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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2400 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. The Language/Dialect of Guro Inosanto’s Father (james jr. sy) 2. Kali Records (james jr. sy) 3. Re: And to the proposition part three (james jr. sy) 4. Re: Number of dialects (james jr. sy) 5. karatefication or arnisification (james jr. sy) 6. FMA Names, Pre-Hispanic Filipino Writing (james jr. sy) 7. Re: Teachers and Fighters (bgdebuque) 8. Re: And to the proposition for which it stands (james jr. sy) 9. Re: Number of dialects (jay de leon) 10. 12th Karambunal sa Davao set (Eskrima-FMA) 11. h2h combat (Eskrima-FMA) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] The Language/Dialect of Guro Inosanto’s Father Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Pat Davies wrote on 14 May 2007: “I understand he got this History element from his father. The academy is called the Inosanto Academy not for him but in respect for his familly who helped him set up his school.” “i have already mentoned the incident when he asked his mother the meaning of a term that Lacoste used which confused many different dialect speakers till his mother used his fathers dialect - imagine that - LaCoste using his fathers dialect to teach the young Inosanto out of respect for his father.” 4 Jun 2007: “i have recounted early on how Lacoste refferred to terms to the young inosanto by using terms in the elder fathers dialect - a term not readily recognised by a variety of residents familiar with many different dialects.” I’ve just found out that Guro Inosanto’s father was from Panay and he spoke Illongo. We know Kali is “to dig” in Ilonggo. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:34:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] Kali Records Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Pat, When this thread was started, it was emphasized that the main issue was: the HISTORICAL VALUE of the term Kali (relative to all the claims attached to it) and not its EFFECTIVITY as an art. Somewhere along the discussion, the issue has been forcibly sidetracked as: the EXISTENCE AND ORIGIN of the term kali in the Philippines My post on May 5, 2007 reads, “Kali does exist but not in ancient Philippines as it is hyped. It exists as a modern coinage. Kali does exist but not as the mother art of all FMA as is often claimed otherwise Filipinos will be using the term and there won’t be any debate on the term’s historical personality (i.e. age, origin, etc.).” Another post on June 17, 2007 read, “The issue is not that the term “Kali did not exist in the Philippines” because the term did exist in the different languages/dialects but not in reference to FMA.” “The issue is “Kali as used as an ancient name for a martial art or Mother Art” do not have any historical, literary, archaeological, hoplological, anthropological, linguistic, etc. basis except for the chapter on Mirafuente’s Maikling Kasaysayan ng Arnis, which in itself do not have any bibliography or references. (Which was strange considering that the book by Yambao was published by the University of the Philippines Press.)” Several Filipino languages/dialects with the term Kali have been visited and established that they have nothing to do with FMA. This is a fact attested to by native speakers of Filipino languages/dialects. If native speakers could not attest to the authenticity of the fabled ancient Kali name, would it be possible that non-native speakers would know more than them? Kali is “to dig” in Ilonggo, Karay-a, and Ilocano. Kali is not known to the Filipino Muslims in Mindanao. Kali, as in the contraction of kamot lihok as defined in the Villabrille Kali system, was never part of the Cebuano lexicon for FMA. Was it? Did ancient Cebuanos used contractions? (Contractions are from the English language that I know you’ll agree to.) We know that the kamot lihok came from GM Villabrille but now we are informed that the use of the term Kali in the US was based on the teachings of GM LaCoste. Did Buenaventura Mirafuente use the kamot lihok etymology? If no, what was his etymology of the word Kali? Did Mirafuente claim that Kali was the Mother Art of the all FMA? If Kali did exist as an ancient term for FMA, why didn’t Mirafuente use the term for his art? How can Mirafuente, who was from Luzon, use a Cebuano term i.e. kamot lihok when we know Tagalogs, like other ethnic groups in the Philippines, are proud of their regional identity? If he was referring to the arts used by the Cebuanos during the arrival of the Spaniards, where would the Tagalog arts fall into the picture? Or why didn’t Placido Yambao named his book Mga Karunungan sa Larong KALI? Why haven’t the ultra mega patriotic Dr. Jose P. Rizal, the national hero of the Philippines, mention Kali in any of his novels which depicted war, his autobiographies, letters to his families, and other documents? (I can guarantee you there was none. Rizal was required study in the elementary, high school, and collegiate level of Philippine education). The Spanish chroniclers were quite meticulous (you’ll know what I mean if you’ve read their records. Pigafetta, for one, recorded Kampilan as a specific type of blade used by the Mactan defenders (sorry, no mention of Kali) and described how the natives pierced the phalluses of their penises. Now if you insist on the assumption that the Spaniards did not mention Kali in their records just for the sake that the Filipino martial tradition will be erased, how then could the Spaniards have banned Kali to the Filipino people without naming it in the 1764 decree, if there was indeed one? By far, one more often quoted myth that has yet to be touched in this thread is Lapu-Lapu’s association with Kali the Ancient Mother Art. I’ll leave it to you to read it in Cebuano Escrima: Beyond the Myth by Dr. Ned R. Nepangue and Celestino C. Macachor. It is available online at Xlibris. As with your declaration that “while it is important to be historically correct the fables of the blind princess give a wealth to the art and the country as a whole,” I want to ask: How did the Philippines benefit from that myth? What is this wealth you’ve been saying? Is the wealth you’re talking about more important than being historically correct, thus we will continue propagating this fable/myth? Now that it was proven that the blind princess did not exist, would you continue to believe and propagate it? As a teacher of FMA, is it morally appropriate to do so? If you, as you posted, “fully accept that and condemn” countless attempts at forcing the term to become one with Filipino culture, what is your stand with the blind princess? You yourself have said that Arnis/Eskrima “can never be dilluted systems.” But why do we still have a lot of degrading statements on Arnis/Esklrima from Kali people? As a concerned exponent of FMA, what are you doing about this? Pat, the records and first account testimonies have revealed so many inconsistencies in the Kali myth. How can you reconcile all of these? There are still a lot of inconsistencies left undiscussed. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:36:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] And to the proposition part three To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marc Denny wrote to Jay De Leon: “Guro I. has spoken of GM Lacoste being unusually well travelled and trained in the south, including with some Muslim groups, for someone of his background, so the theory that "Kali" was from Mindanao sounds plausible to me.” Big question is if a Muslim would ever teach a Cebuano/Visayan his art considering that that ethnic group has been the arch enemy of the Muslims for centuries. Muslims themselves would find it hard to be accepted by their fellow Muslims for instruction when they are not part of the teacher’s family. And what particular tribe in Mindanao teaches Kali and where? ========== Marc Denny wrote to Jay De Leon: “Here I am baffled. You write "Yambao, Mirafuentes and presumably Bishop Aglipay used the term as referring to FMA". Why is this not "proof that Kali existed as an FMA name and style"?” Simply because The source of Mirafuente’s data are unknown and thus, can not be verified to be historically accurate. On the other hand, the documented proofs forwarded against Kali are easily verified and authenticated by simply researching. It is questionable where did Fr. Aglipay got the FMA terms used in the Visayas and Mindanao when he was based in Luzon. How did he know the terms used centuries before him? Did he have a source document? If yes, what was that document? On the other hand, the Spanish friars who documented the local languages/dialects have not documented Kali the Mother Art in the various dictionaries that they had compiled, the nearest only being kalis, which was a type of sword. Mirafuente did mention Kali as an ancient name for FMA but did not make all the claims now widely associated with Kali as in kamot lihok. You have verified that Yambao’s art has nothing to do with the systems/arts of GM Villarbrille or GM Lacoste. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:40:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Number of dialects To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thank you Sir Jay. I first heard the term Singkaw from R. Jun Batobalani Sensei, the highest ranking Filipino Aikido instructor in the world as recognized by Aikikai Hombu, who now lives in Urdaneta City, Pangasinan (formerly Baguio City). As it was explained to us, Singkaw is the Ilocano word for the English “harness,” and by extension, the Filipinized term Arnis. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:42:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] karatefication or arnisification Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Prof, Might be the Goshinjutsu kata of Kodokan Judo which is more for self defense than for sports. If GM Lema was in Guam in the 1950s, he might have also engaged in Judo and Aikido there. The Engr. Ticao of Oton, the late “Paquit” Valencia Sensei of Iloilo City, and a few others I forgot were working in Guam during those years and were into JD and AKD. Tohei Sensei visited their group a number of times. In fact, it was in this group that Benjamin Galarpe, “The Father of Philippine Aikido,” joined in later times. Just my thoughts. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. --------------------------------- Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:50:49 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] FMA Names, Pre-Hispanic Filipino Writing Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net FMA Names, Pre-Hispanic Filipino Writing PG Mat wrote: “They kept everything in their heads and did not bother to write.” When they got "untog" they forgot what was in their heads and they got all mixed up. "Untog - bangs head accidentally on a hard object or worse got hit with a yantok on the head.) I beg to disagree with that statement PG Mat. Fr. Pedro Chirino noted in 1604 that almost all of the Filipinos knew how to read and write. They used a 17-letter alphabet called Baybayin or Alibata, which originated from the Asokan alphabet of India. The used the sipol with wood and leaves for writing. They did write, only problem was they used biodegradeable materials. The Tagbanuas of Palawan and Mangyans of Mindoro to this day still use this ancient Filipino alphabet. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. --------------------------------- Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:44:20 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Teachers and Fighters Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net While it may be the ultimate publicly visible manifestation of a teacher's success, the best teachers I've met whether in MA, business or any other field are those who truly want to see their students improve... specially those who are less gifted. As an old boss of mine likes to say: "Teachers who can get extraordinary performance from extraordinary people are just ordinary. The extraordinary teachers are those who can get extraordinary performance from ordinary people." BTW there's another group of martial artists who do not seem to fit into the fighter vs. teacher mold... professional assassins like the Japanese Ninjas of old... =[:->] Message: 4 > From: Kes41355@aol.com > Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 08:49:30 EDT > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Re: teachers and fighters > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Anyway, I heard something a long time ago that rings true today. There > are > fighters and there are teachers, but the mark of a true Master is > one that > turns out Masterpieces (students that help his/her art live on). > > Kim Satterfield --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 21:38:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] And to the proposition for which it stands To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Marc Denny wrote: “FWIW my impression from listening to Guro I. over the years is that GM Lacoste had picked up the term during his extensive travels, which included time and training in the south.” In The Filipino Martial Arts by Guro Dan Inosanto, on the entry on GM John LaCoste: “He's the most difficult to draw concrete information from, particularly because of his limited English and mainly because he won't hold still.” “He is familiar with all different styles, but his favorites are "Moro Moro," two methods of "Cebu," "Occidental Negroes" and "one more." Moro Moro is named after islands and one more is anybody's guess.” Moro-Moro is the name of the socio-cultural plays introduced by the Spanish friars which depicted the triumphs of Christians over the Muslims, whom the Spaniards called Moros. It involved swordplay scenes. The Cebu and “Negroes” Occidental (sp) styles are from the Visayas. The last one may or may not be Kali, we don’t know. If GM LaCoste did pick up the term Kali in his training and travels in the South, the following questions come to mind: 1. Why were these facts not mentioned in Guro Inosanto’s book as well as GM LaCoste’s use of the term Kali? 2. Was it possible for a true bloodied Muslim to teach his art to a Cebuano/Visayan such as GM LaCoste? We all know that Muslims and Visayans are arch enemies since the start of Spanish attempts to conquer Mindanao. The Spaniards used Christianized Filipinos, prominent of them Visayans, in fighting the Muslims. The same mistrust among Muslims and Visayans continue to this day. 3. Why GM laCoste a Muslim? Many Filipino Muslims attested that it is improbable that Muslims will teach their art to people outside their family, much more to a Christian and a Visayan at that. 4. From what Muslim language/dialect did the term Kali came from? Research have already established that it did not originate from any of the major Muslim languages/dialects, including Tausug. 5. Who was his teacher in Kali and what city or town did they held their training? ========== Marc Denny wrote: “Concerning the language(s) of Guro's father, …Apparently, like many Filipinos, he spoke many languages. His work in agriculture in the Stockton area with many Filipinos from many different groups probably developed that multi-lingual capability. What was interesting to me was that it was more comfortable for us to speak in Spanish, which he had learned in his youth during the Spanish era, than English, which he had learned later in life.” Guro Inosanto’s father was from Panay and he spoke Ilonggo. Kali in Ilonggo is “to dig.” ========== Marc Denny wrote: “I have not seen one single person here assert Kali is the Mother Art. Nor can I think of anyone here claiming it to be an ancient name.” On page 12 of The Filipino Martial Arts by Guro Dan Inosanto, “but it wasn’t just their religious fervor that made them so effective. The art behind their bladed weapon was “Kali” (silat) the oldest weaponry on the islands and mother to Escrima. Older than Escrima, Kali comes from the word kalis, which implies a blade, and…” The section on GM Ben Largusa further reads, “Ben Largusa separates himself from the title of Escrima master. He is a man of Kali, the older Filipino art. Kali is the source from which all the Escrima styles developed.” “Escrima, Arnis, Sikaran, Silat, Kuntao, Kaliradman, Kalirongan, and Pagkalikali are all phases of Kali,” says Largusa, “but Kali is the mother or ancestral art. These phases are all part of our training.” A stroll in cyberspace will show countless retelling of these claims, specifically schools that teach Kali or use the term Kali. And we know majority of these sites are US based. As an example, in the Martial Arts Systems Website, under the heading Guro Dan Inosanto, “"Kali," the mother of escrima and arnis de mano, is the preferred reference by its practitioners. Always assuming the use of the blade, whether it be the sword or knife (dagger), Kali is the mother art of the modern Filipino Martial Arts.” ========== Marc Denny wrote: “What I have seen asserted is that the Mirafuentes/Yambao book shows it to be of Filipino origen.” “Yambao's book is cited for the proposition that Kali was a term in the Philippines, thus disproving the assertion by some that it is a word made-up Filipinos in America/Filipino Americans.” “To my understanding it is NOT being cited for the proposition that the systems/arts of GM Villarbrille or GM Lacoste descended from Yambao.” If we accept your logic CD, can we say that Kali, as in kamot lihok, was made by Yambao, Mirafuente, or the people in the Philippines? Records would show otherwise. Yambao, who was from Bulacan, and Mirafuente, also from Luzon, could not have used a Cebuano term for their martial art. That is exactly my point in citing the characteristics of the techniques depicted in the book; they were Tagalog techniques, not Visayan. Majority of Guro Inosanto’s teachers were Visayans. So how do you justify the use of the Cebuano kamot lihok by using a Tagalog source? As I’ve posted several times, the issue at hand is the HISTORICAL VALUE of the term Kali (relative to all the ridiculous claims attached to it) but along the way the issue has been forcibly sidetracked as the EXISTENCE AND ORIGIN of the term kali in the Philippines. You can find kali in some languages/dialects of the Philippines but they have been proven to have nothing to do with FMA. Such proofs had been posted here several times. Mirafuente did mention Kali in the historical section of Yambao’s book but the issue is whether or not the term Kali was ever used in the Philippine archipelago PRIOR to its popularity in the US. Yambao’s book, a 20th Century work, was the first document to mention Kali but it lacks a bibliography. Filipinos can show hundreds of historical records, academic research materials, cultural legacies and practices, testimonies, oral traditions, ethnic epics, etc. that do not make mention of Kali the Mother Art (prior to the Kali boom in the US). Mirafuente never did call Kali the Mother Art. He just said it was an ancient term for Arnis and did not say that it was used in the whole archipelago. He did not claim that Kali was a Muslim art that came from Sri Vishaya or Majadpahit Empire, and never did he associate Kali with kamot lihok, Silat, Kuntao, Tjakalele, Velakali, the Hindu God Kali, the Kali River, Kalibo, Kalinga Apayao, Calinog, the prefix Ka, etc. Mr. Gaje did make several claims himself but most of those listed above came from the US and not from the Philippines. In fact, it was The Filipino Martial Arts that told us that: 1. Kali is Muslim. 2. Kali is the oldest form of weaponry in the Philippines. 3. Kali is mother to and is older to Escrima. 4. Kali came from kalis. 5. Kali is the source from which all the Escrima styles developed 6. The other FMAs are all phases of Kali A link between Kali and Silat is yet to be proven. Each one differ from the other as regards form and substance. The presumption that Eskrima and Arnis are simply phases of the natural evolution of the Mother Art Kali, with Eskrima and Arnis being the modern and diluted equivalents, is without historical basis. Kindly read my commentary on Mirafuente’s Maikling Kasaysayan ng Arnis and you’ll see the apparent historical flaws in that piece which renders it a QUESTIONABLE proof for the ridiculous claims and hypes for Kali in the US. ========== Marc Denny wrote: “Please correct me if I am wrong, but the impression I get is that the real disagreement is with your fellow Filipino, GT Gaje, not us.” Mr. Gaje is just one piece of the puzzle. He has his part but we always go back where everything started. ========== Again Marc, up to this point no solid historical proof can be forwarded in defense of the Kali term and its various claims. It would help a lot if something can be forwarded to shed more light to this matter. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. --------------------------------- Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:38:36 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Number of dialects To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net James: For whatever it is worth, Pangasinan is divided linguistically into Pangasinense (also known as pangalatok) and Ilocano. My father's side of Binmaley going up north to as far as Alaminos and probably beyond is mostly Pangasinense. My father spoke both Pangasinense and Ilocano fluently, among many other dialects. So it is not unlikely that an Ilocano word like "singkaw" would find common usage in the province of Pangasinan, as well as the Ilocos provinces. Jay de Leon www.tipunan.com "james jr. sy" wrote: Thank you Sir Jay. I first heard the term Singkaw from R. Jun Batobalani Sensei, the highest ranking Filipino Aikido instructor in the world as recognized by Aikikai Hombu, who now lives in Urdaneta City, Pangasinan (formerly Baguio City). As it was explained to us, Singkaw is the Ilocano word for the English “harness,” and by extension, the Filipinized term Arnis. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. --------------------------------- Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:33:36 -0700 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] 12th Karambunal sa Davao set Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net 12th Karambunal sa Davao set By Peter L. Magbanua 2007-06-29 Everything is set for the 12th Karambunal sa Davao tournament on June 30, 10 am at the Victoria Plaza, this city. According to Mario Palasuelo of the organizing committee, the event will have players from powerhouse Tacurong City, Mati, Davao Oriental, Digos, Tagum and host Davao City. "It will feature seven weight categories namely extra lightweight, half lightweight, lightweight, half middle weight, middle weight, half heavy weight and heavyweight divisions for players 19 years old and below and 19 years old and above," Palasuelo said yesterday at the DSA Forum. On the other hand, Philippine Sports Commission (PSC) commissioner Leon Montemayor is set to grace the opening ceremonies together with arnis officials, who are set to welcomes some 100 participants in the one-day event. Specially crafted medals will be up for grabs for the winners of the event that is backed by the Davao City Sports Council. --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:01:14 -0700 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] h2h combat Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net fwiw... 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Each episode of HUMAN WEAPON charts an expedition through foreign continents, famous cities, exotic villages, back alleys and lush landscapes in their quest for a different type of combat. After learning about the history and culture, and training in it themselves, they will see if they have learned enough to take on one of the professional fighting masters in the discipline – and survive. The first week of HUMAN WEAPON (July 20) takes the hosts to Bangkok to learn different forms of the ancient art of Muay Thai, also known as the "Science of Eight Limbs." In this fighting technique the hands, shins, elbows and knees are developed into weapons designed to crush an opponent. As in every episode, the hosts experience the history of the art, how to train in it, and the culture it evolved from. In their journey through the exotic kingdom once known as Siam, Chambers and Duff discover the origins of Muay Thai in an ancient Buddhist temple, battle professional fighters in a hardcore rural gym and immerse themselves in the jungle camp of secretive Muay Thai Master Preang. They'll become intimately acquainted with all eight limbs. Until one of them must use what they've learned in a fight against the Champion Yodecha. In future episodes of HUMAN WEAPON we find the fighting pair battling an opponent in a jungle cockfighting pit, practicing ancient wrestling moves on a water buffalo and learning the secrets of a death strike in a Japanese temple. We follow Chambers and Duff as they travel the world from Japan to France, to the Philippines and Israel and beyond, absorbing each nation's singular history and traditions, while learning how each individual location gave birth to its distinct form of combat. Some of the topics covered in HUMAN WEAPON, in addition to Muay Thai (Thailand), are: Eskrima (Philippines), Judo (Japan), Karate (Japan), Savate (France), Pankration (Greece), and Krav Maga (Israel). HUMAN WEAPON Hosts Jason Chambers. A Total Fighting Challenge Welterweight Champion, Jason Chambers has a record of 16 wins and 4 losses as an MMA fighter. He has been training in various martial arts since the age of six. Jason has fought in "Deep" in Japan and "Rento Maximo" in Mexico and all over the USA. He has trained under Renzo Gracie and currently trains under Eddie Bravo in Jiu-Jitsu. In addition, Jason also holds the rank of "Phase 1 Instructor" in Jeet Kune Do under Joe Goytia. Some of Jason's current training partners are Karo Parisayn, Bas Rutten, and Randy Coture at Legends Gym in Hollywood, California. Bill Duff. Pro Football player, bodyguard, wrestler and stunt double, Bill Duff holds a brown belt in Korean street fighting (Toa So Dou) under Master Davis of the Wa Wrang Studios in Riverside, New Jersey. He is a two-time heavyweight state champion wrestler, member of the New Jersey Hall of fame, and undefeated in bar fights. Bill, 6-foot 4 inches tall and 280 pounds, was a professional football player for seven years. He started for the Orlando Rage in the XFL and spent the 2000 and 2002 NFL Europe seasons with the Berlin Thunder, helping them win the 2002 World Bowl Championships. Continuing his career with the Arena Football league, he played for the Indianapolis Firebirds and Columbus Destroyers. Prior to this, he played for the Cleveland Browns in their expansion year 1999-2000. He was also co-captain of the 1997 SEC champion Tennessee Volunteers. On History.com, HUMAN WEAPON will include a game, the history of all different forms of hand-to-hand combat, exclusive fighting short-form video, and "motion-capture" footage showing the different types of moves. There will also be host photos, bios, and video interviews, a glossary of terms, an episode guide, tune-in information and more. One fight in each episode of HUMAN WEAPON will be shown in detail on History.com. The new series HUMAN WEAPON is produced for The History Channel by Jupiter Entertainment. Executive Producer for The History Channel is Marc Etkind. Executive Producers are Steven Land and Zak Weisfeld. The History Channel(r) is a leading cable television network featuring compelling original, non-fiction specials and series that bring history to life in a powerful and entertaining manner across multiple platforms. The network provides an inviting place where people experience history in new and exciting ways enabling them to connect their lives today to the great lives and events of the past that provide a blueprint for the future. The History Channel has earned four Peabody Awards, three Primetime Emmy(r) Awards, ten News & Documentary Emmy(r) Awards and received the prestigious Governor's Award from the Academy of Television Arts & Sciences for the network's Save Our History(r) campaign dedicated to historic preservation and history education. The History Channel reaches more than 93 million Nielsen subscribers. 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