Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 02:58:30 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #203 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Shotokan and TSD - Filipino style, Grandmaster Casimiro (james jr. sy) 2. Re: three sayings / robert (Robert Klampfer) 3. New Custom Baston Maker (B Katz) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 21:19:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Shotokan and TSD - Filipino style, Grandmaster Casimiro To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Sir Terry, Yes, training was under the supervision of Kwan Jang Nim Hwang Kee. I remeber Master Montoyo relating to me a story bout Kwan Jang. During the times when MDK was battling the Korean Government in court over its independence from the TKD movement, a hand grenade was thrown to Kwan Jang Hwang Kee's home. Goof thing he was not injured. To you Sir Terry and all the Tang Soo Doists here, Tang Soo! James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. Ray wrote: FWIW, it seems this training would have been very MDK focused, given the date and org names given. By this time in Korea (1968) the vast majority of the top 'karate' masters were affiliated with Taekwondo, not Tang Soo Do, since Taekwondo had the backing of the Korean government. Being a MDKer myself, my guess is that this training would have been under MDK founder Hwang Kee and would have taken place in his school next to the Seoul City train station. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --------------------------------- Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:00:46 -0400 From: "Robert Klampfer" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: three sayings / robert Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > are you robert klampfer? in north carolina? im asking because i will be in raleigh this summer to teach. < Yes, it's me. I'm in Charlotte, NC, about 2-1/2 hours from Raleigh, 6-1/2 or so from DC. > you have to understand, not everyone is willing to share martial arts knowledge with just anyone, just because you paid for the seminar < Agreed. I certainly don't think there's an obligation to teach. I just don't buy the line about not being able to find anyone capable or worthy of being taught. And referencing never having taught anyone the "secrets" as a source of pride seems ridiculous to me. It's almost like saying "look at the things I've never done". Why even mention it? And who said anything about seminars...? You might have me confused with someone else if you're implying that I come from a seminar circuit. > sometimes, people been living behind teachers, reputations and computers too long. this is bad for the martial artists, because it makes the martial artist closet cowards, mouthy only in public, never face to face. so you have FMA people bad mouth each other in forms, magazine articles, and with their friends. you forget there is real people out there. sometimes you talk trash so much, you forget there's people out there who will back his trash up. < I don't disagree. I'm sure most of us know people like that. It's not just in the martial arts world, either. It's just that it seems like it's about 10 times more prevalent in the martial arts. I post under my real name so that if I write something with which people disagree they can tell me, or if I disagree with them they'll know it's me. I think it would be rude to do otherwise. You made your post to the ED, I disagreed (pretty strongly) with most of it, so I replied. I'd have said the same things if we were sitting in the same room together. > this is one of the problems with "selling" martial arts. people learn to swing sticks, but not much more than that. and, too many people have rank that do not deserve it. if you dont agree with that, FMA is in bad shape. < Well, I don't sell anything and I'm certainly not one to judge whether or not someone other than those I train deserves anything. What people do with/to their own systems is their business. I do what I do and simply don't associate with anyone who proves themselves to be a clown. > you know many people who been in life or death fights? sailors? come on! ... how did you get to meet so many people who fought to the death? < Nobody said anything about "fighting to the death". There we have speaking in absolutes again. "Life or death" implies "win, or possibly die". It doesn't necessarily involve killing in order to win. Yes, believe it or not, sailors can fight and die just like anyone else. Why would you scoff at that? I always had sailors attached to my units in the Marines. They fought and bled just like everyone else. Interestingly enough, they even bled the same shade of red. I'm fortunate to know a lot of people as a result of my profession and a lot of traveling. Martial arts training is an applied skill for me. > freddie roach boxing record was 39 wins, 13 losses... teddy atlas record was 85 wins, 9 losses. emanual steward was 94 wins, 3 losses. so what's your point? do you believe that a man who doesnt know how to fight can teach others to fight? you been looking at the internet too long. some people think because they heard some great trainers couldnt fight, they can do it too. maybe its true, but its not a good idea. < I like that you're apparently a fan of boxing. Me too. As you mentioned, Freddie Roach was a good, but not great, fighter. Lennox Lewis, not Teddy Atlas, had the 85-9 record. Atlas trained Lewis, among others, but never fought professionally himself. Likewise, Emanuel Steward's record was as an amateur. Granted, he probably would have been a good professional but, the world will never know. Do I think that someone who doesn't know how to fight can teach others to fight? Certainly not. But that wasn't my point. I do think that someone who has never been in a fight or who is not a champion fighter can teach others to be great fighters, provided that they were well-trained themselves. Anyway, I chimed in to give my opinions, for better or worse. I don't know that there's anything to gain by continuing our discussion on the ED. My email address is listed at the top of this message. But, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on a few things. Robert --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 12:46:12 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] New Custom Baston Maker Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yes this is a shameless plug for my tiny little wood shop. I invite you all to stop by and take a look. www.eskrimacustoms.com Let me know what you think. I'm not long (3 or so years) into my FMA life and can take a whack, be it verbal or with a stick. Thanks to all for helping me find my Way. Salamat Brandon --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest