Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2007 02:58:31 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #215 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Re: 2007 Brotherhood of the Blade (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:04:23 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] KALI - The Indonesian Connection Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In his book "The Weapons and Fighting Arts of Indonesia" (c. 1972) the late Donn F. Draeger described certain combative ceremonies in the island of Ceram (now known as Seram) in the Moluccas as follows (p. 234): "There can be seen on special occasions the centuries-old TJAKALELE, the male war dance indigenous to the Moluccas. Its origin is obscure but is suggested in legends, though not by name. Hybrid forms are practiced today on Tanimbar, Timor, and in the Celebes. >From the age sixteen, village boys study and work three to five years in conjunction with the KAKEHAN. Under the rigors of daily training the TJAKALELE is performed." In footnote 13, he described the KAKEHAN as follows: "A highly secret, animistic religious form, active today. As a secret society, its workings have never been fully disclosed." BTW, Seram natives have a history of headhunting and cannibalism. Donn continued to write on the Moloccas (p. 235): "On the small island of Haruku is found a system of stick fighting which may bear some relationship to the Philippine (Mactan) use of tabak (sharpened) sticks. Haruku islanders make use of small sticks sharpened at one or both ends, fire hardened, and apply them as skewers..." If you juxtapose the foregoing description of Donn on the possible existence of KALI in pre-Spanish Philippines, then you would get the following description: In pre-Spanish Philippines, there exists an all-male secret society for the training of future warriors in the art of headhunting (and possibly cannibalism). The core curriculum of such training is the mastery of the war dance called KALI. Could the secret society angle be the possible explanation why no Spanish historian ever came accross the term? Could the headhunting angle be the possible reason why Ibanags and Gaddangs call headhunters as KALINGA? Could it is also the possible explanation why Borneo (which together with New Guinea is probably the last bastion of headhunting and cannibalism) is originally called by the native population as KALIMANTAN? BTW, Wikipedia offered several explanations on the possible meaning of KALIMANTAN. If you are familiar with the Indonesian language, however, MANTAN means "experienced". KALIMANTAN, therefore, could also possibly mean "experienced in KALI". > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 05:16:11 -0700 (PDT) > From: kali warrior > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kali and Marc Denny > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Mr. Sy, > > > May I offer some references If you try to read Arnis Lanada by Amante P. > Marinas, it says, "Arnis evolved from kali, an ancient martial art practiced > by early Filipinos. Kali, generally believed to have come from Indonesia, is > a highly systemized form of fighting which was taught in tribal schools > called bothoan prior to 1521." > > And in Pananandata by the same author, "Prior to 1610, kali was known by > many names depending upon the dialect of the warrior. Kali was known as > pananadata in Tagalog, pagakalikali in Ilbanag, kalirongan in Pangasinan, > kaliradman in Visayas,…" > > "Indeed by 1853 the word kali had almost disappeared, replaced by the word > "arnes" which later became "arnis" " > > "Kali was orginally practiced by the royalty of the Visayan and the > Tagalog regions, by the Amandakwas of Pangasinan and the Baruwangs of > Cagayan." > > GM Marinas is one of the most respected guros in the US. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 07:25:28 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Luis_Fern=E1ndez?= Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FMA in France, Spain, Morroco To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net in Spain: http://eskrimadores.com/ ----- Mensaje original ---- De: Karol Krauser Para: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Enviado: lunes, 9 de julio, 2007 20:57:41 Asunto: [Eskrima] FMA in France, Spain, Morroco Hello All, Going to be doing some wandering in the afformentioned countries and just thought I would throw it out there and see if anyone might know of some FMA practioners in the areas of Spain, and Morroco. When travelling I usually try to hook up with other practioners to share some FMA fellowship and ideas. Thanks in advance Karol K --------------------------------- Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food & Drink Q&A. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Sé un Mejor Amante del Cine ¿Quieres saber cómo? ¡Deja que otras personas te ayuden! http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/reto/entretenimiento.html --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 18:14:00 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?St=E9phane=20Fernandez?= To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: FMA in France, Spain, Morroco Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, As Ray says you can hook up with the Inayan group of Suro Emanuel Hart in Paris. I will be having an open air Eskrima class in the jardin du Luxembourg in Paris downtown in July and probably august. There will be also "La canne française" classes this summer in Paris. "Canne Française" is the french art of stickfighting (around 38 inches lenght). You can reach me at fernast@neuf.fr Best regards Stéphane Fernandez PS which part of spain are you visiting? --------------------------------- Ne gardez plus qu'une seule adresse mail ! Copiez vos mails vers Yahoo! Mail --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "tom" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:58:16 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Brotherhood of The Blade Workshop Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone. I wanted to let you know about the 2007 Brotherhood of The Blade gathering in Chicago, Illinois. Some very interesting material! [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type application/pdf which had a name of New BOTB Flyer.pdf] --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "tom" To: Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 14:25:47 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] 2007 Brotherhood of the Blade Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Did not realize that the last attachment would be removed. Here is the info. Had to be modified. Thanks. BROTHERHOOD OF THE BLADE Edged Weapons Training 2007 The most comprehensive Edged Weapon seminar & Event Anywhere!! Come and learn Edged Weapon Tactics from around the world with some of the countries most sought after instructors. Easter, Western, Modern & Historic. We Present it ALL! -Apache Knife Fighting- -Styers-Biddle WWII Knife Combatives--PPST Silat Knife Fighting--Tactical Tomahawk--Reverse Grip Knife Combatives--Black Arts Military Knife Fighting--Kenpo Knife Fighting- -Bushi Satori Wakizashi--Filipino Knife Combatives-Bojuka Knife Combatives--Guazabara Machete Fighting--Anjing Banfa Knife Combatives--Under Sudden Attack Ambushed! Using the Big Knife INSTRUCTORS INCLUDE: Keith Jennings, Master Peter Brusso, Mr. Danny Cichocki, Mr. Chet Fetter, Mr. Thomas Howanic, Guru Eddie Ivester, Master Jim Kolar, Grand Master Gus Michalik, Maestro Edgardo Perez, Mr. Allen Reed, Mr. Tom Schrenk, Sensei Joseph Truncale, Mr. Fernan Vargas , Mr. Dennis Wright, Mr. Steve Zorn Pre-Registration Costs: 1 Day: $60.00 2 Days: 100.00 Military & LEO $40.00 Per Day At the Door Costs: 1 Day: $70.00 2 Days: 120.00 Military & LEO $50.00 Per Day **Card Subject to Changes without notice** For custom metal trainers please contact djdmenace73@aol.com for details [demime 0.98e removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image002.gif] --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] 2007 Brotherhood of the Blade To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 15:56:29 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > BROTHERHOOD OF THE BLADE Dates? Location? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest