Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 02:58:27 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #219 - 2 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Kali the Indonesian connection (bgdebuque) 2. Re: PTK Seminar/San Jose Anaconda Pitbulls contact info (John Montes) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:35:59 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kali the Indonesian connection Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Someday you can perhaps demonstrate to us how to behead someone with a spear and a shield... =[:->] > > 1. Tjakalele makes use of spears and shields and not bladed weapons like > the kalis as supposed to be used in Kali. > > 2. "Seram natives have a history of headhunting and cannibalism." And so > does Africa and other parts of the world. It reminds me of the secret agent who likes to distribute his "secret agent" calling card... =[:->] Before its discovery at the confessional by a priest, the Katipunan also used to be a secret society. I am inclined to believe that a secret society which gets published will automatically cease to be one... =[:->] 3. No Philippine history textbook mentions such a secret society. The Goddess Kali of Hindus is depicted as someone holding a sword on one hand and the head of a demon on the other hand. He also sucks the blood of slain demons on the battlefield. Should Hindus also do the same practice?.... =[:->] Such supposition would also mean that ancient Kalistas, if they did exist, > were headhunters and cannibals? Would this mean that modern Kalistas should > also do the same practice? Now this is a slip on your part. As I remember it, it was you all along who had posted several times the phrase "Kali is Muslim". If indeed I have written the same, kindly repost what I have written... =[:->] I have only tried to establish 3 "connections" to Kali - the Indian one (Hindu through Kalaripayattu); the Indonesian one (Buddhist/Hindu thu Sri-Wijaya and animist thru the Tjakalele war dance of the Moluccas), and; the Philippine one through Kalinga (the Ibanag and Gaddang term for headhunters). BTW in the opening sentences of Donn Draeger's Moluccas chapter he also wrote that according to the Moluccas elders he had interviewed, based on oral tradition, the ancestors of Moluccans originally came from Malabar, India. I guess that brings us right back to the goddess Kali, the sword, and the demon head... =[:->] Bgdebuque previously wrote that Kali was Muslim. Ever heard of a cannibal > Muslim? >(:>) --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 08:57:19 -0700 (PDT) From: John Montes To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: PTK Seminar/San Jose Anaconda Pitbulls contact info Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, Just found out that Guro Mike's cell isn't working - guess he's been having problems with it. Anyway here's his email address, you can contact him there. Guro Michael Franciotti michaelfranc@yahoo.com Peace ~John ____________________________________________________________________________________ Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! 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