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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Inosanto and Kali (james jr. sy) 2. Re: GM Presas (james jr. sy) 3. Raymond Tabosa (Van Harn, Steve) 4. Terms (Steven Lefebvre) 5. Who's who in FMA history (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #147 - 8 msgs) (Pananandta@aol.com) 6. "Play" as used in the Phil (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #147 - 8 msgs) (Pananandta@aol.com) 7. Re: GM Presas (jay de leon) 8. Re: malcom knight (maurice gatdula) 9. Re: Re: malcom knight (Daniel Arola) 10. RE: Eskrima digest: Hi to Abon Baet (Danny Anderson) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 04:13:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Inosanto and Kali To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "So if his instructors had refferred to the art he learnt as Donald Duck then i have no doubt we would be associating that term with the art. ; )" GM Villabrille learned FMA from his uncle GM Tatang Ilustrisimo. Tatang used the term Escrima. GM Villabrille used Kali. iPat wrote: no doubt he promoted it, but then he propelled the FMA into a worldwide market - i myself first experienced it at one of his seminars in 1986. But he had instructors too and the one thing anyone who experiences Inosanto will tell you, he gives the uttmost respect to his instructors. So if his instructors had refferred to the art he learnt as Donald Duck then i have no doubt we would be associating that term with the art. ; ) So when LaCoste influenced the young Inosanto, speaking to him in his fathers dialect as a mark of respect to his father, what did he call the art and what history did he give the young Inosanto? Not all the Stockton community used the term, so it must have been someone very influential in his training, supported by his fathers historical knowledge. On 5/5/07, gatpuno@aol.com wrote: > > You nailed it, we dont know anyhting about this, since Dan Inosanto . -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 04:29:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] GM Presas To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Mr. de Leon and Gat Puno Abon, GM Roberto A. Presas did the basic training for both his elder brothers, GM Remy and Ernesto. I drop by Teo Berting's place when I'm in Hinigaran (work related). JAMES jay de leon wrote: Kapatid Abon: Everybody knows Modern Arnis including the Presas family is one big dysfunctional family. Even the groups within the Modern Arnis family like the IMAFP of which I am a member is dysfunctional. But the saving grace is any "enmity" that exists is merely "tampung bakulaw" or something like familial petulance born of hurt and pain, imagined or otherwise, from someone you love or respect. It is not the type where you want to draw your bolo and hurl a challenge. For those in the know, many of the current Modern Arnis masters in the Phil. trained with both Remy and Ernesto, and even Roberto, like Cristino Vasquez, Rodel Dagooc, etc. As Kapatid Abon mentioned, practitioners of both Modern Arnis and Kombatan in the U.S. are allies and supporters, with Kombatan friends like Alex Ercia (who I found out is close to GM Cristino Vasquez of IMAFP), Alex France and Gabe Rafael, who are ED list members. Even though he has his own style and organization, Kapatid Abon is recognized as part of the Modern Arnis family from his previous intimate ties with Remy. On the Modern Arnis intramurals both here and the Phil., the fact remains that they still exist. I should know. But I have mellowed a lot on this issue. I have met many US Modern Arnis practitioners like Bram Frank and Dan Anderson, the Phil. old guard like Rodel Dagooc and Jerry de la Cruz and I maintain close ties with masters like Cristino Vasquez and Godofredo Fajardo,. They are knowledgeable, passionate and true to Modern Arnis. The politics, intramurals and "tampong bakulaw", while unfortunate, are a small price to pay to enjoy an art we all love. Dan, thanks for the heads-up about the book.. Jay de Leon Commissioner for North America International Modern Arnis Federation of the Phil. (IMAFP) www.tipunan.com GatPuno@aol.com wrote: This bounce e-mail, since I forget to put the heading. sorry for that, I was in hurry that day. Is my bad.. Kapatid Dan, Professor Remy and I had a discussion on that matter on 1993 when he was staying in Maimi Beach Hotel. I asked him personnally what have happen between him and his brother Ernesto. He said he has fall out with him even before leaving Philippines 1970's. It so deep "brotherly anger" that he dont want to talk about it. But on other hand, GM Ernesto Presas, I have the pleasure of hang out with him and his group in Orlando and I feel that the problem is really GM Remy Presas. GM Ernesto seems like he want to reconcile with his brother, this is the time when Remy is already sick. Somtimes we do step on our own hand and it get so nasty athe situation and we want to put it behind and dont talk about it. So I respect both sides. Prof. Remy dont mentioned anything against to his brother, nor GM Ersnesto, on the conversation I can feel both party is istill love each other very much as brother. But you know their is one thing in our culture, that if the older brother get up-set to the youger brother, the younger brother supposed to bow down as respect to his older brother, no matter how wrong his older brother is. I am friends in both sides, both Kombatan groups and Modern Arnis group, from Bram Frank, Shishir Inocalla, including you Kapatid Dan and Kapatid Jay De Leon, and in Kobatants is Alex France, Alex Ercia and Lito Conception and more I feel the brotherhood in both parties. I would love to pick up a copy. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International l ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:03:35 -0500 From: "Van Harn, Steve" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Raymond Tabosa Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anyone have any information on inheritors of the late Raymond Tabosa's art? I'm very piqued by the few pics in Wiley's book but that and some references to Prof. Vee are about all I've been able to find. Thanks so much, Steve ________________________________________________________ Steve Van Harn | T: 616.994.4358 | F: 616.994.4116 Tennant Company Creating a cleaner, safer world for 136 years. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Steven Lefebvre" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:11:05 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Terms Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello All, Just got back after a great 2 week vacation to the ongoing threads here and remembered that Tuhon Rafael had posted this way back in 2000, “ We are not sure it is NOT western in origin, it may be based on the Spanish word "caliz..." “ I asked several professors of Spanish history, historical linguists and translators on the origin of the Spanish term "caliz" to mean "sabre" and they never heard of such a thing or they responded thus: "Chaliz o chalis isn't in the two volume dictionary. For sable (sabre) chincharrazo is in the thesaurus list." In addition, one reply even stated that if this term involved the Philippines - it may be ***the other way around!*** Especially for words around the 16th century. The Southern Philippine word "kalis" may have been appropriated BY the Spanish/Portugese to mean a sword. Historically, the Spanish especially the Conquistadores appropriated some words of native tribes and used THEIR terms for that region. "What happens with language is that the conquistadores language has remained the same or changed according to the environment of the native languages. For example, the ote endings on Mexican words is from the Nahuatl and the words are not peninsular Spanish in some cases ejotes for judías verdes (green beans) ot 19th c. "ansí" for "así" now in the 20th c." This is similar to the Americans appropriating the words, "boondocks" and "amok" from the native Filipino root terms. Another reply suggested it may mean "sobre" but they may have misread my inquiry to mean "Chalice". Reflecting on the root term "chalice" as the Greek's interpreted the word from the Aramaic Biblical texts of which the first use of the cup that Jesus drank from. --Rafael-- Sayoc Kali Beyond all this here is a not so new tidbit: If you pick up an english translation of Antonio Pigafetta's Magellan accounts, you will note that in his glossary, Pigafetta calls the native's "fighting style" ... Kampilan. He specifically isolates the terms for "sword" separately from "fighting style" so one could arguably conclude that Pigafetta found the term significant enough to make note of it. Just to mess with the mother art discussion even more... is the mother art named "kampilan" and through the years evolved to mean a type of sword? "Campilanes" is a Spanish interpretation of the native Filipino word, it is not an original word from Spain. More coming! Gumagalang Guro Steve L. --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Pananandta@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:01:11 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Who's who in FMA history (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #147 - 8 msgs) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net James, Great information. I studied Aikido under Sensei Ambrosio Gavileno and shorin ryu from Sensei Latino Gonzales. I would have mentioned that there must have been a great deal of activity in southern Philippines when I was still in the Philippines. Unfortunately, news from southern Philippines during my time did not get to be printed in national newspapers. Most of the things printed in the news was of the unpleasant kind. Perhaps that was the reason why many FMA practitioners from southern Philippines went to Manila to teach - to get more exposure. We cannot really get a complete list of Filipino martial artists of different discipline unless, we go around the country with pen and paper. This will entail a lot of time and cost. But of course, it can happen, if a univeristy gets a financial grant for somebody to make a dedicated study of the subject. Perhaps, a thesis. In the meantime, we just have to be satisfied with your input, my input, Gatpuno's input, Jay's input and others who had given bits and pieces of very important information on the subject. In the process, we are filling up some very blank pages in FMA history. Thanks. APMarinas Sr. In a message dated 5/14/2007 9:50:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Hi PG Mat and Gat Puno Abon, Up to today Manila is still the center of martial arts growth and development in the Philippines largely due to the fact that it is the capital of the country and it serves as a melting pot of various martial traditions. Brazilian Jiu-jitsu was introduced to the Philippines in 2001 via Manila. At about the same time, Capoeira Grupo Manila (CGM), the first Capoeira group in the Philippines, was already in existence. The national governing bodies for various martial sports recognized by the Philippine Olympic Committee (POC) and the Philippine Sports Commission (PSC) such as the Arnis Philippines (Arpi), Muay Association of the Philippines (MAP), Philippine Amateur Judo Association (PAJA), Philippine Karate-do Federation (PKF), Philippine Pencak Silat Association (Philsilat), Philippine Taekwondo Association (PTA), and Wushu Federation of the Philippines (WFP) are based in the NCR. The major governing bodies for traditional aikido (Aikikai) in the country Aikido Philippines, PAPA, Filipino Federation of aikido – all based in Manila. The Ki Association International of former Philippine Ki no Kenkyukai Chief Instructor Ernesto Talag Sensei and the Tapondo Internatioanl Federation Inc. 9TIFI) of founder/Master Ambrosio “Monching” J. Gavileño are also based in Manila. Nevertheless, many of the pioneers in Philippine martial arts came from the provinces among them: Latino Gonzales Sensei (Jaro, iloilo) - Father of Shorin-ryu Karate in the Philippines. Johnny Carranza Sensei of the Siete Pares Karate Association (Tanjay, Oriental Negros) - Philippine action and karate star. GM Casimiro A. Grandeza Bacolod City)- Father of Karate in Negros. Was teaching Karate in the province as early as the 1960s. Also pioneer of Combat judo and Arnis thru his White Kimono. Became the first Filipino to finish a masters’ course in Korea under the moo Duk Kwan of the late GM Hwang Kee and went on to become the first Filipino grandmaster of Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan and the founder/president of the Philippine Moo Duk Kwan Inc.-Korea Tang soo Do Association (PMDKI-KTSDA). Ceferino “Jun” F. Vasquez Sensei (Bacolod City) - Trained intensively in Japan under Nakayama, Masatoshi Sensei, then 9th dan. He brought Sasaki, Kunio Sensei, then 6th dan, to the Philippines as the sole representative of Japan Karate Association (JKA) to the country. Johnny Chuiten (Cebu) - Former president of the Karate Federation of the Philippines (KAFEPHIL), technical consultant of the Chin Wu Athletic Association of the Philippines, and vice president of the Cebu Escrima Association. A prominent figure in Kung Fu, Escrima, and Karate in the early days. Founder of Pronus Supinus. Pancho Villa (Ilog, Negros Occidental) - The first world Wesertn Boxing champion from Asia. Flash Elorde (Cebu) - Great Filipino world Western Boxing champion who also did Balintawak Escrima. Labangon Fencing Club - Pioneer group of escrima in cebu which later evolved into the Doce Pares. Doce Pares - The most established Cebuano FMA organization having been f ounded in 1932 by several Eskrimadores, among them the Saavedras and the Cañetes. GM Remegio “Remy” A. Presas (Hinigaran, negros Occidental) - PE university professor for Judo and Arnis. The first from Negros to write an FMA book. Founder of Presas Style Modern Arnis, the most practiced FMA style in the world. Master Monching Gavileño (Guimaras) - Founde of the first Filipino style of Aikido, Tapondo (a.k.a. Combat Aikido). A Philippine Aikido pioneer. Former member of Aikikai in the Philippines. Founded the Philippine Aikido Sports Association Inc. (PASAI), which was later renamed to the Philippine Combat Aikido Federation (PCAF) in 1992 and then Tapondo International Federation Inc. (TIFI) in 2000 or 2001. Paquit Valencia Sensei (Iloilo City) - One of the first Filipinos to have studied Aikido. Taught Aikido in Guam. Was also an Judo black belt. Passed away with a 4th dan from Aikikai Hombu. Max C. Tian Sensei (Cebu) - Head of Shinshintoitsu Aikido in Cebu. I know I missed out others, particularly in Luzon. I apologize for the shortcoming of the list. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: Pananandta@aol.com Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 11:10:01 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] "Play" as used in the Phil (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #147 - 8 msgs) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net James, Speaking of play, I played mahjong last night and won 50 cents after 5 hours. Seriously, to "laro" is usually interchangeable with the word "to pratice". It is some kind of generic term. Best. APMarinas Sr. In a message dated 5/14/2007 9:50:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Eskrima (swordplay/fencing), Chinese mahjong, sepak takraw, and Filipino piko are all “plays” too but they have nothing to do with Kali. From an academic point of view, such reasoning is erroneous and invalid. As PG Mat said, you don’t take words literally. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:25:34 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] GM Presas To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi James: I hope he is in good health. I mention this not to dredge up any titles issue, but one of the interesting things I found out during my last trip to the Phil. was, the International Modern Arnis Federation of the Phil. (IMAFP) recognizes only one living Grandmaster in the Remy Presas Modern Arnis system, and that is GM Roberto "Berting" Presas. There are many Grandmasters in the organization, but they are Grandmasters of their own systems, either as founder or inheritors. Examples include Cristino Vasquez (Ipit-Pilipit), Rene Tongson (inheritor of Tres Puntas Estillo), Jerry de la Cruz and Rodel Dagooc, but not of Modern Arnis. This is just a partial and not a complete list, so please do not take umbrage if I missed someone. I think this falls in line with the consensus that you can call yourself any title you want, but to call yourself a Grandmaster (or any other title) of an established system or organization is an entirely different matter, unless so vested by that organization. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com "james jr. sy" wrote: Hi Mr. de Leon and Gat Puno Abon, GM Roberto A. Presas did the basic training for both his elder brothers, GM Remy and Ernesto. I drop by Teo Berting's place when I'm in Hinigaran (work related). JAMES jay de leon wrote: Kapatid Abon: Everybody knows Modern Arnis including the Presas family is one big dysfunctional family. Even the groups within the Modern Arnis family like the IMAFP of which I am a member is dysfunctional. But the saving grace is any "enmity" that exists is merely "tampung bakulaw" or something like familial petulance born of hurt and pain, imagined or otherwise, from someone you love or respect. It is not the type where you want to draw your bolo and hurl a challenge. For those in the know, many of the current Modern Arnis masters in the Phil. trained with both Remy and Ernesto, and even Roberto, like Cristino Vasquez, Rodel Dagooc, etc. As Kapatid Abon mentioned, practitioners of both Modern Arnis and Kombatan in the U.S. are allies and supporters, with Kombatan friends like Alex Ercia (who I found out is close to GM Cristino Vasquez of IMAFP), Alex France and Gabe Rafael, who are ED list members. Even though he has his own style and organization, Kapatid Abon is recognized as part of the Modern Arnis family from his previous intimate ties with Remy. On the Modern Arnis intramurals both here and the Phil., the fact remains that they still exist. I should know. But I have mellowed a lot on this issue. I have met many US Modern Arnis practitioners like Bram Frank and Dan Anderson, the Phil. old guard like Rodel Dagooc and Jerry de la Cruz and I maintain close ties with masters like Cristino Vasquez and Godofredo Fajardo,. They are knowledgeable, passionate and true to Modern Arnis. The politics, intramurals and "tampong bakulaw", while unfortunate, are a small price to pay to enjoy an art we all love. Dan, thanks for the heads-up about the book.. Jay de Leon Commissioner for North America International Modern Arnis Federation of the Phil. (IMAFP) www.tipunan.com GatPuno@aol.com wrote: This bounce e-mail, since I forget to put the heading. sorry for that, I was in hurry that day. Is my bad.. Kapatid Dan, Professor Remy and I had a discussion on that matter on 1993 when he was staying in Maimi Beach Hotel. I asked him personnally what have happen between him and his brother Ernesto. He said he has fall out with him even before leaving Philippines 1970's. It so deep "brotherly anger" that he dont want to talk about it. But on other hand, GM Ernesto Presas, I have the pleasure of hang out with him and his group in Orlando and I feel that the problem is really GM Remy Presas. GM Ernesto seems like he want to reconcile with his brother, this is the time when Remy is already sick. Somtimes we do step on our own hand and it get so nasty athe situation and we want to put it behind and dont talk about it. So I respect both sides. Prof. Remy dont mentioned anything against to his brother, nor GM Ersnesto, on the conversation I can feel both party is istill love each other very much as brother. But you know their is one thing in our culture, that if the older brother get up-set to the youger brother, the younger brother supposed to bow down as respect to his older brother, no matter how wrong his older brother is. I am friends in both sides, both Kombatan groups and Modern Arnis group, from Bram Frank, Shishir Inocalla, including you Kapatid Dan and Kapatid Jay De Leon, and in Kobatants is Alex France, Alex Ercia and Lito Conception and more I feel the brotherhood in both parties. I would love to pick up a copy. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International l ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 12:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: malcom knight Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hi malcom, i want to say that i admire what you did, by going to the philippines to study the filipino arts. it is not as expensive as some people might think, especially with the prices a teacher charges in the philippines, they are so cheap who would rather pass up a real teacher, than for a video tape, or a seminar where you are learning the same thing as hundreds of other guys? yes, you could do a seminar for balintawak here in the US, but its not the same as if you stayed with one teacher for a long time, i didnt look much at the videos, but i will bet your skill improved much faster than if you tried to learn from videos. many teachers and so called experts are still avoiding making this kind of commitment, making excuses (why go to the philippines?) out of racial pride and maybe even fear or even for being cheap...all this time, they are missing out on the good stuff! again i want to say that i admire this, and i want you and the list members to check out my friend antonio, who is studying in the philippines right now. this is his website http://www.escapeartist.com/efam/90/art_phillipines.html when he wanted muay thai, he went to thailand. when he wanted to learn muay boran, he went to cambodia. when he wanted kung fu, he went to china. some of you might heard about him known as the "monk from brooklyn", he's an east coast boy. a lot of people could learn from your example. there's some people who want to go to medical school, but they wont travel to go to another town for medical school. if he learned the medicine by books an video and sometimes a seminar (but he STUDIED a lot!) would you trust your health to this person? or a lawyer who would not go to law school, so he does paralegal school in his neighborhood, would you want him to keep you out of jail? well, we have people who trust there lives and self defense and preservation to uncommitted teachers every day. sometimes, we call these half ass teachers, "master". Message: 1 From: "malcolm knight" Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:25:48 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] balintawak training clips on youtube Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, just got back from cebu a few days ago, the heat was almost unbearable but you know how it is. Sun, sea beautiful women sigh, someone has to do it, you learn to grin and bear it after a while. Anyway just uploaded the latest training clips on youtube. youtube vids April 2007 I returned to Cebu and Grandmaster Nick Elizar to continue my training in World Nickelstick Eskrima club Balintawak style.GM Nick obviously wanted to see how much I had developed since last year before starting instructor training http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LAgHAXoagI --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 13:07:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: malcom knight To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I can DIG IT! Malcolm is cool! maurice gatdula wrote: hi malcom, i want to say that i admire what you did, by going to the philippines to study the filipino arts. it is not as expensive as some people might think, especially with the prices a teacher charges in the philippines, they are so cheap who would rather pass up a real teacher, than for a video tape, or a seminar where you are learning the same thing as hundreds of other guys? yes, you could do a seminar for balintawak here in the US, but its not the same as if you stayed with one teacher for a long time, i didnt look much at the videos, but i will bet your skill improved much faster than if you tried to learn from videos. many teachers and so called experts are still avoiding making this kind of commitment, making excuses (why go to the philippines?) out of racial pride and maybe even fear or even for being cheap...all this time, they are missing out on the good stuff! again i want to say that i admire this, and i want you and the list members to check out my friend antonio, who is studying in the philippines right now. this is his website http://www.escapeartist.com/efam/90/art_phillipines.html when he wanted muay thai, he went to thailand. when he wanted to learn muay boran, he went to cambodia. when he wanted kung fu, he went to china. some of you might heard about him known as the "monk from brooklyn", he's an east coast boy. a lot of people could learn from your example. there's some people who want to go to medical school, but they wont travel to go to another town for medical school. if he learned the medicine by books an video and sometimes a seminar (but he STUDIED a lot!) would you trust your health to this person? or a lawyer who would not go to law school, so he does paralegal school in his neighborhood, would you want him to keep you out of jail? well, we have people who trust there lives and self defense and preservation to uncommitted teachers every day. sometimes, we call these half ass teachers, "master". Message: 1 From: "malcolm knight" Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 09:25:48 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] balintawak training clips on youtube Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, just got back from cebu a few days ago, the heat was almost unbearable but you know how it is. Sun, sea beautiful women sigh, someone has to do it, you learn to grin and bear it after a while. Anyway just uploaded the latest training clips on youtube. youtube vids April 2007 I returned to Cebu and Grandmaster Nick Elizar to continue my training in World Nickelstick Eskrima club Balintawak style.GM Nick obviously wanted to see how much I had developed since last year before starting instructor training http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LAgHAXoagI _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net DAMAG-INC [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] http://www.damag-inc.zoomshare.com Houston, Texas --------------------------------- Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Danny Anderson" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 20:36:36 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] RE: Eskrima digest: Hi to Abon Baet Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kapatid Abon, Hello Hello, I haven't heard from you in a long time!  Hope things are well with you.  The quote never made it to my first post so here it is: "In the 1980s and 1990s wildly exaggerated rumors of a feud between Ernesto, Remy and Roberto circulated among uninformed Modern Arnis practitioners. To the best of my knowledge, the three actually had a fairly strong relationship; quibbles were unavoidable, but no major feuds divided them. Ernesto unfailingly expressed his affection for his two brothers in his numerous published works. Most current practitioners of Kombatan and Modern Arnis share a camaraderie not commonly found among exponents of related systems; they freely train together and attend one another's events." As for Prof. Remy, he was royally pissed off at his brother.  If Ernesto wasn't, that's okay.  I know him only only in passing so I can't speak for him at all. Yours, Dan Anderson   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You’ll love Windows Live Hotmail. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest