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Re: KALI-LITAWAN (DISUNITED) (iPat) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 19:19:54 -1000 From: "Karl Vorwerk" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] History Channel Human Weapon Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net History Channel Friday The show Human Weapon will be on Eskrima. There will also be a repeat of the Muay Thai show also. Karl --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:59:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Guro Dennis Servaes To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, csemt-serrada_escrima , worldofserrada Subject: [Eskrima] Palo Canario - Canary Islands Stickfighting Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Spanish have ancient stickfighting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqzSUthHwbg Train hard and have fun! Dennis --__--__-- Message: 3 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 07:02:23 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] KALI-LITAWAN (DISUNITED) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I everyone of you that e-mail me privately, wow, I wish I know what code I used to includes every personal email, the word. But you know what, I realized a lot of you in the list actually like me, and I am sorry has to be this way. But I thank everyone, specially "whoever did this", share us the info how to do that. I e-mail a friend of mine that "manage" a group list like this, and he has no idea how to do this. more 2000, member reading this, and I understand to used a non-coded word in "NO", next time Iwill be more carefull "Quoting" a offensive words. But I learn a lot from it, and I am not soar, has to be me the first huh? Believed me I have all the time to e-mail back everyone and kind of nice after the e-mail a lot of you invited me still. Now I have to think who to talk seriously, you might have a hidded agenda for inviting me, its okay. Again, if you dont realized what is going on, I am not skilled in computer to do this. So this is technical mistake..but if you will used this to throw a good "word" of the day, I am here and I assure you I will listen and read whatever you write me. I deserve all of this, and I am not backing out to face them, I recieved a lot of bad-mounting e-mail, I also read a good-curious email, I recieved a lot confused e-mail, but the fact that matter is every one that e-mail me understand the situation after all, and I thank you all for that. We are not disunited, actually we are United, from more that 170 e-mail I recieved privately cost of this, everyone extend their invitation and frindship with me and the "GAT" organization, thank you. Now I kind of glad that this happen, some you want too rip me apart, some you are taking as a joke, and some of you noot know how to handle, but e-mailing me is show's me that you are all a good fighter. Thank you, and sorry has to be this way to be in contact.. please accept my apology to all that took this as very childish act. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --__--__-- Message: 4 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:21:23 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] GAT-challenge Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Ray, Can't wait.. ;) Just Gat's way of challenging each and every one of us, at once. No problem, as long as I get to go first... :) Ray Terry _rterry@idiom.com_ (mailto:rterry@idiom.com) Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --__--__-- Message: 5 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:32:11 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Good Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mark Harrel, You are not he only one feeling this way, you are part of the more than 170 members got the message that express there concern. Thank you, atleast you are publicly shows your appreciation of my contribution, negative or positive. You know what, I remember being thrown that words, I am poorly taught by instructor, I tell you what that common already, after 7 years of showing "Laguna" that I can defeat anyone on the stick Fighting Tournaments, still the loser are screaming that I am poorly taught by my instructor. Sorry if they feel that way, I am stateing the fact and showing the factthe I can, but I respect your opinion, that was me then and this is still me now.. Salamat for being straight up, good quality of a fighter, Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International request@martialartsresource.net writes: Hello Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet, Thank you for you contributions and even your strong opinions. I also joined this forum to continue to learn more about our common interest here which is the FMA. Even though I have and will continue to be interested in your views and opinions with regards to FMA sometimes your delivery or hot-headed challenges dimminshes your standing. I still repect your opinions even when I do not always agree with them and I do value you and the knowledge you choose to share with us. You mentioned my named in what most people would view in a childish and insulting way in your last post. This of course was not called for and in fact reflects poorly on you and your teachers. I do not have an axe to grind with you or the Kali topic but for some reason because you did not agree with my questioning, or my opinion on something you feel it neccessary to become very angry and stop the dialogue and start with the insults and challenges, etc... I have not provoked or insulted you... You have perceived a disrepect where there is none. The name calling and issuing of challenges is not going to provide you or anyone with the respect, peace and "moving on" atmosphere that you desire and requested. How you express and conduct yourself is how you earn respect... You will not get what you need or want by name calling or the issuing of challenges and violance... Unless you need a lawsuit or want some prision time. I agree with you that perhaps it is time to move past all of this without any more drama, insults, challenges, etc, etc. I actually really enjoyed most of your last post and I agree with you that we probably exhausted this Kali topic for now. If you feel the need to continue on this thread it is time to take it off line so that we can unburden the other Digest members from having to endure the "beating of a dead horse". Peace be with you, Mark Harrell ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --__--__-- Message: 6 From: To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:11:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Marine MMA BEFORE the current training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was actually born in 1973 so I was not in the fifth grade and I am not really looking for a fight with you hard charger but I was with Lima company 3/9 out at camp margarita in camp Pendleton California. When I entered boot camp at MCRD San Diego back in 1992 APR 13 we learned boxing and the new stuff which was lovingly referred to as line training. I was just trying to figure out when you said the training of the 90s was weak. as a Devil Dog trained in the 90s I may be a boot to you but I was in when general grey was just leaving the Corps. I am unaware when you last trained hand to hand in the Corps but in the 90s it was line training if you had not ever seen this then I will assure you it was very effective and for you're benefit they told us when we came in things like you are lucky back in my day and things like that so from a boot to an old salt I am just defending my Era in the Corps and our style of fighting. as always SEMPER FIDELIS SSG ARMSTRONG ----- Original Message ----- From: B Katz Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 23:03 Subject: [Eskrima] Marine MMA BEFORE the current training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Since it wasn't clear who SSgt Armstrong was replying to, I'll
> field the response. Let me begin by saying that MY experience was > FIRST HAND Plt 2066 MCRD San Diego in the summer of 1987. You may > have read about it in your USMC history classes in boot camp. We > still wore black LEATHER boots without speedlaces and our covers > were starched not stitched into shape. Just out of curiosity, > SSgt, what were you doing that summer? My guess is enjoying the > summer vacation after 5th grade. The guns that I kept online and > firing were decomissioned before you graduated from high school. > > Now I'm not going to launch into the whole "What have they done > to my beloved Corps" and hammer the current process, far from it. > I LIKE where it has gone. I feel like I got cheated. SSgt, all due > respect, but your 8 years makes you boot to me. > > Saddly I am a product of the Pepsi Generation Marine Corps of > Commandant General P.X. Kelly, dark times indeed, BEFORE the > return of a true and proper Marine in General Al Grey. > > My hand to hand sucked. McDojo on a good day. The training > information that was in our Guidebook was EXACTLY the same as that > in my FATHER'S from 1963, with the exception of updates in the > firearms. The techniques that we were taught were quaint and > antiquated at best! Something you might see in a movie like The > Guns of Navaronne or the Dirty Dozen. While delightfully dangerous > and deadly in Hollywood and admittedly better than nothing, it was > nowhere near what the current crop of Devil Dogs has access to. > > Funny how an old salt takes umbrage when a Devil Pup misreads a > word or two ain't it? > > The Gun Doc > Quebec Battery 5th Bn 11th Mar. 7th MEB, Marine Corps Air Ground > Combat Center, 29 Palms > > www.eskrimacustoms.com > Fine handmade combat hardwoodand training tools > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Palo Canario - Canary Islands Stickfighting Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:54:56 -0400 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Nice! But doesn't look like sword fighting drills replaced by longer sticks? Just curious. -----Original Message----- From: Guro Dennis Servaes [mailto:dennisservaes@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:59 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net; csemt-serrada_escrima; worldofserrada Subject: [Eskrima] Palo Canario - Canary Islands Stickfighting The Spanish have ancient stickfighting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqzSUthHwbg Train hard and have fun! Dennis _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Palo Canario - Canary Islands Stickfighting Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:14:14 -0400 From: "Cayson, Clint" To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Corrections to my post: It should read like this... ... But does that look like sword fighting drills replaced by longer sticks? Just curious. Sorry for the inconvenience.. Clint -----Original Message----- From: Cayson, Clint [mailto:CCayson@luxuryresorts.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 10:55 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Palo Canario - Canary Islands Stickfighting Nice! But doesn't look like sword fighting drills replaced by longer sticks? Just curious. -----Original Message----- From: Guro Dennis Servaes [mailto:dennisservaes@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 2:59 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net; csemt-serrada_escrima; worldofserrada Subject: [Eskrima] Palo Canario - Canary Islands Stickfighting The Spanish have ancient stickfighting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqzSUthHwbg Train hard and have fun! Dennis _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 08:55:10 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Marine MMA BEFORE the current training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net You see what general Gray did for y'all! :) The first, last and ONLY time us pre-line training guys got to throw a punch in training was in Boot Camp. I would have knocked an old lady into traffic to get "continuing education" like you Newbies get! We had to learn it the hard way, which usually led to a conversation with PMO or the sheriff. When I got the e-blurb about Marine MMA from military.com I was stoked! I thought "FINALLY!! They put their money where their mouth is about "Warrior Training!" I think that this disagreement stems from a generation gap! Stop by Ft Wayne sometime, and let an old, bitter bastard buy you a beer or 12! Oh, hey... sorry 'bout the 5th grade comment. I was trying to light ya off! I'm pretty sure I heard your teeth grinding from here! Semper Fi, Little Brother! Keep your noggin down and your knife sharp! Brandon www.eskrimacustoms.com handmade hardwood fighting sticks and trainers --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:20:10 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Manong Lacoste and Kali Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 10:36 AM 7/25/2007, you wrote: >.... I have to admit, though, that in all this discussion about the >origins and >legitimacy of the usage of the word "Kali", I am a bit confused on why >this is >an issue (no disrespect intended toward any contributors to this >discussion) .... The word "Kali" >didn't just come out of thin air; I do believe Dan when he says that he >learned >of the term from his teachers and predecessors. I learned a lot of the >history of the Filipino arts, particularly the development of the >arts here in >America, from Dan, and my take on all this is that "Kali" is a term that >came >down from Floro Villabrille and Ben Largusa, and was the term given to the >conglomeration that Villibrille developed from his travels and studies, and >passed down to Largusa. I don't have a problem at all with the >term.....In my opinion, Dan, as well as >Villabrille and Largusa, can call their art anything they want. To me, >these >guys are at the top of the mountain, and concerning matters on their art, I >will defer to them. What the art is called isn't as important to me as the >content of the art. But then again, I'm a pragmatic sort of person, and >substance >over symbolism has always been my priority. > >Kim Satterfield >Midwest School of Eskrima > AMEN! And as to the question of whether the word Kali was used 400 years ago, ok, maybe it wasn't. It wouldn't be the first time a martial art changed names; karate-do springs to mind. The art still existed even if we can not agree on what it may have been called at the time. Beyond that, I prefer to go along with a very wise man who once said, "I'd rather practice." Respects, Michael Gallagher Cortland, New York USA --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 09:48:34 -0700 From: "Lawrence, Marc J." To: Cc: Subject: [Eskrima] New Book available from PAKAMUT Fighting Arts Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net To All, This to share that our systems book has come out. PAKAMUT Book Promotion Master Felix Roiles and Guro Marc Lawrence have completed the self- published Level 1 manual on the PAKAMUT fighting system. This was a 1 year long project, on the subject of the traditional style village based fighting system taught by the Roiles family in the Mountains of Mactan. The project was originally started by Master Felix Roiles in 1996 in an effort to record the knowledge passed on by his ancestors. Master Felix Roiles is best known for his 2-time world heavy weight championship titles in the WEKAF tournaments. This book is designed to be basic training manual to continue the training system in traditional way utilizing the old ways with training starting with stick, transiting with knife and finishing with empty hands. This book loaded with practical tips, training methods, and to how make your own training aids! The cost of the book is 19.95 US funds, shipping is extra. To order your copy contact: www.valleymartialarts.com For additional information contact: Master Felix P. Roiles President/ Chief Instructor PAKAMUT INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION P.O. Box 65552 Los Angeles, CA. 90065-0552 U.S.A. Tel. 323-350-8500 Email: felixflp@msn.com Guro Marc Lawrence South Bay-Torrance Tel. 310-420-7062 Email: mjlawrence@sbcglobal.net or marc.lawrence@ngc.com I personally want thank all of you for your support of Filipino Martial Arts over the years. Marc Lawrence South Bay --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:59:11 +0000 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] KALI-LITAWAN (DISUNITED) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net im still hurting from laughing! no offence was taken, nor any has been given with intent On 7/26/07, GatPuno@aol.com wrote: -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest