Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2007 02:58:31 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #200 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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New Balintawak instruction video on the way (World Nickelstick Eskrima Club) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 10:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] three sayings Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i want to share three sayings with you, what do you thing: "when the student is ready, the teacher will begin" and "the ignorant says, its hard to find a good teacher. experience says, its hard to find a good student" and "a master is lucky to find the best student in his lifetime" as a teacher, who does this for a living, i spend most of my time looking for the right student. many of my own students knows that, i reject students all the time, when i know they are going to waste my time or their time. but i have to balance that with, hey i gotta make money. so i struggle with teaching the way i feel best for the fighters, and teaching in a way that students will stay. there is many times, that, a guy comes to our school from a seminar background telling me, he wants the real thing, but then he leaves because training is too hard, or he doesnt like to spar, or learning is too slow, or because i dont give rank fast enough. some teachers never think of these things. i consider them teachers who just teach the art, and they dont care if these guys are not the best fighters around. which means, anyone can get a teaching certificate from him. other teachers are different. you will only become an expert under him if you are one of the best, and this teacher is struggling to make his fighters the best. students of the igorant kind, thinks he can judge if a teacher is good or not. how does he do this? by fighting him? of course not, so he looks at other things, like if this teacher is popular--does he write books? do seminars? does he have an association that pumps him up? does he hold certificates? does he show "impressive" demonstrations of skill? it is easy for a teacher who knows "tricks" (fancy and difficult drills, disarmings, and prearranged defense). many students wants to know this tricks, so he can show other people. and i call them the ignorant ones, just like the teachers. see, combat, does not depend on those tricks. it depends on things like reflexes, mental and physical toughness, and striking and destructive power. if a students wants a demo, give him a demo of your power, or spar with him. but you see, the ignorant student doesnt want that, its too painful. impatient students will never learn in my school. the more you bug me to "see" the rest of the system, the less i will show you. for some students, they been here 6 months, and the teacher never appeared for them. sometimes a student can be in my school for 3 years, and because he has changed his attitude, i disappear. how many teachers really understand that? not many, because by 3 years, your student has already graduated. he probably has his own club too. here is a test, i gave to a gentleman i met a few weeks ago who is a teacher. he asked me, is his certificates equal with mine. (actually i dont give certificates). i told him, NO. he was offended because who am i? he studied with the most well known teachers around, he never heard of any of my teachers. so i asked him if he is willing to prove his worth to me by crossing sticks, or playing hands--of course not. then i asked him, is he willing to bring his boys down to my school to prove there worth against mine. he said, depends of the level of my guys. this proved my point. he has to ask. if he has to ask, why do they have black belts, right? i dont ask, because i dont care. does this mean my guys never got beat? no. but i am not afraid to see them lost a fight. shit once, one student even broke my hand. i met teachers who became very old men, and they are still holding parts of their system because they have no one to show it to. its not that there folks out there who dont want to learn it--the teacher doesnt have any student he wants to teach it to. in my kung fu style, i teach, i know more than 40 forms, but in 15 years of business i have never taught more than 10 of them. when masters take secrets (yes, there are many secrets in the martial arts. those who say there are none, just dont know them) to the grave, there is a good reason why. teachers teach, a master develops. there is a big difference. if a master told me, he has a hundred black belter students, i can show you at least 90 that cant hold a stick. even the best well known masters around will be lucky to have 10 true dedicated students, and maybe 5 of the dedicated ones will excel enough to be good representatives. teaching, is easy. you can teach anyone, but the hard part is developing that students to the point, you will put your money on him against ANYBODY. when you give somebody a certificate saying, he's a master, you have just put your money, your reputation on the line, saying, he is one of the best. be careful when picking students, and be extra careful when you give them your endorsement. they cant carry your reputation with them into the ring. go ahead, send your fireworks! > ) --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:46:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Kessler To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Blade identification Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Folks - this showed up at an archery club raffle, described as a "moro blade". I was the lucky winner :-) I need some help identifying it, and figured that given the depth of expertise on this list, someone would know what it's called and where it's from. http://inayanmartialarts.com/gallery/moro_01.jpg Overall length is 23", blade is 17.5" Handle appears to be kamagong, carving is rough but the feel in the hand is very good. Thanks for any insights you can provide. JK --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 12:55:48 -0700 (PDT) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FW: three sayings response Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i want to foward a private email that came to me about this subject competition is still fighting. take a streetfight. are you going to *kill* your opponent? how about if you got into a fight with a neighbor? are you going to try to break his neck? probably not. this is no different than fighting with rules. the whole idea of "tournaments are not the street" is created by men who are afraid of tournaments, or they didnt do good in them. this "well, its not the street" is there way of making excuse for losing. every fight, even streetfights, have rules and limits. the truth is, competition fighting gives you skills that even a real fight cannot give you practice overcoming fear development of timing ability to think development of timing and reflex different kinds of opponents to learn any man who builds his reputation by talking about a bunch of streetfights (or fights in prison), i'll show you a liar, or a man who is not mature enough to be a martial arts teacher, so he must be lying too. want to test his truthfulness? challenge him to a match right on the spot. he will never accept. really, competition is needed to develop fighting skills to a high level. yes, its not the street, but all those drills and punching bags and sparring with classmates is farther away. there is no way to prepare for a kill or die streetfight using the exact same situation. you need as much sparring, and as much different kinds of sparring, you can get. i have never met a good point fighter who cant fight. the people who say billy blanks cant fight are the same couch potatos who say floyd maywether cant fight either give me a break. people even say KIMBO can't fight! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdJk7hqQtG8) ask a cop, how many people have he shot, he will probably tell you none. ask a soldier how many people did he shot, he will probably tell you none too. so how does he know that he can fight with a gun? training prepares them for the real thing. the better trained they are, and the more training they get, the more successful he is going to be at "the show". but hide him from the training and simulated combat, he will freeze like a kata champion in the octogan. XXXX XXXX wrote: Nice write-up Sifu! Something that has always kind of daunted me a bit is my "fighting" ability. I've NEVER been in a fight in my life. I've been close a few times, but have defused the situation and walked away. Because I have never been in a fight, how will I know I can "fight"? Competition fighting is not the same! You don't have the fear of a real fight, the same adrenaline rush of "oh my god, I can't make a mistake or I could seriously pay for it". Competition can make you better in certain aspects, but it's not quite the same. I've competed in sports, and know that kind of rush of trying your best and pushing yourself. I've competed in one-on-one and three-on-three basketball tournaments, against, bigger/taller/faster/better guys than me. It will be the same as competing in a MA tournament I think for someone like myself, who has never been in a fight, will always be questioned as to their fighting ability, their REAL fighting ability, no pads, no rules, no judges, no referee's, and will always be criticized as can fight in a tournament with rules and pads, but what about "for reals"?! Guess that's something I'll have to overcome at some point in time! --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 16:49:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Bee Landrum Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Decuerdas Eskrima To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hello, Grand Master Art Gonzales of stockton is the successor of decuerdas escrima and is a phenominal teacher . He was a direct student of Grandmaster Tenio and was presented the art by Grandmaster Tenio's son Richard Tenio when he retired. There are a lot of phonies out there but Art Gonzales is the real deal if you would like to contact him call me at 916 628 9885 thanks hope i can help Bee Landrum James Judy wrote: Does anyone here have any knowledge on Decuerdas Eskrima from Gilbert Tenio? Who is currently reputable in the art, after GM Tenio's passing? ____________________________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Bee Landrum Sensei Danzan Ryu Jujitsu Argue not your limitations, For without argument, you set no limits! --------------------------------- Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on Yahoo! Travel. --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FW: three sayings response To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:50:11 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > competition is still fighting. take a streetfight. are you going to *kill* > your opponent? Yes, that could unfortunately occur. > how about if you got into a fight with a neighbor? are you going to try to > break his neck? Am I in fear for my life? Or the life of a loved one? > the whole idea of "tournaments are not the street" is created by men who > are afraid of tournaments, or they didnt do good in them. Reminds me a bit of the standard GJJ/BJJ claim; "if you can't beat one person then how can you ever expect to beat two or three". There is limited, yet a wee bit of truth in these statements. Tournaments have their place. There are things to learn. But one may also very easily develop a false sense of superiority thinking that just because they 'kill' people in tournaments will mean they will do likewise in a street encounter. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "World Nickelstick Eskrima Club" To: Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 12:25:49 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] New Balintawak instruction video on the way Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, thought maybe you may want to take a look. There is a set of Balintawak Eskrima instruction videos on the way, enter the store for details and the trailer. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/malcolmk/ Malcolm K. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest