Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 02:58:30 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #204 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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RE: Kali - River (Eskrima de Campo JDC-IO U.S.A.) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Ron Balicki" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 06:04:54 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Grand Junction Colorado Martial Arts Camp August Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, Just wanted to invite everyone on the digest to our Martial art Training camp that we are having in Grandjunction, CO. The date of the camp is August 24th to the 27th. The seminar will feature: Willie Laureano, Michael O'Laskey and myself Ron Balicki. We will have classes in: Capoeria, Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Maphilindo Silat Filipino Kali Lameco Escrima Thai Boxing Shoot Wrestling and Mixed Martial Arts If you can attend that would be great. If you could let people know about it that would be great also. Checkout my webpage for more details www.ronbalicki.com Also, Troy Miller (High Desert MartialArts Academy) Will be holding a weapons fighting tournament Saturday the 25th of August after camp ends for the day. You can write to troy at: troym@frontier.net Thanks Ron Balicki Martial Arts Research Systems _________________________________________________________________ Picture this – share your photos and you could win big! http://www.GETREALPhotoContest.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us --__--__-- Message: 2 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:23:02 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Grand Junction Colorado Martial Arts Camp August To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Excellent! Thank you. Heather Heather MonDee, Lead Instructor CCA & Denver-Metro AMA Denver Colorado USA _www.denverama.com_ (http://www.denverama.com/) 303.758.9383 ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Steve Klement Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:40:49 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: New Custom Baston Maker Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am the proud owner of one of these sticks and could not be more happy with it! There is a small review on the Inayan Forums. End result is I highly recommend Mr. Katz's work based on the one I have so far. The Martial Art with an "edge"... -- Tagaturo Klement www.inayan.com www.inayan.com/forums Inayan School of Eskrima > From: B Katz > Subject: [Eskrima] New Custom Baston Maker > > Yes this is a shameless plug for my tiny little wood shop. I invite > you all to stop by and take a look. www.eskrimacustoms.com Let me > know what you think. I'm not long (3 or so years) into my FMA life > and can take a whack, be it verbal or with a stick. > > Thanks to all for helping me find my Way. > > Salamat > > Brandon --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:22:58 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Combatives against FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 01:24 PM 6/25/2007, you wrote: >You will probably find that he feeds off drama and creating >turmoil....opinions are like poo holes, everyone has one, some leak crap....LOL > >He probably wants everyone in the FMA community to ban his DVD's so he can >call himself a Renegade....he's just trying to create hype for his >product....ignore him but in a good way Yeah, and I'm reaching the point where if I know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it, I don't think I should have to justify it to anybody; I'm not going to change which martial arts I practice because of what someone on the 'net says. --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:23:14 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Combatives against FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 01:37 PM 6/25/2007, you wrote: >Better still, read his website and marketing hyperbole. > I did; I had flashbacks to those uncannily similar full page ads in Black Belt. Wonder if he's behind some of them? > Have a beer first. > Un(?)fortunately, I don't drink. But chocolate chip cookies are a good substitute. :) > And have a bottle of RID on hand - I hear it's good for nits... > Yeah, but can you clean it off a computer screen? :) --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 12:59:21 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] three sayings Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This may be an oversimplification but, it appears to me that, the Teacher and Fighter profiles differ mainly with respect to the following traits: 1. Athletic Ability - the "must" trait if you want to be a professional Fighter 2. Communication Skills - the "must" trait if you want to be a Teacher The success of a professional Fighter will be judged by the number of his wins. The success of a Teacher will be judged by the volume of knowledge he/she has successfully transferred to his/her students. With respect to performance in an actual life or death scenario, there are just too many variables involved to make an objective generalization. In recent Southeast Asian history though, there are 2 career teachers who made quite a name for themselves doing actual fighting: 1. Gen. Sudirman - hero of the Indonesian war of Independence (ex-Public School Teacher) 2. Gen. Vo Nguyenh Giap - hero of Vietnam's wars of Independence (ex-History Teacher) Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 14:00:46 -0400 > From: "Robert Klampfer" < balintawak.arnis@gmail.com> > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: three sayings / robert > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Do I think that someone who doesn't know how to fight can teach others to > fight? Certainly not. But that wasn't my point. I do think that someone > > who has never been in a fight or who is not a champion fighter can teach > others to be great fighters, provided that they were well-trained > themselves. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Mark Harrell" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:10:16 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Kali - River Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net James Jr. Sy wrote:     " You may not understand the frustrations of a Filipino because it is not your culture." I agree with you. "When the September 11 tragedy happened, the Americans were the ones most shocked and hurt.  Even if other nations sympathized with them, no other race can comprehend and appreciate the real pain the Americans felt during those times.  The same is true with the Kali myth.  Westerners may not give a fuss about it (it’s just a name) but for Filipinos it’s another story." Although your "Kali Myth" to 911 comparison is not in my opinion a fair or accurate one in part because of the large scale loss of inocent life. I seriously doubt that the "Kali Myth" has killed anyone or at least not large numbers of inocent people. That being said, I do however understand the point you are trying to make and in fact I agree that your feelings as a Filipino wouild be much stronger than a Westerner.     "The Kali myth is largely a 20th Century phenomenon whereas the other martial arts myths were developed centuries ago, especially those involving Bodhidharma. Since it is a relatively new myth it is still easier to disprove as opposed to debunking it a century or millennium after. " I agree with you on that...  I have found that the creation of myths and legends is a human tendancy in many areas of life. As we all know the martial arts is just one area that has a rich history of myths and legends... In more modern times the stories about how the founder of Aikido - Morihei Ueshiba, 1883 to 1969 was enlightened about his creation of Aikido, or the founder of Bukuti Negara Pentjak Silat - Paul De Thouars and how he received his vision of a new style of Silat in a dream, etc. etc....  It would seem that this tradition of creating a story that gives the founder of something some type of divine revelation, or a vision or dream.     " I’m just one of several Filipino researchers who are working on debunking this myth.  Dr. ned Nepangue and Celestino Macachor had already finished their book and the book will surely start people thinking.  As this continues, I think more Filipinos will go out of the woodwork." Is this book going to have an English translation for the West ?       " Since we differ in our focus, I hope that somebody here at ED can supply you with the things you want to know.  Good luck."      I hope you find the scientific proof that you are searching for.  If you come across any ancient terms that pre-date the Hispanic influence please share your research with the rest of us. Thank you for your insights and knowledge. Peace be with you, Mark Harrell         ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: "Stephen Lamade" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:57:11 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Body Mechanics DVD Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My friend and teacher Bill Schettino has just put out the first in a series of DVD's that describe his personal martial art: Estacada. The first DVD is devoted to the mechanics of punching. Following is a brief description of Bill and his art: Following is a slightly revised post that I made on another forum a while back after someone asked me for more information about Estacada: “Thanks for the opportunity to discuss one of my favorite martial arts and martial artists. Estacada is a form of internal boxing developed by William (Bill) Schettino. It has a boxing/Thai boxing framework, but the movements (punches, kicks, elbows, knees, etc.) are grounded upon the same kinds of internal body mechanics that you'd find in Xing Yi or Ba Gua, etc. In addition, it has a grappling (locks, throws, and destructions) and weapons curriculum that uses the exact same body mechanics, so that everything that is done in the system is basically an expression of the same set of principles. [Note: Bill was introduced to FMA's by Tom Bisio and is an advisor to the San Miguel Eskrima Association. His stick and sword skills are phenomenal.] I consider Bill to be a "coach's coach" with respect to his ability to take any martial artist and help them to do what they already do at a significantly higher level. He teaches primarily one-on-one but will teach small group seminars if asked. Quite a few MMA fighters go to Bill for coaching and I know that several members of a national LEO contacted Bill for specialized training a few years ago, because they felt the empty hands training they had received was not adequate. Speaking solely for myself: I have a modest set of skills and yet Bill always makes me feel like a 220 pound hunk of wood as he chases me around the room doing his version of "push hands." Estacada-Kajukenbo is simply Estacada placed upon a Kajukenbo foundation. Bill spent several years in San Diego learning directly under Sijo Emperado; he kept the hard hitting, "monkey line," format, but uses Estacada principles to teach a series of 52 "sets" that comprise the basis of instruction up until Black Belt level. It's a profound expression of Kajukenbo very much in line with Sijo's original intention (and has received his enthusiastic endorsement). An immodest plug: Bill is coming out with a series of DVD's that provide an introduction to Estacada and Estacada-Kajukenbo. A word of caution is necessary: these will not your typical commercial DVD's that promise to turn you into a monster and include every "secret" technique under the sun. They are (and especially the first, introductory DVD) basic, fundamental descriptions of the body mechanics of the system. Most people will find them boring and will not "get them" - especially since most of the applications are performed at half-speed to emphasize the quality of the movements. But if you have a good eye and can appreciate integrity you can learn a lot from them. It was Bill's misfortune (or fortune) to be born a 16th century man in the 20th century - but I figured that most of you on this forum will appreciate him.” Best, Steve Lamade _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 11:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Combatives against FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Absolutely. I'm a big fan of firsthand info. I *know* from firsthand experience that my training works for me. I may look at what other people do and train with them if I think it's good stuff but it'll be supplemental to my core. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Gallagher To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2007 12:22:58 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Combatives against FMA At 01:24 PM 6/25/2007, you wrote: >You will probably find that he feeds off drama and creating >turmoil....opinions are like poo holes, everyone has one, some leak crap....LOL > >He probably wants everyone in the FMA community to ban his DVD's so he can >call himself a Renegade....he's just trying to create hype for his >product....ignore him but in a good way Yeah, and I'm reaching the point where if I know what I'm doing and why I'm doing it, I don't think I should have to justify it to anybody; I'm not going to change which martial arts I practice because of what someone on the 'net says. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 10 From: "Eskrima de Campo JDC-IO U.S.A." To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Kali - River Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 20:09:32 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mark Harrell wrote: < Is this book going to have an English translation for the West ?  > The book is available in the United States. if you are interested please feel free to contact me. Jason Trainer Los Angeles Chapter, United States Eskrima De Campo JDC-IO www.EskrimaDeCampo.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Make every IM count. Download Messenger and join the i’m Initiative now. It’s free. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. 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