Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 02:58:24 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #146 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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GM Lazo/Comment (Mark Harrell) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:52:51 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Update on United States Filipino Martial Arts Federation (USFMAF) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Recently, the United States Filipino Martial Arts Federation held a referees' clinic in preparation for their international tournaments. Below is an article written by Sifu Anthony Wade detailing their efforts. I am posting this article at the request of my friend and my Lameco instructor Felix Valencia, who has extended a helping hand to the USFMAF. http://www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com/Events/USFMAF.html Thank you. Jay de Leon www.tipunan.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 06:31:20 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Tone down a bit/Thanks Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Ok folks.  Time to tone it down a bit. > Ray Terry, > This is what I am talking about, Salamat Ray Terry. I would not comment any > further, GM Lazo and I already e-mail each other, as we are friends we will > settle this in more friendly ways. I apologized for sounding harsh. I just > want this to be clear, this is the way Filipino are we can say much to each > other and later we still suppor each other. I think a lots of you knows the > old man is always treated with "po" or "opo" yes sir in the Philippines. GM > Lazo is one of respected GM of Arnis, I would never lost that respect, I > believed he earned that. Okay this is hopefully my last note to GM Lazo in this > list. Everything will be talk publicly, so if anyone has against to what I wrote, > please take my e-mail address and send your note to me directlly. Thank you, > > > Salamat Uli(thanks again), Ray Terry, for maintaining the tone of the discussion. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 03:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: isagani abon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Training Camp To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net just wanna let you know of the new sites of Rapido Realismo Kali hope you all like it http://www.rapidorealismokali.com although some are still under construction but we just wanna present you. hope you will find time to visit. Thanks to Reginald Santos, one of our dedicated students. if you want to watch some of the RRKALI clips look at www.youtube.com Goodluck! Guro Isagani Abon http://www.angelfire.com/art2/rapidorealismo isagani abon wrote: Rapido Realismo Kali Interantional **********************PRESENTS*********************** Punong Guro Henry Espera Philippines 2006 Kali Warrior and Mastery Training Camp November 6 – December 11, 2006 ***OPEN to ALL STYLES and SKILL LEVELS*** (One Month Intensive Basic Instructor Training Certification Camp) For more info visit http://www.angelfire.com/art2/rapidorealismo All inquiries, assistance with planning, and reservations contact: Guro Isagani Abon VP, Director of Training - RRKI rapido_realismo@yahoo.com combatpamuok2@yahoo.com +639216176010 --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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This is written to Gat Jose Rizal(Philippine National Hero) to Novel book "El Filibuterismo" and "Noli Metangere" written in Spanish published in Germany, 1891. No the earliest recorded school of Arnis is 1872 in the Philippines, Jose de Asas open in Manila. The Esgrima (Spanish Fencing) and Arnis . This is written in sjort history of Arnis on Professor Remy Presas book. Now this Esgrima becomes Eskrima to Filipino adopted names from Spanish Fencing. My father has the benefits of learning Fencing when he was an altar boy in Catholic Church in Paete. The Priest learned it from Rome, Italy. The priest past time is to practiced the arts called Esgrima, it was taught in Rome. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com > recollection is correct, technically-speaking, the first foreign FMA > school was opened in Spain in the 1880s by the Luna Brothers of Ilocos in > Barcelona, Spain.  This predates by about 70 years the first FMA schools in > the US. > > Since, at that time, duelling is still legally-acceptable in Spain, I wonder > if anyone out there has encountered any account on how Filipinos performed > in Spanish duels? > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 07:40:12 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Correction About Luna brother. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Correction Dr. Gat Jose Rizal have a Egrima Fencing Match with Antonio luna, not to Juan Luna (the Painter). Dr. Gat Jose Rizal vs. Antonio Luna caused their friedship, over lady name Nelly Bousted; Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 16:52:31 +0200 From: abanico-video-knuettel@t-online.de (ABANICO) Organization: ABANICO GmbH & Co KG To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] GM Rodel Dagooc Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From: jay de leon >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] GM Presas > > ..... > For those in the know, many of the current Modern Arnis > masters in the Phil. trained with both Remy and Ernesto, and > even Roberto, like Cristino Vasquez, Rodel Dagooc, etc. ..... > > GM Rodel Dagooc never studied under Ernesto Presas. GM Remy Presas was his teacher, yes, but not Ernesto. Dieter Knüttel Datu of Modern Arnis -- ABANICO GmbH & Co. KG Sitz Dortmund, Amtsgericht Dortmund, HBR 12905, Geschäftsführer: Dieter Knüttel --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:21:07 -0700 (PDT) From: James Thornton Subject: Re: [Eskrima] EU/UK Weapons Law To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Ollie, How is life treating you sir?Wow Enland still having alot of knife attack huh?How is everyone doing at the school?Please give my regards to everyone I returned from the Philippines a few days ago and I gotta tell you it was all worth it! I never trained so hard in my entire life I trained with Gm Tony Diego of Kali Ilustrisimo,Gm Henry Espera of Rapido Realisimo,in Manila,then traved to Cebu and trained Yaw Yan Kick Boxing 2 weeks 8 hour per day,I also seen GM Juni,and Master Val they invited me to the GM Tournament it was truely the best time I ever had?If you send me your private email I will send you pictures.Well you take great care sir! Guru James Ollie Batts wrote: Anything that could be construed as being designed or modified to be used as a potentially offensive weapon may not be legally carried on UK streets. It is also against the law to take a blade of any description onto school land or into school premises over here. Even a non-locking pocket knife. Following a spate of reported stabbings in this country (it's debatable if there have actually been an increase in knife crime, or simply an increase in media attention, fuelled no doubt by certain people in our society) the politicians simply wanted to be seen to be doing something about knife crime (by ordinary and gullible people). There have been various extra laws brought in over the years, and so-called knife amnesties. After one amnesty there was even a picture of a Copper holding a huge 'Klingon' weapon with a caption saying something like 'Police pleased to have this and other blades off the streets'! The BBC and a lot of newspapers are no more than puppets for the politicians too. The British government (whatever party) has always responded to any crisis situations in our society with knee-jerk reactions. After Hungerford and Dunblane shootings, they caved in to a vociferous minority of people who had formed pressure groups to get handguns banned. So they took them away from people such as me, and now there is far more gun crime than ever before. Some of that is due to cheap weapons coming in from Eastern Europe, since the break up of the old Soviet Union. These are easily accessed by those of criminal intent. Which means that the only two groups of people to have guns (handguns) in our society are criminals and the police. And you can't even be sure that you won't be gunned down by them either! Ordinary citizens in the UK were of course never allowed to carry guns for self-defence anyway. Handguns could be owned by people who had undergone strict vetting, no serious criminal record, etc., etc., for the purpose of sporting/target shooting on approved ranges. Shotguns (and some rifles) can still be owned, but again only for sporting use, or for vermin control on approved land. Strict laws apply. Never mind guns. I bet if cars had been invented only recently they wouldn't trust ordinary people in our society to drive - of that I am convinced. They are, however, currently doing their best to take away that right from as many motorists as they can with the use of extortionate fuel taxes, punitive speeding laws, road-pricing schemes, etc. In America, drivers are also allowed to use their discretion, experience and common-sense, to turn right on a red light. We drive on the left over here, but they don't trust us to turn left on a red light, even when we can see that it's perfectly safe to do so. It's getting to the point where ordinary people soon won't be trusted to wipe their own arses! We no longer live in a democratic free society anymore. We live under a dictatorship called the British Government, which itself is presided over and controlled by the EU. Currently the Scots wants devolution, although I'm not sure why. It's their people whose votes keep the Labour party in power throughout the UK anyway. And it's also true to say that it's mainly Scottish senior politicians who head the government in Westminster anyway. Pugil Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:26:21 -0700 (PDT) From: RJ Garcia Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FMA thoughts on Tactical situations To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Let me just say, this is sort of sad. People escorted out of a campus for performing a demo there in the US? Swords going to be banned in the UK (I heard you had "knife amnesties" there in the UK)? Are people really becoming that paranoid over there? When my group did an FMA demo at an event of the Humanities Department of my college, they even requested me to use a live bolo in my sayaw. And as for some sort of martial training for all students, it might not instantly turn everyone into heroes, but if it did have a positive effect on even just one or two people, won't that make it worth it? It would probably be better than the ceaseless marching under the sun that the current Citizen's Military Training/ ROTC programs most of our schools have here in the Philippines. Is CMT/ROTC required for all students there in the US? How about in the UK? Also, the thing I find disturbing about the school shootings there in the US is that they are RANDOM shootings. As what people have said here, people do get shot and stabbed here in the Philippines, but most if not all of them are born out of personal vendettas or escalated drunken scuffles and such. The most random crime here, as far as I know, would be armed mugging/robbery, where the weapon is mostly used to intimidate. Gumagalang, rj garcia kamao.org _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 13:03:08 -0700 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] De-mystifying Cebuano Eskrima Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net De-mystifying Cebuano Eskrima Karlon N. Rama Sun.Star Cebu Monday, May 14, 2007 RETURNING from a coverage somewhere in southern Cebu, a Sun.Star Cebu news team composed of myself, lensman Amper Campaña, the late Dino Siso and our news van driver Roger Montes once drove by a 10-wheeler truck carrying a pile of logs to Cebu City being stopped by policemen. We decided to stop, ask questions and take shots. We got suddenly mobbed by eight to ten people—they massed from a few smaller vehicles that we didn't know were riding convoy with the truck—for our trouble. Amper got hit on the face when somebody tried to grapple with him for his camera. The rest of us moved in between him and the mob but they were too many. It would have turned even uglier had the policemen, recovering from the initial shock, not broken us up. This was the first time I saw a coverage get physical. It wasn't the last. After the incident, it seemed wise to learn some sort of unarmed self defense (this was in the mid '90s, about two years before I could legally carry a firearm for protection) and being a true-blue Cebuano, it seemed appropriate to try to Eskrima, among others. This, in turn, led me to a passing encounter with the flaming de abanico sticks of Lapunti Arnis, under the tutelage of one of Chris Cordezar, an instructor of Lapunti GM Prudencio "Undo" Caburnay. Later, I would have the very short-lived but very memorable experience of being taught a few techniques by no less than GM Ciriaco "Cacoy" Cañete, the man behind the internationally renowned Cacoy Doce Pares Eskrido System. But the career of a journalist being what it is, where there is hardly enough time to do anything else, plus the failure of some to present the art as nothing more than a set of blows, parries and counter-attacks, interest in really learning the art slowly waned... until recently. BEYOND THE MYTH. Ned Nepangue is a physician. And being so, he is used to being presented with a subject suffering from one or a combination of maladies, diagnose the condition based upon a set of ascertained facts and begin treatment. A mistaken diagnosis results in wrong treatment and may cause death. He has brought that required discipline to the subject of Eskrima and, together with co-author Celestino Macachor, has published a book in the United States that present and explain Eskrima in the context of history, culture and in weapons and weapons-free deployment. Reading the owners' copy, I find it to be one of the most well-researched books on Eskrima so far written. Preparation for the book, which I hope will be commercially available here, included pouring over really copious amounts of written data and traveling the entire Island of Cebu and the island groups of Camotes and Bantayan to trace the beginnings, extent and possible categories of the martial art form. It highlights and laments the total absence of government efforts, save perhaps the filing of some bills that were never fully implemented anyway, to preserve and protect and, at the same time, study and develop Eskrima. Eskrima's survival, he said in the book, is currently anchored solely on those who promote it as a sport and those who teach it commercially. However, he added, those very same people, well-meaning as their intentions may be, have linked Eskrima to a "non-existent" martial art form called Kali, which is somehow linked to the Moro warriors of Mindanao, in an attempt to give it a larger-than-life pedigree. This, he said, has diminished Eskrima's actual cultural and historical value. The book cites the total absence of proof on the existence Kali, arguing that the ancient martial arts form of Muslim Mindanao is the Silat and the Kuntaw. It again cites the total absence of proof on the existence of Kali by reviewing recorded authentic tribal legends, folklore and epic. (to be concluded) --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "Mark Harrell" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:10:27 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Subject: Can we move on ? GM Lazo/Comment Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I understand that there has been a misunderstanding but isn't this banterand posturing a bit childish for highly skilled and intelligent individuals such asyourselves to engage in ? Especially in a public forum.  Does anyone has any knowledge of what terms were used for Arnis and Eskrima before the Spanish influance ?   Peace ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest