Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 02:58:32 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #198 - 3 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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The reign of greed (Eskrima-FMA) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 08:23:26 -0700 (PDT) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: jay, filipinos who use KALI Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net some people might call it prejudice, or national pride, but i dont like to be seen arguing with a fellow filipino, just like i wont do it with a muslim, or even a family member or member of my school. but that does not mean i wont tell him face to face, that he is wrong. i believe in the importance of showing strength by keeping in-fighting behind close doors. many of my friends know this, that even though someone is friends with me, i will argue him about thinks like seminar, 3 year black belts, even non-martial arts things like disrepecting his wife or something. i agree with the pro-war people, that protestors weaken the country. but there is always times that we need to weaken to get rid of something that hurts us. i believe that some of these filipinos using KALI might be nice guys. but i have to question the honesty of one who is twisting facts and history, even words to support something they know is not true. example, kali ilustrisimo. i remember i read somewhere, maybe in the philippines, that antonio ilustrisimo said his students been asking him to call it "kali", this was about 1990. well, he said his art is arnis-eskrima in this interview. guess what, he died and everyone is saying "kali ilustrisimo". the bullshit bout "KALIS ilustrisimo", this came years later, and we all know the story about that. wonder why the name change? money. pride. arrogance. i agree with what you said about american students who defend kali, especially when they start telling things about language that i guess because i am not educated i cant possible know about my own culture and language. but you know, i dont want to blame the students. a good student will defend his teacher no matter what, unless the teacher is doing illegal things nothing wrong with that. especially when somebody criticise his own teacher your not going to get anyone to listen. the teacher, of course, convinced the student that "i am the best, and the most knowledgeable, dont listen to those guys". this might sound like garbage to somebody who does not understand martial philosophy, but nothing wrong with that either. i think the students of KALI _should_ defend it, because it is what there teacher told them, and what they believe. and this is what the martial arts is about--somebody else trying to disprove what you been taught, and you defending it. apply that to fighting technique, philosophy, history, reputation, even stupid things like what to call the art. ;-) but the Kali argument is not really about what to call the art, is it? no for me its about truth in history. i will accept the argument of a guy like mark denny , who was TAUGHT kali, then i will from, like the sayocs or gaje, who came up with it. Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Filipinos using Kali To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Guro Maurice: I agree with the point you are making. That is the ugly side of kali. I condemn the practice, but I personally would hesitate criticizing anybody in particular, having been far removed from the Philippine scene for a long time now. Take Yuli Romo, for instance. I do not know if he belongs to that group. Although one of the pillars of Kali or Kalis Ilustrisimo, he now flies under his own banner of Sugbu Baraw. I am not sure if that banner is still cut from the same cloth as kali, or Kali Ilustrisimo, or muslim or indigenous tribal Filipino. And he seems to have been forever wearing those Muslim-looking clothes (could be indigenous tribal). In the interest of full disclosure, I happen to know and like Yuli Romo--a very down-to-earth, engaging individual. I do not personally know the others in your list. The other point I like to make is, I make a distinction between the kali believers in the Phil. and the U.S. I feel that most of the American kali believers in the U.S. are those that have always known their FMA as kali. I consider them as honest and true believers of kali, but a few of them have gotten suckered into defending the kali claim in the Phil. and as a result, gotten tarnished with the same brush. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:38:39 -0700 From: "Gajo, Mario" To: Subject: [Eskrima] Grand Master Cacoy Canete's San Diego Seminar Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net BABAO ARNIS ACADEMY presents ESKRIDO ESKRIMA SEMINAR By the founder Grand Master Cacoy Canete Saturday, July 28, 2007 9:30am to 4:00pm $65 - Pre-registered by July 7, 2007 $75 at the door Cepeda-Abueg Martial Arts Studio 6506 El Cajon Blvd, San Diego CA 92115, (619)583-0753 No spectators and video cameras allowed For Pre-registration contact: Directions: *Grand Master Narrie Babao From south-bound I-5 or 805 Frwy (619) 470-2943 Go east on 8 Frwy narrie_b@hotmail.com Exit College Ave * Guro Narrison Babao Turn right on college Ave (southbound) (619) 246-5760 Turn left on El Cajon Blvd (eastbound) *Guro Joe Abueg Turn left on Aragon Dr. (619) 583-0753 The studio will be inside the shopping center Application and Waiver Form I, the undersigned, and my assignees waive and release "Cacoy" Canete, the Eskrido Doce Pares Federation, Babao-Arnis Academy, Cepeda Abueg Martial Arts Stduio, it's employees, representatives, members and participants from all rights and claims for any damages suffered by me while participating and traveling to and from this event. Including the use of any authorized equipment or facility sponsored by the Cepeda Abueg Martial Arts Studio. Name (print) ___________________________ Tel. (area code) __________________ Address ___________________________ City_________________ Zip___________ Signature ___________________________________ Date____________________ * If below 18 yrs old, signature of parent or guardian [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/jpeg which had a name of image002.jpg] --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:07:23 -0700 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] The reign of greed Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The reign of greed Raul Valino, Jun 20, 2007 Philippine News Sorry, folks, but our column for today is neither about Jose Rizal of Calamba, Laguna whose birthday falls on June 19, nor of the Reign of Greed, one of two famous novels he wrote in Spanish during the first invasion of the Philippines. The original Spanish title of this Rizal novel was El Filibusterismo, but it seemed that whoever translated it to English with the new title of Reign of Greed did not know the difference between the Spanish and English titles. Maybe, and maybe only, the Spanish term "filibusterismo" did not suit well in the mind of the translator, whoever he was. Filibusterismo was about a rebellion, actually a revolution, nipped in the bud by the author himself. It was too bad Rizal never had the opportunity to rebel against the change in the title of his novel. Why Reign of Greed instead of El Filibusterismo? Was it politically inappropriate to retain the original title because it might give the students the impression that the novel was seditious in character which was the first goal of Rizal until he had second thoughts about the matter? Am I veering away from the original intent of this column aptly entitled "Reign of Greed?" WHERE WAS I? No, but if I may continue the interruption. Back in college, and even earlier in high school, we were told that Jose Rizal was chosen by the Americans, then our colonizers, over Apolinario Mabini and a few other doves, because he was for reforms, not for revolutions. Granting, a few of us chorused, as almost nobody questioned the authority of our professors and teachers, excluding my history and Rizal Prof. Bert Aquitania of the Arellano Law School who was definitely not pro-Emilio Aguinaldo. Bert -- because he is now plain Citizen Bert of San Francisco as he has already retired from teaching -- took pains in inculcating in the minds of his students that the real hero of the revolution was Andres Bonifacio and not Emilio Aguinaldo despite his face on the P500-bill and, at the back, the images of President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and his father President Diosdado Macapagal who decreed that the June 12 independence day of Aguinaldo was the real thing. That was history and politics combined, this Aguinaldo proclamation. It was also during the time of greed when vast landholdings became the exclusive property of Spain and of the Catholic Church to the exclusion of the natives. Citizen Bert should meet activist Prof. Cesar Torres of the University of the Philippines and of San Francisco. They're both very outspoken when it comes to love of country. But that's another topic, though related. My mentors guessed -- that was all they could do as textbooks were like bibles to them, never to be assailed, even now under the Department of Education despite their grammar, factual errors and misspellings – that America wanted Filipinos not to become violent in settling issues such as colonialism and civil liberties. Bonifacio was not even on the list of hero candidates. There were probably 12 heroes who made it to the magic slate, but not the magic slate in the dirty dozen blockbuster movie or the 12 senatorial candidates where a dirty magical canvassing of the Maguindanao votes occurred. Would you believe that even Lapu-Lapu, the first successful anti-colonialism figure of this archipelago, was also never considered by the American governor-general when he nominated the 12 or so hero hopefuls to that enviable position? WHERE WAS I AGAIN? Where was I again? Oh, about the Reign of Greed and Jose Rizal, if I am not mistaken. My belief since high school was that Rizal and Bonifacio should have dueled for first honor and I would not have regretted a single moment even if one of them would eventually lose the honor. It could have been a Thrilla in Manila, Rizal, dueling with his sword, as he was a world-class swordsman, and Bonifacio with his native bolo. Or a three-corner fight with Lapu-Lapu, said to be the originator of arnis, a martial art weapon when Mactan was still an island-state like today's Singapore. Where was I? Oh, my profs in college, excluding my mentor Prof. Bert Aquitania. Thus, my profs said, only the reformists were included in the selection for the national hero. But my fellow classmates chorused again: Why is George Washington considered the national hero of America? He revolted against England and waged a bloody war he and his comrades later won. "That's double standard, ma'am!" Then, the prof asked: "Do you want to pass this subject or not? If you continue questioning me about what's written on the textbooks, I'll have to ask you to excuse yourself, and don't ever ask for an excuse slip." "Your slip is showing, ma'am," we roared. The lady prof promptly walked out. "We're finished!" we told ourselves. But where was I again? Oh, the Reign of Greed. I almost forgot. The kind of greed that's reigning up to this day, whether you're in Congress or other high places, or in Maguindanao where the signs of cheating were everywhere, despite Rizal, Bonifacio and Lapu-Lapu. And the textbook anomaly in the Philippines. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest