Prof. Remy dont mentioned anything against to his brother, nor GM Ersnesto, on the conversation I can feel both party is istill love each other very much as brother. But you know their is one thing in our culture, that if the older brother get up-set to the youger brother, the younger brother supposed to bow down as respect to his older brother, no matter how wrong his older brother is. I am friends in both sides, both Kombatan groups and Modern Arnis group, from Bram Frank, Shishir Inocalla, including you Kapatid Dan and Kapatid Jay De Leon,  and in Kobatants is Alex France, Alex Ercia and Lito Conception and more I feel the brotherhood in both parties. I would love to pick up a copy. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International From: "Danny Anderson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 01:41:44 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Art of Arnis by Jose Paman Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Art of Arnis by Jose Paman Jose Paman has put forth a pretty good book on Kombatan arnis, the system of Ernesto Presas, and is worth picking up. There is one section in the chapter From Modern Arnis To Kombatan that needs commenting on. Quote:[TABLE NOT SHOWN](paragraph split mine) Sorry to say but paragraph one is incorrect. I know for a fact that from Prof. Remy's point of view, he and Ernesto were very much at odds to the point that when Ernesto had heart trouble, several of Remy's students (Bram Frank and Hock Hockheim come to mind) had to persuade Remy to go visit his brother. I know from conversations with my teacher (Prof. Remy) that he was not close to Ernetso at all. He did not say anything against Roberto. That being said, I agree with the second section of the paragraph. I have met very few Kombatan players but I have gotten along with the ones I do know. Rick Manglinong and Mike Bowers are thetwo that I know and Mike was kind enough to bring Ernesto over to my school to meet me. I visited his seminar the next dy to bring him a gift to show my respect. Anyway, pick up the book. You'll find it to be a good one. Yours, Dan Anderson Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:16:35 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] GM Presas To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kapatid Abon: Everybody knows Modern Arnis including the Presas family is one big dysfunctional family. Even the groups within the Modern Arnis family like the IMAFP of which I am a member is dysfunctional. But the saving grace is any "enmity" that exists is merely "tampung bakulaw" or something like familial petulance born of hurt and pain, imagined or otherwise, from someone you love or respect. It is not the type where you want to draw your bolo and hurl a challenge. For those in the know, many of the current Modern Arnis masters in the Phil. trained with both Remy and Ernesto, and even Roberto, like Cristino Vasquez, Rodel Dagooc, etc. As Kapatid Abon mentioned, practitioners of both Modern Arnis and Kombatan in the U.S. are allies and supporters, with Kombatan friends like Alex Ercia (who I found out is close to GM Cristino Vasquez of IMAFP), Alex France and Gabe Rafael, who are ED list members. Even though he has his own style and organization, Kapatid Abon is recognized as part of the Modern Arnis family from his previous intimate ties with Remy. On the Modern Arnis intramurals both here and the Phil., the fact remains that they still exist. I should know. But I have mellowed a lot on this issue. I have met many US Modern Arnis practitioners like Bram Frank and Dan Anderson, the Phil. old guard like Rodel Dagooc and Jerry de la Cruz and I maintain close ties with masters like Cristino Vasquez and Godofredo Fajardo,. They are knowledgeable, passionate and true to Modern Arnis. The politics, intramurals and "tampong bakulaw", while unfortunate, are a small price to pay to enjoy an art we all love. Dan, thanks for the heads-up about the book.. Jay de Leon Commissioner for North America International Modern Arnis Federation of the Phil. (IMAFP) www.tipunan.com GatPuno@aol.com wrote: This bounce e-mail, since I forget to put the heading. sorry for that, I was in hurry that day. Is my bad.. Kapatid Dan, Professor Remy and I had a discussion on that matter on 1993 when he was staying in Maimi Beach Hotel. I asked him personnally what have happen between him and his brother Ernesto. He said he has fall out with him even before leaving Philippines 1970's. It so deep "brotherly anger" that he dont want to talk about it. But on other hand, GM Ernesto Presas, I have the pleasure of hang out with him and his group in Orlando and I feel that the problem is really GM Remy Presas. GM Ernesto seems like he want to reconcile with his brother, this is the time when Remy is already sick. Somtimes we do step on our own hand and it get so nasty athe situation and we want to put it behind and dont talk about it. So I respect both sides. Prof. Remy dont mentioned anything against to his brother, nor GM Ersnesto, on the conversation I can feel both party is istill love each other very much as brother. But you know their is one thing in our culture, that if the older brother get up-set to the youger brother, the younger brother supposed to bow down as respect to his older brother, no matter how wrong his older brother is. I am friends in both sides, both Kombatan groups and Modern Arnis group, from Bram Frank, Shishir Inocalla, including you Kapatid Dan and Kapatid Jay De Leon, and in Kobatants is Alex France, Alex Ercia and Lito Conception and more I feel the brotherhood in both parties. I would love to pick up a copy. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International l ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:06:41 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] The Spanish Connection Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If my recollection is correct, technically-speaking, the first foreign FMA school was opened in Spain in the 1880s by the Luna Brothers of Ilocos in Barcelona, Spain. This predates by about 70 years the first FMA schools in the US. Since, at that time, duelling is still legally-acceptable in Spain, I wonder if anyone out there has encountered any account on how Filipinos performed in Spanish duels? --__--__-- Message: 5 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 17:54:37 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] More for GM Lazo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I jus want to answer this phrase by phrase, what GM Lazo saying about me.. > My critic claims that he taught modern arnis as a P.E. > GP Abon. I did I have picture my old banner to proved it, picture of Willy Annang in Paete visit and more. GM Lazo > curriculum but he has > not shown in any demonstration any knowledge of flowing in modern arnis. > GP Abon Why I should? Did I ever claimed to be the "Modern Arnis Flow"? I can flow alraight, but my flow is not block and hit. In our Family arts blocking is a waste of one chance to hit my opponents. Then my flow is hit, hit and more hit after hit. GM Lazo > Flowing is the closely guarded secret of modern arnis and apparently was > not > revealed to my critic. > GP Abon How so? Why if so guarded why a lot of people has it, it was sold in DVD and VHS before that. Do I have to worry about it, why do I care about it, I have my own family system. GM Lazo > However, as I have said, demonstrations are just bits > and pieces of one's total knowledge, so I give my critic the benefit of the > doubt. Unfortunately, being unable to see "de cuerdas" in my movements > erased all doubts. My critic said that he cannot see serrada movements in my > movements. > GP Abon Yes I did, and if not rue then contest it. GM Lazo. > True, because I was not a student of GM Angel Cabales and I will > not claim to know such. How much similarity and dissimilarity does my critic > know between "de cuerdas" and "serrada?" He never saw GM Dizon in action so > he practically does not know how "de cuerdas" looked like. If he saw GM > cabales in action, without seeing the "de cuerdas" art will not give him a > strong basis for comparison. What then does my critic have as a basis of > comparison? > GP Abon Well, I was wondering if both of you studied under GM Dizon, atleast I would see the same strike, the same strike and so on. Then you never see what other people has to say about it and their in put has a valid reason. But I dont think I have to repeat what they said about it and Why? > > GM Lazo. > He has nothing! All he can do is assume. Like they say in this > country, to assume makes an ass of "u" and me. He cannot compare "de > cuerdas" he never saw against serrada. Neither can he compare "de cuerdas" > with my own art, so he compared my art with "serrada" that did not influence > me. > GP Abon I am not assuming, I am wondering, why if both of you (GM Cabales and you) studied under GM Dizon and it came out different. All we want is solid answer, i f you have one. I can tell you what I can show you the strike in Modern Arnis, the Four Anyo on the Modern Arnis way and my way of doing it, and the application the way Modern Arnis do and the application if in the Garimot Style of Arnis. Is that made it wrong, no is just need to clarification not defensive "$$$t" talk back like a kids, you are more older than us, and you can't even used the politically correct words to insult me, used more direct words, call me in my name, dont bit me around bush. Therefore you show me what kind of Eskrimador you are. I proabably nothing, and I dont want you to praise me, I a$$ and I stand what an a$$ I am. GM Lazo > My critic does not know the sombrada of "de cuerdas," my art's flowing, > as well as "serrada sombrada." I doubt if the lack of knowledge of the three > gives him the credibility to criticize. I am not criticizing my critic but > just answering his criticism. > > GP Abon > I dont know sombrada of the "de cuerdas" in particular you are right, but I studied the Sumbrada de San Miguel of Maestro Juan Ladiana and Maestro Alejandro Cacaos of Lumban, Laguna. Now, Your critics, was wondering why two people studied in the same master dont have the same strikes and stances. As mentioned as I see and noticed is "Night and Day" orange and apple. Which part you don't understand. > > GM Lazo > Readers should not get me wrong. My critic is good in harimaw buno for those > who love wrestling. He is also good on the rope. If anyone who wants to > experience being tied up like a water buffalo, his expertise should be > sought. Besides those qualities, he claims also to be undefeated in stick > fighting. Anyone who wants to be trained to be undefeated in stick fighting > should seek his tutelage. > GP Abon Thank you for the compliments, it does not mean you erase the fact you insulted my personality. GM Lazo > I just feel that discrediting the knowledge I > learned from GM Dizon is clearly telling me that they are also discrediting > him as my teacher. This critic is trying to take away my freedom to be > grateful to my teacher that I owe respect and knowledge that help me to grow > and develop in my own martial heritage.   > > GP Abon > I never dis-grading nor dis-credit your knowledge in any way, I am just > voicing out a review, between your arts based on what I have seen, if there > any more to see, well that my bad. I missed the bus then. All in all, I ahave > nothing to apology, I am just stating the fact that I notice between two > instructors. Nothing on my part I said he is not a GM nor is not really sudy under > his instructor, I am only clearly reapeated saying is why, both of them have > diferrent strikes, stances and drills. If GM Lazo think that he has some > similarity to the Serrada then be it, I just dont see it. i probably blind. > Than my final opinion, you have a problem with that, I suggest blamed it GM Dizon, they dont teach you the same. > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:26:38 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] The Philippine-Mexican connection Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The link to Ambeth Ocampo's piece on the Philippine-Mexican connection can be found below: http://opinion.inquirer.net/inquireropinion/columns/view_article.php?article_id=33094 -----Original Message----- > From: Pananandta@aol.com > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Sent: Fri, 11 May 2007 8:32 AM > Subject: [Eskrima] The Philippine-Mexican connection (Re: Eskrima digest, > Vol > 14 #143 - 5 msgs) > > Jesus, > > Good input. I kind of forgot that there was an extensive galleon trade > between Mexico and the Philippines. > > Indeed, for EDers, it is generally believed that quite a few Mexicans > settled in Pampangga. There is even a town called Mexico in Pampangga. > > Thanks. > > APMarinas Sr. --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] More for GM Lazo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:52:58 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ok folks. Time to tone it down a bit. Thanks. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest