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(Guro T.C.) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 05:01:54 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] MMA Marine Martial Arts!! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From what I hear this is actually GOOD stuff! The Personal Combat training has come a long was over the last 20 years since I went through it. In the 80's we mirrored the movements of an "expert" who was standing on a stage 100 feet away. The material was BASIC judo-karate-boxing mashed together into an easily digested mish-mosh of gross motor skill friendly techniques. Did I ever use it? Heck NO!! Most of us, upon reaching the Fleet, looked for a way to supplement our training. Some sought out civillian classes outside the gate, some got really serious about bar-fighting, and some of us found out that the guy we had been drinking beer with for the last year was a 4 dan in Hapkido! It does my heart good to see that the brass at 8th and I has FINALLY figured out that the Kinder-gentler Marine Corps experiment of the early 90's was a miserable failure and are teaching my baby brothers to be bad-asses again!! Semper Fi!! Brandon www.eskrima customs.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Kes41355@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:36:12 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Manong Lacoste and Kali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, I remember reading somewhere, probably in Dan's book The Filipino Martial Arts, That Lacoste did indeed call his art either Eskrima or Kuntao/Silat. Not only that, but Dan said that is was very hard to pin Manong Lacoste down to a specific style of Eskrima. When questioned on what style Lacoste practiced, he said "Moro-Moro, Occidental Negroes (named for a region in the Philippines)" and something Lacoste called "one more." As Gilbert Johnson said, " 'one more' " is anybody's guess." The word "Kali" wasn't mentioned. I have to admit, though, that in all this discussion about the origins and legitimacy of the usage of the word "Kali", I am a bit confused on why this is an issue (no disrespect intended toward any contributors to this discussion). I know Dan personally, and although I haven't seen him in a few years, I was fortunate to have traveled in circles in which Dan was ever present, enough that he recognized me when I would run into him at Degerberg's in Chicago, and Wetoskey's in Waterloo, IN. Dan is an exceptional martial artist, and we owe him a huge debt for the efforts he made to bring his native art out into the open, or at least more accessible to folks like me. The word "Kali" didn't just come out of thin air; I do believe Dan when he says that he learned of the term from his teachers and predecessors. I learned a lot of the history of the Filipino arts, particularly the development of the arts here in America, from Dan, and my take on all this is that "Kali" is a term that came down from Floro Villabrille and Ben Largusa, and was the term given to the conglomeration that Villibrille developed from his travels and studies, and passed down to Largusa. I don't have a problem at all with the term...I'm a long time Serrada player, and there is even some question about the use of the term Eskrima in the Philippines. From what I understand, until a just few years ago most teachers and players in the Philippines were unfamiliar with the term "Eskrima" as well, and most likely referred to their art by a regional name (please, correct me if I'm wrong here). In my opinion, Dan, as well as Villabrille and Largusa, can call their art anything they want. To me, these guys are at the top of the mountain, and concerning matters on their art, I will defer to them. What the art is called isn't as important to me as the content of the art. But then again, I'm a pragmatic sort of person, and substance over symbolism has always been my priority. Kim Satterfield Midwest School of Eskrima In a message dated 7/25/2007 7:13:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net writes: Ray wrote: I received a phone call this evening from Manong Al Concepcion. It was good to hear from him. He had been traveling for several months out of the country. Being one of the earliest eskrima students in Stockton, he not only studied under Angel Cabales but also under Johnny LaCoste. Al indicated that Johnny did not call his art Kali. He just called it eskrima and/or kuntao silat. Later when others came to him to learn he also picked up the term kali and began to use that name also. So it seems we cannot place the early use of kali with LaCoste. He may have picked it up later, but early on he did not use the name kali to describe his art. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "sifujames@juno.com" Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:44:20 GMT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Moving my school Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello all, I'm moving my school to 1050 S. Santa Fe Ave ,Vista, CA 92084. It is bigger and much better, so if you live near San Diego come by and check it out. www.sifujames.com Thanks James D. Stacy ________________________________________________________________________ Save hundreds of dollars a year with Juno Internet access. Plans start as low as $9.95 a month. Visit Juno today! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2130421-170 --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 10:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: michael s To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] re: viking fighting arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gee Kim, Almost seems as though you don't believe in the credibility of GM Sven and 'The Viking Fighting System'. I especially liked the teachings of how to control the Berzerker in you and all the techniques that go with the Berzerker...lol Guess we should be careful, otherwise we might be looked down upon by Odin, and accused of working with Loki to cause more mischief and disbelief. Oh well, I think Valhalla still waits for us, as we are the brave. Guro Mike --__--__-- Message: 5 From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:27:35 -0500 Subject: [Eskrima] Marine corps MMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I find it interesting the way you describe the Marine corps martial arts program of the 90s. As a Marine for 8 years myself I was taught line training in the Corps and it was anything but gentle. I have learned this extremely violent way of fighting and it was nothing short of maiming and killing techniques so I have no Idea where you derive you're information on the Marine Corps Martial arts of the 90s but it is very inacurate and has no foundation in reality but we appreciate you're zeal for violence in the military self defense techniques. I have also worked with some of the new stuff and it is a more complete MMA type of training and is very effective as well. As always Semper Fidelis SSG ARMSTRONG --__--__-- Message: 6 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:26:23 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Moving my school To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net CONGRATS JAMES! Your sister in the arts, Heather PS would love to come and visit.. and have more sushi! Heather MonDee, Lead Instructor CCA & Denver-Metro AMA Denver Colorado USA _www.denverama.com_ (http://www.denverama.com/) 303.758.9383 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --__--__-- Message: 7 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:38:58 -0400 From: gatpuno@aol.com Subject: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, After a long silence, I want to meve this "Kali" discussion to an end, Let put it this way. We as Filipino can't change the fact that "Kali" is has been accepted term for Filipino Martial Arts. But also we want to assure that the world hear from us Filipino that Kali term as Filipino Martilaa Arts in the Philippines is un-known, nor the the claim the Mother arts of Fililipino Martial arts. To whom ever we have to put the blamed is not important anymore, what is done is done, the popularity of "Kali" term is succesfully taking the world and is fine at least is Filipino Martial Arts. Now some personal persception of the words is not acceptatble to us, but if that what your instructor told you to believed, I respect that. I actually giving you an aplause, that you stand rightto what your "Guro's" belief and that is positive gesture to your Guro. Now, I think after few months, that we read the exchanges of post between us Filipino opposing on "Kali" to be the mother arts or "quoting" the mother of all FMA. I personally asked everyone involved that I think it is time to move on and let get this over with. Let start to a brand new phase, of what we can work togehter from here, is not of what we can do un-unified us FMA. I joined this group for learning purposes, for getting some ideas how to run a schopol, and how effectively other Guro Teach. Since is not un-known that I hae to learn how to teach the "Business' minded way, instead of the Traditional Typical Eskrimador. I learned Eskrima, Arnis and Estokada from Pain. Pain is the good teacher, but Here in United States in particular, I cant do that, I have to alter the way I was taught. So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being "A$$$fma" or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador, I throw challenges, that I know some of you might found very dis-respectful, but to us Filipin Ekrimador this is showiong respect to the other Eskrimadores. To be challenge by other Eskrimador is not dis-respect, it is took as a honor, and you have a choice of accepting and declining. So I am and still the same person talking. But I think is a the time, to put this "Kali" term on rest before it got out more on hand. There NO"Kali-linawan" (clear result) on keeping on going, it is just going back and port, and start to get to the point is becoming a personal attack to the posterand I getting sick of it. I am not sayiing they won, I just want to go on, everyone hear your side, our side and I think that fair enough. Lets move on and may be we can get more of it, than trhrowing some soar words to each other. I want everyone to know that I am still not a "Kali" believer, but I accept the term as vehicale to recognized the FMA here in foreign countries. This make it easier for me to step in and introduced "Arnis" Brand that I practiced. But no mistake, I am still watching those practitioner that have bigger mouth that thier skills, I warned everysingle one of you, that I am not stopping to be a threat to you all, and I want you to attack me if I said something wrong too, I think is fair.. Okay, To James Sy, good documentation and research youve done and you posted. To the Kali-depender, I salute you all to the respect you put to your instructors. Hopefully we can start a new beginning and let start to work together and promote the arts that we love, regardless of style and name. Salamat, If you take this as positive, thank you and if you will take this as negative that its up to you now, I will be here willing to answer your question as always.. Lets move on, New beginning, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. --__--__-- Message: 8 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:36:39 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Manong Lacoste and Kali To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Lol, I agree Kim. They (the instructors you mentioned) can call their art whatever they want. If Dan Inosanto calls it Kali--its Kali and yes supported with all the wealth of knowledge he holds from training with those you mentioned and many more. Very, very few hold the mantel he holds. We train two FMA's in our academy and they are both Kali. Best to all. Heather Associate Instructor, Inosanto Instructors Association of Martial Arts Int. Heather MonDee, Lead Instructor CCA & Denver-Metro AMA Denver Colorado USA _www.denverama.com_ (http://www.denverama.com/) 303.758.9383 ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --__--__-- Message: 9 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:52:30 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > After a long silence, I want to meve this "Kali" discussion to an end, Funny... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:32:05 -0700 (PDT) From: John Montes To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: QUOTING BGDEBUQUE: Pigafetta don't know betta' and Magellan's lost his melon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The problem in my humble opinion is that there's a point where researchers hit a brick wall with regard to any documented historical proof of the term Kali. Most of the documents were destroyed by the Spanish and Japanese. So demanding documented proof from the Philippines is an impossible task, esp. if you are going to rely on Spanish documents, considering the lengths that Filipinos went to to preserve an outlawed practice secretly through a *DANCE using rattan sticks. Let's fast-forward to today. Terminology is definitely regional, and call it this or call it that, the naked truth is that even Filipinos can't agree on a generic term. Never mind; the stick is round, the blade is flat. ~John. "I bring not peace but a sword." ~Jesus Christ ____________________________________________________________________________________ Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 11 From: "Eskrima de Campo JDC-IO U.S.A." To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all. Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 14:59:58 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet   It must be some kind of glitch but somehow it read: "So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being "A$$$decampousa" or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador" Just thought that was weird. Did anyone else get a different word? Jason Autajay Trainer Los Angeles & Orange County Chapters, United States Eskrima De Campo JDC-IO www.EskrimaDeCampo.com   -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gatpuno@aol.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all. Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:38:58 -0400 Hello, After a long silence, I want to meve this "Kali" discussion to an end, Let put it this way. We as Filipino can't change the fact that "Kali" is has been accepted term for Filipino Martial Arts. But also we want to assure that the world hear from us Filipino that Kali term as Filipino Martilaa Arts in the Philippines is un-known, nor the the claim the Mother arts of Fililipino Martial arts. To whom ever we have to put the blamed is not important anymore, what is done is done, the popularity of "Kali" term is succesfully taking the world and is fine at least is Filipino Martial Arts. Now some personal persception of the words is not acceptatble to us, but if that what your instructor told you to believed, I respect that. I actually giving you an aplause, that you stand rightto what your "Guro's" belief and that is positive gesture to your Guro. Now, I think after few months, that we read the exchanges of post between us Filipino opposing on "Kali" to be the mother arts or "quoting" the mother of all FMA. I personally asked everyone involved that I think it is time to move on and let get this over with. Let start to a brand new phase, of what we can work togehter from here, is not of what we can do un-unified us FMA. I joined this group for learning purposes, for getting some ideas how to run a schopol, and how effectively other Guro Teach. Since is not un-known that I hae to learn how to teach the "Business' minded way, instead of the Traditional Typical Eskrimador. I learned Eskrima, Arnis and Estokada from Pain. Pain is the good teacher, but Here in United States in particular, I cant do that, I have to alter the way I was taught. So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being "A$$$decampousa" or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador, I throw challenges, that I know some of you might found very dis-respectful, but to us Filipin Ekrimador this is showiong respect to the other Eskrimadores. To be challenge by other Eskrimador is not dis-respect, it is took as a honor, and you have a choice of accepting and declining. So I am and still the same person talking. But I think is a the time, to put this "Kali" term on rest before it got out more on hand. There NO"Kali-linawan" (clear result) on keeping on going, it is just going back and port, and start to get to the point is becoming a personal attack to the posterand I getting sick of it. I am not sayiing they won, I just want to go on, everyone hear your side, our side and I think that fair enough. Lets move on and may be we can get more of it, than trhrowing some soar words to each other. I want everyone to know that I am still not a "Kali" believer, but I accept the term as vehicale to recognized the FMA here in foreign countries. This make it easier for me to step in and introduced "Arnis" Brand that I practiced. But no mistake, I am still watching those practitioner that have bigger mouth that thier skills, I warned everysingle one of you, that I am not stopping to be a threat to you all, and I want you to attack me if I said something wrong too, I think is fair.. Okay, To James Sy, good documentation and research youve done and you posted. To the Kali-depender, I salute you all to the respect you put to your instructors. Hopefully we can start a new beginning and let start to work together and promote the arts that we love, regardless of style and name. Salamat, If you take this as positive, thank you and if you will take this as negative that its up to you now, I will be here willing to answer your question as always.. Lets move on, New beginning, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Missed the show?  Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:41:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Guro T.C." Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I got So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being "A$$$gurotc" or disrespectful to the... weird. --- "Eskrima de Campo JDC-IO U.S.A." wrote: > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet >   > > It must be some kind of glitch but somehow it read: > > "So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the > group is being "A$$$decampousa" > or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador" > > Just thought that was weird. Did anyone else get a > different word? > > Jason Autajay > > Trainer > Los Angeles & Orange County Chapters, United States > > Eskrima De Campo JDC-IO > www.EskrimaDeCampo.com > >   > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: gatpuno@aol.com > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all. > Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:38:58 -0400 > Hello, > > After a long silence, I want to meve this "Kali" > discussion to an > end, Let put it this way. We as Filipino can't > change the fact that > "Kali" is has been accepted term for Filipino > Martial Arts. But also > we want to assure that the world hear from us > Filipino that Kali term > as Filipino Martilaa Arts in the Philippines is > un-known, nor the the > claim the Mother arts of Fililipino Martial arts. > > To whom ever we have to put the blamed is not > important anymore, what > is done is done, the popularity of "Kali" term is > succesfully taking > the world and is fine at least is Filipino Martial > Arts. Now some > personal persception of the words is not > acceptatble to us, but if > that what your instructor told you to believed, I > respect that. I > actually giving you an aplause, that you stand > rightto what your > "Guro's" belief and that is positive gesture to > your Guro. > > Now, I think after few months, that we read the > exchanges of post > between us Filipino opposing on "Kali" to be the > mother arts or > "quoting" the mother of all FMA. I personally > asked everyone involved > that I think it is time to move on and let get > this over with. Let > start to a brand new phase, of what we can work > togehter from here, > is not of what we can do un-unified us FMA. I > joined this group for > learning purposes, for getting some ideas how to > run a schopol, and > how effectively other Guro Teach. Since is not > un-known that I hae to > learn how to teach the "Business' minded way, > instead of the > Traditional Typical Eskrimador. I learned Eskrima, > Arnis and Estokada > from Pain. Pain is the good teacher, but Here in > United States in > particular, I cant do that, I have to alter the > way I was taught. > > So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in > the group is being > "A$$$decampousa" or disrespectful to the other > fellow Eskrimador, I > throw challenges, that I know some of you might > found very > dis-respectful, but to us Filipin Ekrimador this > is showiong respect > to the other Eskrimadores. To be challenge by > other Eskrimador is not > dis-respect, it is took as a honor, and you have a > choice of > accepting and declining. So I am and still the > same person talking. > > But I think is a the time, to put this "Kali" term > on rest before it > got out more on hand. There NO"Kali-linawan" > (clear result) on > keeping on going, it is just going back and port, > and start to get to > the point is becoming a personal attack to the > posterand I getting > sick of it. I am not sayiing they won, I just want > to go on, everyone > hear your side, our side and I think that fair > enough. Lets move on > and may be we can get more of it, than trhrowing > some soar words to > each other. > > I want everyone to know that I am still not a > "Kali" believer, but I > accept the term as vehicale to recognized the FMA > here in foreign > countries. This make it easier for me to step in > and introduced > "Arnis" Brand that I practiced. But no mistake, I > am still watching > those practitioner that have bigger mouth that > thier skills, I warned > everysingle one of you, that I am not stopping to > be a threat to you > all, and I want you to attack me if I said > something wrong too, I > think is fair.. > > Okay, To James Sy, good documentation and research > youve done and you > posted. To the Kali-depender, I salute you all to > the respect you put > to your instructors. Hopefully we can start a new > beginning and let > start to work together and promote the arts that > we love, regardless > of style and name. > > Salamat, If you take this as positive, thank you > and if you will take > this as negative that its up to you now, I will be > here willing to > answer your question as always.. > > Lets move on, New beginning, > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet > Garimot Arnis Training Group International > Laguna Arnis Federation International > US Harimaw Buno Federation > Hilot Research center USA > Tel. 954-432-4433 > www.garimot.com > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out > more about what's > free from AOL at AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Missed the show?  Watch videos of the Live Earth > Concert on MSN. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > Guy "T.C." Jones Owner/Head Instructor Cedar Hill Martial Arts Center 310 E. Parkerville Rd (Cedar Hill Rec Center) Cedar Hill Tx, 75104 See Grandmaster Anding de Leon and Guro T.C. Jones at www.arnisdeleon.com "When a leopard dies he leaves his skin...a man his reputation." --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest