Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 02:58:33 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #214 - 9 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: FMA in France, Spain, Morroco (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:57:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Karol Krauser To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA in France, Spain, Morroco Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello All, Going to be doing some wandering in the afformentioned countries and just thought I would throw it out there and see if anyone might know of some FMA practioners in the areas of Spain, and Morroco. When travelling I usually try to hook up with other practioners to share some FMA fellowship and ideas. Thanks in advance Karol K --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:00:05 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] August in Maine Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 08:33 PM 7/7/2007, you wrote: > Hello to the list, also Michael Gallagher > If you are around Bridgton, Maine give me a hollar. I never get >enough stick time since moving to back to Maine. Unfortunately, I just checked my Maine Atlas and that's quite a hike from Bar Harbor. I'm not inclined to make that this year. But thanx! --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:11:07 -0700 From: "James Kovacich" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] And in yet another effort to wrap up my participation in this discussion , , , Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Red, Beikoku does not translate to British. I had no intention of proving Kali to be anything EXCEPT for something that has NOT been disproven. On 7/5/07, Red Gonzales wrote: > > James Kovacich (a.k.a. British Fighter), > > Nothing in your post constituted convincing proof of the authenticity of > kali. > > Could you offer any historical proof aside from mere conjecture? > > Countless concrete historical evidences had been given against kali but > yet nothing significant and substantial for kali. > > Whilst the others failed to refute them, maybe you can, one by one. > > Yes, names are created to serve a purpose, to revise history would be one > of them. Or to hype and market is another. > > Red Gonzales > > > Beikoku Fighter wrote: I agree that Kali, the > "word" or "martial art" have not been > disproven. Throughout ALL martial art history no one ever has been "passed > down" the complete truth technically or historically. No one alive today > was > there to hear the words of our martial ancestors. > > Dialects change. On a recent trip to Spain, my mothers Castillian was out > of > date she had a hard time understanding most Spaniards. Also, Southern > Spain > was occupied by the North Africans for 800 years (before the Spaniards > took > their turn at power) and my Grandfathers hometown of La Adrada was one of > their strongholds. "Adrada" is not a Spanish word. It is debated but it is > thought to be the name of a Berber tribe which spoke their dialects and > rarely wrote them down. > > So non-native words get mixed into the languages and are not translatable. > And in the case of the "word" Kali, if it turned out to be related to > Spain > in some way (as Escrima and Arnis are undeniably Spanish sounding) then > one > might also look towards an African connection for Kali as well. > > I personally think that Kali, the name of martial art is a combination > from > 2 separate words. Naming martial arts in this fashion is not uncommon. > Kara > Te, Ju Do... > > Names are created to serve a purpose and thats it. > > > --------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://ph.mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 13:24:24 -0700 From: "Beikoku Fighter" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] And in yet another effort to wrap up my participation in this discussion , , , Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Red, (not sure the first message went through) Beikoku does not translate to British. I had no intention on proving anything except that Kali, the name of MA has not been disproven. As far as the mother art, to me it does not matter. The conjecture is not proof as some posts are conjecture but I still have not seen any ancient text (that some request to prove Kali) disproving Kali. Neither side can be proved and these "theories" may sound good but are not "definitive" proof. James Kovacich On 7/5/07, Red Gonzales wrote: > > James Kovacich (a.k.a. British Fighter), > > Nothing in your post constituted convincing proof of the authenticity of > kali. > > Could you offer any historical proof aside from mere conjecture? > > Countless concrete historical evidences had been given against kali but > yet nothing significant and substantial for kali. > > Whilst the others failed to refute them, maybe you can, one by one. > > Yes, names are created to serve a purpose, to revise history would be one > of them. Or to hype and market is another. > > Red Gonzales > > > Beikoku Fighter wrote: I agree that Kali, the > "word" or "martial art" have not been > disproven. Throughout ALL martial art history no one ever has been "passed > down" the complete truth technically or historically. No one alive today > was > there to hear the words of our martial ancestors. > > Dialects change. On a recent trip to Spain, my mothers Castillian was out > of > date she had a hard time understanding most Spaniards. Also, Southern > Spain > was occupied by the North Africans for 800 years (before the Spaniards > took > their turn at power) and my Grandfathers hometown of La Adrada was one of > their strongholds. "Adrada" is not a Spanish word. It is debated but it is > thought to be the name of a Berber tribe which spoke their dialects and > rarely wrote them down. > > So non-native words get mixed into the languages and are not translatable. > And in the case of the "word" Kali, if it turned out to be related to > Spain > in some way (as Escrima and Arnis are undeniably Spanish sounding) then > one > might also look towards an African connection for Kali as well. > > I personally think that Kali, the name of martial art is a combination > from > 2 separate words. Naming martial arts in this fashion is not uncommon. > Kara > Te, Ju Do... > > Names are created to serve a purpose and thats it. > > > --------------------------------- > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://ph.mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 23:02:05 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FMA in France, Spain, Morroco Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You could contact Michael at www.bcnma.com Rick Faye and Greig Nelson student. He also knowsw who else is on the go. On 7/9/07, Karol Krauser wrote: > Hello All, > > Going to be doing some wandering in the afformentioned countries and just thought I would throw it out there and see if anyone might know of some FMA practioners in the areas of Spain, and Morroco. When travelling I usually try to hook up with other practioners to share some FMA fellowship and ideas. > -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk Most people have the will to win, few have the will to prepare to win. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:20:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Jonathan Kessler Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FMA in France, Spain, Morroco To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net IKAEF has some folks in France and Morocco. In France contact Adrien Rodriguez at adrien.rodriguez@ikaef.com In Morocco contact Fouad Assoul at fouad.assoul@ikaef.com HTH, JK Karol Krauser wrote: Hello All, Going to be doing some wandering in the afformentioned countries and just thought I would throw it out there and see if anyone might know of some FMA practioners in the areas of Spain, and Morroco. When travelling I usually try to hook up with other practioners to share some FMA fellowship and ideas. Thanks in advance Karol K --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FMA in France, Spain, Morroco To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 18:46:19 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >> Going to be doing some wandering in the afformentioned countries and just thought I would throw it out there and see if anyone might know of some FMA practioners in the areas of Spain, and Morroco. When travelling I usually try to hook up with other practioners to share some FMA fellowship and ideas. << When in France, the Paris area, check out Suro Emanuel Hart. http://inayan.eu/ Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest