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To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:44:47 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > It must be some kind of glitch but somehow it read: > > "So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being "A$$$decampousa" > or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador" > > Just thought that was weird. Did anyone else get a different word? Yes. Mine said A$$$rterry. Just Gat's way of challenging each and every one of us, at once. No problem, as long as I get to go first... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 2 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 18:49:16 EDT To: GatPuno@aol.com, eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all.(re-post) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I am reposting my post for clarification specially to the request of Guro Mario Gajo, I read it and look back to what I posted, and thank you, I was in a rush and this is not the first time, I have hundred of typo. But I don't see your name to my original post. Sorry. Here is my original post. I also correct some of the spelling. Hello, After a long silence, I want to move this "Kali" discussion to an end, Let put it this way. We as Filipino can't change the fact that "Kali" is has been accepted term for Filipino Martial Arts. But also we want to assure that the world hear from us Filipino, that Kali term as Filipino Martial Arts in the Philippines is unknown, nor the claim the Mother arts of Filipino Martial arts. To whom ever we have to put the blamed is not important anymore, what is done is done, the popularity of "Kali" term is successfully taking the world and is fine at least is Filipino Martial Arts. Now some personal perception of the words is not acceptable to us, but if that what your instructor told you to believed, I respect that. I actually giving you an applause, that you stand right to what your "Guro's" belief and that is positive gesture to your Guro. Now, I think after few months, that we read the exchanges of post between us Filipino opposing on "Kali" to be the mother arts or "quoting" the mother of all FMA. I personally asked everyone involved that I think it is time to move on and let get this over with. Let start to a brand new phase, of what we can work together from here, is not of what we can, or how do disunited us FMA. I joined this group for learning purposes, for getting some ideas how to run a school, and how effective the teaching style of other Guro. Since is known that I have to learn how to teach the "Business' minded way, instead of the Traditional Typical Eskrimador. I learned Eskrima, Arnis and Estokada from Pain. Pain is the good teacher, but here in United States in particular, I cant do that, I have to alter the way I was taught. So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being "A$$$fma" or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador, I throw challenges, that I know some of you might found very disrespectful, but to us Filipino Ekrimador this is showing respect to the other Eskrimadores. To be challenge by other Eskrimador is not disrespect, it is an honor, and you have a choice of accepting and declining, so I am and still the same person talking. But I think this is the time, to put this "Kali" term on rest before it got out more on hand. There NO"Kali-linawan" (clear result) on keeping on going, it is just going back and port, and start to get to the point is becoming a personal attack to the poster and I getting sick of it. I am not saying they won, I just want to go on, everyone hear your side, our side and I think that fair enough. Lets move on and may be we can get more of it, than throwing some soar words to each other. I want everyone to know that I am still not a "Kali"Believer, but I accept the term as vehicle to recognized the FMA here in foreign countries. This make it easier for me to step in and introduced "Arnis" Brand that I practiced. But no mistake, I am still watching those practitioner that have bigger mouth that their skills, I warned every single one of you, that I am not stopping to be a threat to you all, and I want you to attack me if I said something wrong too, I think is fair. Okay, To James Sy, good documentation and research you've done and you posted. To the Kali defender, I salute you all to the respect you put to your instructors.   Hopefully we can start a new beginning and let start to work together and promote the arts that we love, regardless of style and name. Salamat, If you take this as positive, thank you and if you will take this as negative that its up to you now, I will be here willing to answer your question as always. Lets move on, New beginning, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 15:56:10 -0700 (PDT) From: michael turk Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I got A$$$trkmchl, i think we all got our registered name in this email. Weird and not funny. trkmchl "Eskrima de Campo JDC-IO U.S.A." wrote: Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet It must be some kind of glitch but somehow it read: "So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being "A$$$decampousa" or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador" Just thought that was weird. Did anyone else get a different word? Jason Autajay Trainer Los Angeles & Orange County Chapters, United States Eskrima De Campo JDC-IO www.EskrimaDeCampo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: gatpuno@aol.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all. Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:38:58 -0400 Hello, After a long silence, I want to meve this "Kali" discussion to an end, Let put it this way. We as Filipino can't change the fact that "Kali" is has been accepted term for Filipino Martial Arts. But also we want to assure that the world hear from us Filipino that Kali term as Filipino Martilaa Arts in the Philippines is un-known, nor the the claim the Mother arts of Fililipino Martial arts. To whom ever we have to put the blamed is not important anymore, what is done is done, the popularity of "Kali" term is succesfully taking the world and is fine at least is Filipino Martial Arts. Now some personal persception of the words is not acceptatble to us, but if that what your instructor told you to believed, I respect that. I actually giving you an aplause, that you stand rightto what your "Guro's" belief and that is positive gesture to your Guro. Now, I think after few months, that we read the exchanges of post between us Filipino opposing on "Kali" to be the mother arts or "quoting" the mother of all FMA. I personally asked everyone involved that I think it is time to move on and let get this over with. Let start to a brand new phase, of what we can work togehter from here, is not of what we can do un-unified us FMA. I joined this group for learning purposes, for getting some ideas how to run a schopol, and how effectively other Guro Teach. Since is not un-known that I hae to learn how to teach the "Business' minded way, instead of the Traditional Typical Eskrimador. I learned Eskrima, Arnis and Estokada from Pain. Pain is the good teacher, but Here in United States in particular, I cant do that, I have to alter the way I was taught. So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being "A$$$decampousa" or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador, I throw challenges, that I know some of you might found very dis-respectful, but to us Filipin Ekrimador this is showiong respect to the other Eskrimadores. To be challenge by other Eskrimador is not dis-respect, it is took as a honor, and you have a choice of accepting and declining. So I am and still the same person talking. But I think is a the time, to put this "Kali" term on rest before it got out more on hand. There NO"Kali-linawan" (clear result) on keeping on going, it is just going back and port, and start to get to the point is becoming a personal attack to the posterand I getting sick of it. I am not sayiing they won, I just want to go on, everyone hear your side, our side and I think that fair enough. Lets move on and may be we can get more of it, than trhrowing some soar words to each other. I want everyone to know that I am still not a "Kali" believer, but I accept the term as vehicale to recognized the FMA here in foreign countries. This make it easier for me to step in and introduced "Arnis" Brand that I practiced. But no mistake, I am still watching those practitioner that have bigger mouth that thier skills, I warned everysingle one of you, that I am not stopping to be a threat to you all, and I want you to attack me if I said something wrong too, I think is fair.. Okay, To James Sy, good documentation and research youve done and you posted. To the Kali-depender, I salute you all to the respect you put to your instructors. Hopefully we can start a new beginning and let start to work together and promote the arts that we love, regardless of style and name. Salamat, If you take this as positive, thank you and if you will take this as negative that its up to you now, I will be here willing to answer your question as always.. Lets move on, New beginning, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Missed the show? Watch videos of the Live Earth Concert on MSN. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:00:42 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all. To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Fine with me. I want to be last. Hopefully, one of you 2,400 gentlemen before me should finish him off by attrition so I do not have to break out a sweat. :) Jay de Leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com Ray wrote: > It must be some kind of glitch but somehow it read: > > "So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being "A$$$decampousa" > or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador" > > Just thought that was weird. Did anyone else get a different word? Yes. Mine said A$$$rterry. Just Gat's way of challenging each and every one of us, at once. No problem, as long as I get to go first... :) Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:38:35 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] The Adventure continues! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: Kim wrote: > Hi all, > I remember reading somewhere, probably in Dan's book The Filipino Martial > Arts, That Lacoste did indeed call his art either Eskrima or > Kuntao/Silat. Not > only that, but Dan said that is was very hard to pin Manong Lacoste down > to > a specific style of Eskrima. When questioned on what style Lacoste > practiced, he said "Moro-Moro, Occidental Negroes (named for a region in > the > Philippines)" and something Lacoste called "one more." As Gilbert > Johnson said, " > 'one more' " is anybody's guess." The word "Kali" wasn't mentioned. Good point Kim. I had forgotten this! > > Kim Satterfield GP Abon wrote: >> Hello, > > After a long silence, I want to meve this "Kali" discussion to an end, Amen! > > To whom ever we have to put the blamed is not important anymore, what > is done is done, the popularity of "Kali" term is succesfully taking > the world and is fine at least is Filipino Martial Arts. Well, I'd quibble about "blamed" . . . LOL > Now some > personal persception of the words is not acceptatble to us, but if that > what your instructor told you to believed, I respect that. I actually > giving you an aplause, that you stand right to what your "Guro's" belief > and that is positive gesture to your Guro. :-) > So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being > "A$$$craftydog" or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador, I am glad to see that there is some internet mischief at work here-- other people are seeing other things at precisely this moment (see "PS" below)-- because otherwise I would be having a WTF moment :-) Any geeks here who can take a stab at how this was done? > Lets move on, New beginning, > > Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet The Adventure continues! CD ======== PS: > I got > > So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the > group is being "A$$$gurotc" or disrespectful to the... > > weird. > --- "Eskrima de Campo JDC-IO U.S.A." > wrote: > >> Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet ------------- >> It must be some kind of glitch but somehow it read: >> >> "So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the >> group is being "A$$$decampousa" or disrespectful to the other fellow >> Eskrimador" >> >> Just thought that was weird. Did anyone else get a different word? --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Al Sardinas" To: Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:58:55 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] RE:. Kali-litawan after all. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks Guro Jason and Guro T.C. I thought my own instructor was putting me down!!!! But when I read your messages I could not help but laugh!!! Thanks for making me feel at ease. LOL. I got "A$$$energy_as" or disrespectful....." Respectfully, Al Sardinas Student of the Garimot System of Arnis --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Mark Harrell" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 00:08:05 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Moving on ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet, Thank you for you contributions and even your strong opinions. I also joined this forum to continue to learn more about our common interest here which is the FMA.  Even though I have and will continue to be interested in your views and opinions with regards to FMA sometimes your delivery or hot-headed challenges dimminshes your standing. I still repect your opinions even when I do not always agree with them and I do value you and the knowledge you choose to share with us.  You mentioned my named in what most people would view in a childish and insulting way in your last post. This of course was not called for and in fact reflects poorly on you and your teachers. I do not have an axe to grind with you or the Kali topic but for some reason because you did not agree with my questioning, or my opinion on something you feel it neccessary to become very angry and stop the dialogue and start with the insults and challenges, etc...  I have not provoked or insulted you... You have perceived a disrepect where there is none. The name calling and issuing of challenges is not going to provide you or anyone with the respect, peace and "moving on" atmosphere that you desire and requested. How you express and conduct yourself is how you earn respect... You will not get what you need or want by name calling or the issuing of challenges and violance... Unless you need a lawsuit or want some prision time. I agree with you that perhaps it is time to move past all of this without any more drama, insults, challenges, etc, etc. I actually really enjoyed most of your last post and I agree with you that we probably exhausted this Kali topic for now.   If you feel the need to continue on this thread it is time to take it off line so that we can unburden the other Digest members from having to endure the "beating of a dead horse". Peace be with you, Mark Harrell   ************************************************************************** Message: 7 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 From: gatpuno@aol.com Subject: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all. Hello, After a long silence, I want to meve this "Kali" discussion to an end, Let put it this way. We as Filipino can't change the fact that "Kali" is has been accepted term for Filipino Martial Arts.......... .........So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being "A$$$mark_harrell" or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador, I throw challenges, that I know some of you might found very dis-respectful, but to us Filipin Ekrimador this is showiong respect to the other Eskrimadores. To be challenge by other Eskrimador is not dis-respect, it is took as a honor, and you have a choice of accepting and declining. So I am and still the same person talking. But I think is a the time, to put this "Kali" term on rest before it got out more on hand. There NO"Kali-linawan" (clear result) on keeping on going, it is just going back and port, and start to get to the point is becoming a personal attack to the posterand I getting sick of it. I am not sayiing they won, I just want to go on, everyone hear your side, our side and I think that fair enough. Lets move on and may be we can get more of it, than trhrowing some soar words to each other. I want everyone to know that I am still not a "Kali" believer, but I accept the term as vehicale to recognized the FMA here in foreign countries. This make it easier for me to step in and introduced "Arnis" Brand that I practiced. But no mistake, I am still watching those practitioner that have bigger mouth that thier skills, I warned everysingle one of you, that I am not stopping to be a threat to you all, and I want you to attack me if I said something wrong too, I think is fair.. Okay, To James Sy, good documentation and research youve done and you posted. To the Kali-depender, I salute you all to the respect you put to your instructors.  Hopefully we can start a new beginning and let start to work together and promote the arts that we love, regardless of style and name. Salamat, If you take this as positive, thank you and if you will take this as negative that its up to you now, I will be here willing to answer your question as always.. Lets move on, New beginning, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com       ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now!  --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 17:21:17 -0700 From: "Terrence David Reyes" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] The weird Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >>>>>Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet It must be some kind of glitch but somehow it read: "So I only voice out my opinion, when someone in the group is being "A$$$decampousa" or disrespectful to the other fellow Eskrimador" Just thought that was weird. Did anyone else get a different word? Jason Autajay Trainer Los Angeles & Orange County Chapters, United States <<<<<< Copy that. I got "group is being "A$$$tdr6942". Almost took it personal. :) Glad it wasn't only me. Best Regards. David Reyes Stockton, CA --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:16:38 -0500 From: "Mr. Lepp" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: You Got Mail was;Re: [Eskrima] Kali-litawan after all. Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey now Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet How did you do that, "A$$$mrlepp" Please share the code that you used. Lonnie "A$$$mrlepp" Lepp --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 20:59:49 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Marine MMA BEFORE the current training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Since it wasn't clear who SSgt Armstrong was replying to, I'll field the response. Let me begin by saying that MY experience was FIRST HAND Plt 2066 MCRD San Diego in the summer of 1987. You may have read about it in your USMC history classes in boot camp. We still wore black LEATHER boots without speedlaces and our covers were starched not stitched into shape. Just out of curiosity, SSgt, what were you doing that summer? My guess is enjoying the summer vacation after 5th grade. The guns that I kept online and firing were decomissioned before you graduated from high school. Now I'm not going to launch into the whole "What have they done to my beloved Corps" and hammer the current process, far from it. I LIKE where it has gone. I feel like I got cheated. SSgt, all due respect, but your 8 years makes you boot to me. Saddly I am a product of the Pepsi Generation Marine Corps of Commandant General P.X. Kelly, dark times indeed, BEFORE the return of a true and proper Marine in General Al Grey. My hand to hand sucked. McDojo on a good day. The training information that was in our Guidebook was EXACTLY the same as that in my FATHER'S from 1963, with the exception of updates in the firearms. The techniques that we were taught were quaint and antiquated at best! Something you might see in a movie like The Guns of Navaronne or the Dirty Dozen. While delightfully dangerous and deadly in Hollywood and admittedly better than nothing, it was nowhere near what the current crop of Devil Dogs has access to. Funny how an old salt takes umbrage when a Devil Pup misreads a word or two ain't it? The Gun Doc Quebec Battery 5th Bn 11th Mar. 7th MEB, Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center, 29 Palms www.eskrimacustoms.com Fine handmade combat hardwoodand training tools --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest