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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2400 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Kali - Indonesian Term (bgdebuque) 2. Binakaw Eskrima/Bakaw Eskrima (GatPuno@aol.com) 3. Re: Binakaw Eskrima/Bakaw Eskrima (jay de leon) 4. Re: Inosanto and Kali (bgdebuque) 5. Making your own training knives (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #154 - 12 msgs) (Pananandta@aol.com) 6. Teovel Balintawak Seminar (Alex Ercia) 7. Re: Kelari Province and Kalaripayattu (Afern27@aol.com) 8. German FMA festival & Sonny Umpad (Jon Broster) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 02:04:04 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kali - Indonesian Term Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In terms of day-to-day use, Indonesians use "kali" to refer to a big manmade ditch. A smaller manmade ditch will normally be referred to as a "parit". The preferred term for a river is "sungai". There is another meaning for "kali" which might be more appropriate for the martial arts - number of repetitions. Thus "sekali" would be "1 repetition" or "once". "Dua kali" would be "2 repetitions" or "2 times". "Tiga kali" would be "3 repetitions" or "3 times". "Beberapa kali" would be "many times". "Berkali-kali" would be "continuously". Still, there is another meaning for "kali". In Indonesian math lingo, "kali" means "times" or "multiplied by". Thus, "satu kali dua" would mean "one times two" or "one multiplied by two" or simply "1 x 2". -- __--__-- ource.net > > Hi!  Surprisingly, it seems that "Binakaw" sounds very similar to the name > of the crane-style Silat - "Bangaw". > > Was the style fully-developed indigenously in Laguna, or does it partially > trace its lineage to other foreign crane styles [eg. Silat > Bangaw, Southern White Crane Kung Fu, etc.]? > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Binakaw Eskrima/Bakaw Eskrima To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Kapatid Abon: Kumusta? Good to see you post regularly again. Yes, I chuckled when I saw "bangaw" which is of course no crane. So it appears only Paete and Lumban have this crane style, but I believe the poster also asks, did the creator of this form or style create it independently on his own (presumably seeing a crane fight), or was he influenced by some silat or kung-fu crane form or style that he saw or even knew? Salamat, kapatid. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com GatPuno@aol.com wrote: Hi,Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet I only heard"Binakaw" in Laguna, the Binakaw is adopted word from "Bakaw" meaning Crane. Bangaw to us in Tagalog it means large flies. So I believed that only exist in our Area in Laguna it's a particular style from Lumban, Laguna. Louisiana, and Majayjay seems like not using the names, Magdalena ang other town is not using the term also. Paete and Lumban, Laguna usaes them, but it would be noted also that on 1616, Paete is only a barrio of Lumban, Laguna. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com In a message dated 5/18/07 6:05:49 AM, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: > ource.net > > Hi! Surprisingly, it seems that "Binakaw" sounds very similar to the name > of the crane-style Silat - "Bangaw". > > Was the style fully-developed indigenously in Laguna, or does it partially > trace its lineage to other foreign crane styles [eg. Silat > Bangaw, Southern White Crane Kung Fu, etc.]? > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:34:12 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Inosanto and Kali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You're right on the dot Jay. It seems that present-day Buddhists in Southern India and Indonesia still name a substantial number of their progeny "Sanjaya". The name is no longer popular though among Malay Indonesians because most of them are no longer Buddhists. The name is still very popular, however, in the Buddhist Indonesian Chinese community. I have known two "Sanjayas" during my time in Indonesia and both of them have a slight resemblance to the American Idol Sanjaya... =[:;>] Present-day Cambodia and Laos used to be the Northeastern extremities of the SriVisayan Empire. Present-day Philippines constitute the Eastern boundaries of the Empire. Here is what Wikipedia says on "Angkor": "The Angkorian period may be said to have begun shortly after 800 A.D., when the Khmer King Jayavarman II announced the independence of Kambujadesa (Cambodia) from Java and established his capital of Hariharalaya at the northern end of Tonle Sap.... Over the next 300 years, between 900 and 1200 AD, the Khmer empire produced some of the world's most magnificent architectural masterpieces in the area known as Angkor.... The principal temple of the Angkorian region, Angkor Wat, was built between 1113 and 1150 by King Suryavarman II." It appears that the Angkor temples begun to be built right after the Jogjakarta temples were completed. The latter may have partly served as the inspiration for the former. I have never been to Angkor but based on the pictures I have seen, its structures are more similar to Prambanan (Hindu) rather than Borobodur (Buddhist). Borobodur is essentially an ornately-decorated pyramid similar to the Aztec and Mayan temples of Central America. I personally believe that the Illustrado Generation (ie. Rizal, Bonifacio, et. al.) has already given birth to the concept of Philippine Nationhood.... Nationhood, however, is a constinuously evolving process. I also personally believe that the strength of a nation is measured on how easy it is for external forces to make its citizens fight one another.... =[:->] > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 08:03:00 -0700 (PDT) > From: jay de leon > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Inosanto and Kali > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Is that the same king Sanjaya who was resurrected and ruled over > American Idol for a brief time? > > Seriously, how do the temples of Borobodur compare with the temples > of Angkor Wat in Cambodia? > > National identity for the Philippines is a complex issue that is at the > root > of many deep-seated problems, including graft and corruption, lack of > economic progress, etc. Some writers even claim that the Philippines > at this time has not even reached the status of a "nation." But this > discussion is for another forum. > > Jay de Leon > www.tipunan.com > > bgdebuque wrote: > The main reason why it is very hard for modern-day Filipinos to define > their > national identity is that they often fail or refuse to recognize the fact > that modern Filipino culture has actually 4 pillar cultures - Malay, > Spanish, American and Chinese: --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Pananandta@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:40:45 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Making your own training knives (Re: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #154 - 12 msgs) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Brandon, In my case, there was a time when I can only make wooden knives. So when I designed a throwing knife, I had to ask a couple of my students to make the metallic version. After they fabricated the knife, I sent it to a cutlery and got lucky. They produced and marketed the VM Bulalakaw with my name on it. (It is no longer being produced.) There was no good one-headed metallic ax in the market when I was writing my 2nd manuscript on knife throwing. Hence, I decided to design my throwing ax. Trouble was I did not know how to make one. So I asked one of my friends to make one for me. He did - after 8 months. That did it. I decided to make the "dang things". I couldn't wait another 8 months for one of my designs to get fabricated. Just to let you know, the first time I used a grinder, I got scared. I made all the "dang things" for my book The Art of Throwing which was recently released (January 2007). I guess "one plug deserves another" :-) Best. APMarinas Sr. In a message dated 5/19/2007 8:47:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Due to my inability to find what I considered to be suitable (read durable AND artistic) practice knives I have launched a cottage industry of making the dang things. If anyone is interested or just wants to send me hate mail for putting the word out here my e-mail is cutsandbruises_99@yahoo.com . I'm currently struggling to get my caveman brain to grasp the concept of a web page, so bear with me. I'll send pics and info ito any that are interested. Thanks all Brandon ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Alex Ercia" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:52:31 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Teovel Balintawak Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Guys! I am posting this to remind all so I can get all you guys to come to this Balintawak seminar. Spread the word. Here's the info: What: Teovel Balintawak Arnis Seminar with GrandMaster Nonato "Nene" Gaabucayan When: May 26, 2007 Saturday from 10:00 am - 4:00 pm Where: 4460 Hacienda Blvd. Pleasanton, CA Fees:$60 Spectators fee:$10 GM Nene's Background: *He started at a young age of 17 and received the title of Master in Teovel Balintawak Arnis at the age of 19 in 1978. Making him the youngest Balintawak master in history. *He was awarded the Teovel Balintawak Arnis Gold Chapter by GM Teofilo Velez. *He traveled to Germany and Switzerland to spread the art of Balintawak and became the first instructor for NECOPA. *He was the first filipino to do a demo at the BUDO meeting in 1988 in Switzerland. *He also trained in kickboxing and combat judo. The Pamana sa Mandirigma staff is inviting all the FMA enthusiasts to come and participate in this seminar. This is only the beginning. Hope to see all of you there. Below are some videoclips of GM Nene to give you an idea of his skillz! wink.gif http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCk341_5_CA Thanks. Alex Ercia _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You’ll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Afern27@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:05:58 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Kelari Province and Kalaripayattu Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gatka's approach sounds like a breath of fresh air. Working with your natural instincts from the outset, and just making small tweaks to them until combat efficacy is reached--how cool is that (assuming it really works?) Much different than the usual "impose unfamiliar patterns on the novice" approach. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 22:44:34 +0100 (BST) From: Jon Broster To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] German FMA festival & Sonny Umpad Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi, I was just watching tjhe Dog Brothers' new "Grandfathers Speak 2 - Sonny Umpad" (well worth checking out by the way). In it there is a little footage of Sonny teaching at the FMA festival in Germany a few years ago. Does anyone know if there is any video or DVD of the event available, and if so who is featured? Is Sonny on it? And where is it available from? Many thanks. Jon "There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife" http://www.pecahan.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest