Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 02:58:24 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #151 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Topher Ricketts & FMA history (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #150 - 8 msgs) (Pananandta@aol.com) 2. Re: Inosanto and Kali (Jon Broster) 3. RE:FMA Festival (Alex Ercia) 4. Ponder the why (Ray) 5. FMA and Philippine Folk Dances (bgdebuque) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Pananandta@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:14:32 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Topher Ricketts & FMA history (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #150 - 8 msgs) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Jay, I am hoping Topher Ricketts will consider sharing his information on FMA with us. I am sure he will be able to fill some gaps in my memory just like you (Jay) and James did. Many of the names (that I missed) you and James mentioned were well known FMA practitioners and they were spoken of with great respect. How could I have missed Johnny Carranza? He even shares the last name of the Spanish fencer who wrote the first book on Spanish fencing. Writing about the history of the FMA in the Philippines recently crossed my mind. However, the earliest I could start on it will be in two years. I am working on a few manuscripts that are in various stages of completion.I have also started writing another manuscript that is outside of the FMA and I plan to finish it by May of 2008. I am hoping somebody writes the book. I will pass the buck. How about it Bot? APMarinas Sr. In a message dated 5/15/2007 4:05:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: PG Mat, FWIW, another good source about martial arts in Manila is Topher Ricketts, who of course trained with Tatang, Johnny Chiuten, Doc Lengson, kung-fu masters in Chinatown and other martial arts greats. As you can imagine, he has many first hand stories about martial arts shenanigans in Manila. Just in case you are considering writing a book... Jay de Leon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:35:16 +0100 (BST) From: Jon Broster To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Inosanto and Kali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, With regard to Guro Inosanto and the names his main teachers used for their art. In "The Filipino Martial Arts", it is clear that a majority of his teachers use either arnis or escrima (or both) but he still chooses to use kali. Cabales - Escrima Ellustrisimo - Escrima Giron - Escrima & Arnis LaCoste - Kali-Escrima-Arnis-Sikaran Largusa & Villabrille - Kali It would, therefore seem reasonable for him to have chosen the term ESCRIMA, but he did not. I have always assumed that this was down to 2 reasons: 1 - he had to call it something, and maybe felt that he liked kali better. 2 - a desire to promote Filipino culture - by choosing the only non-Spanish term. p170 of tFMA reads: "Most Filipino youths born in the United States were told Filipinos had no culture, were ignorant-unclothed savages running around with G-strings and spears, knew no form of government, lacked laws and were uneducated......." Clearly, the balance needs to be redressed and the record set straight. Where better to start than with linguistics? Jon "There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife" http://www.pecahan.net --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Alex Ercia" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:29:33 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] RE:FMA Festival Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Kuya Jay! I am glad that you enjoyed the Festival and the bonding you went through with the Instructors, Masters and GM's there. I was not fortunate enough to bond with all of you after because of time restraints.(Was training with the Maestros of Paete Laguna.)This is what I am talking about we need more bonding in the PHILIPPINES. The filipinos know for a fact that this is not common or sometimes impossible in the our country. But it is now happening more often. Just got back from the Philippines to train some more with GM Bob Tabimina. And I gotta say after witnessing the Fma presentation in SM north with all the Known People in the FMA. I saw a bond going on. IN this gathering of FMA enthusiast were GM's like Roland Dantes, vic Sanchez, Bob Tabimina, Phil Buena, Bambit Dulay, GM Telebanco, June Abaya, Rodel Dagooc, Ray Dominguez, and many more. We are now almost unified. One of these days maybe we'll have a unifying body for all FMA. I know I am dreaming bout this too much. Maybe not in this lifetime. But we now see FMA evolve. About dysfunctional and not. I am proud to say that almost every week we have a group of FMA instructors and enthusiasts that meet up and workout, eat and have a great time without any politics. We might be a small group but we are doing our own bonding. Wish all of you do the same in your small ways. We are ARMAS USA, Tabimina Balintawak USA, Upakan Bara Bara and more in our group. But everytime we meet we are all brothers and sisters in FMA no distinction. Hope we can inspire you with this example. More power to all your projects. Over and out and with alot of respect to all my FMA Brothers! Alex Ercia _________________________________________________________________ More photos, more messages, more storage—get 2GB with Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_2G_0507 --__--__-- Message: 4 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:50:23 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [Eskrima] Ponder the why Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I remember when I first met GM Remy and I mentioned his brother as my main > Teacher. He was excited and showed me stuff that he would not particularly > show strangers. Even his asistant instructor was surprised to see such > techniques. > ... Interesting, but it is important to ponder why. Often times an instructor will show you more once you tell them you're under [insert well known instructor here]. Why? To show you how much more you'd be learning if you studied with them instead. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 23:57:48 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA and Philippine Folk Dances Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Just don't forget to inform us once the book is already on sale. Correct me if I'm wrong, but will this be the first published material on the link between Philippine Dance and the FMA? I gave this serious thought myself a few years ago and I was able to notice certain crane style-like movements in certain basic moves in Philippine Folk Dance. Examples of which are: 1. The "Waltz Step" 2. The "Sway Balance" 3. The "Tinikling" 3-step hop across 2 closing and opening poles Which leads us to the question: "Is there a crane style branch in the FMA?" I think both Malaysian and Indonesian Silat have crane style branches. Since the FMA is banned they > hide every basic movement, and stikes and block, drills of FMA thru > "Batalya" Combat Dances. I am ready to publish my book in "Moro-moro" > the Shrouded Art of Arnis de Mano. it will be more than 200 pages, with > more 700 pictures illustration. > > Well, hopefully this will help a bit to the readers. > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet > Garimot Arnis Training Group International > Laguna Arnis Federation International > US Harimaw Buno Federation > Hilot Research Center USA > www.garimot.com > Tel. 954-543-4422 --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest