Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:58:33 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #228 - 12 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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McGrath Seminars (william mcgrath) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: mireed@stmaryshealth.com To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:28:40 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Marine MMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I was also in MCRD San Diego Plt. 2066 In 1987. I must say the hand to hand was poor in my opinion. I hope that what they are showing the recruits today is head and shoulders above what I was shown then. I thought that Martial Arts was non effective for a long time and then I ran into Inayan Eskrima and it opened my eyes.      &nb sp;            &n bsp;            & nbsp;                           ;            &nbs p;            &nb sp;        M. Reed          &n bsp;            & nbsp;                           ;            &nbs p;            &nb sp;          www.Inayan.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:11:04 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] "Kali Proof" - Direct vs. Circumstantial Evidence Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net After more than 3 months of discussing this matter, I guess any personal decision to accept the authenticity of the Yambao/Mirafuente Kali claim now depends on what level of evidence is acceptable to you. If you are looking for direct evidence (such as the written manifesto of a pre-Hispanic Philippine chieftain...=[:->]...), there is currently none. And I don't think there will be one in the near future. If circumstantial evidence is already acceptable to you, however, much have already been presented in the previous posts. To those who want to know more the difference between circumstantial and direct evidence, I have posted below certain selected excerpts from Wikipedia: *'Circumstantial evidence are unrelated facts that, when considered together, can be used to infer a conclusion about something unknown. Circumstantial evidence is usually a theory, supported by a significant quantity of corroborating evidence.* *The distinction between direct and circumstantial evidence is important because, with the obvious exceptions (the immature, incompetent, or mentally ill), nearly all criminals are careful to not generate direct evidence, and try to avoid demonstrating criminal intent.... A popular misconception is that circumstantial evidence is less valid or less important than direct evidence. This is only partly true: direct evidence is generally considered more powerful, but successful criminal prosecutions often rely largely on circumstantial evidence, and civil charges are frequently based on circumstantial or indirect evidence. In practice, circumstantial evidence often has an advantage over direct evidence in that it is more difficult to suppress or fabricate.... Much of the evidence against Timothy McVeigh was circumstantial, for example. Speaking about McVeigh's trial, University of Michigan law professor Robert Precht said, "Circumstantial evidence can be, and often is much more powerful than direct evidence". The recent Scott Peterson trial was based heavily on circumstantial evidence.'* --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:41:17 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Palo Canario Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Woof All: I recognize Alfonso Acosta Gil of Cartagena, Spain in that clip with his little daughter. Those interested in Palo Canario can find a fairly substantial thread in Spanish at our Spanish language forum at http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=701.0 and one in English at http://dogbrothers.com/phpBB2/index.php?topic=328.0 TAC, CD --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:01:03 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Marine MMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sgt Lamb, Hazim and Crew your DI's? We picked up at the end of June, I think it was the 28th... --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:09:57 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] "Kali Proof" - Direct vs. Circumstantial Evidence To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "If you are looking for direct evidence (such as the written manifesto of a pre-Hispanic Philippine chieftain...=[:->]...)" a grainy film posted in youtube with a date imprint and a voice-over by the chieftain uttering the word "kali" at least once, would be an acceptable substitute. Jay de Leon www.tipunan.com bgdebuque wrote: After more than 3 months of discussing this matter, I guess any personal decision to accept the authenticity of the Yambao/Mirafuente Kali claim now depends on what level of evidence is acceptable to you. If you are looking for direct evidence (such as the written manifesto of a pre-Hispanic Philippine chieftain...=[:->]...), there is currently none. And I don't think there will be one in the near future. If circumstantial evidence is already acceptable to you, however, much have already been presented in the previous posts. To those who want to know more the difference between circumstantial and direct evidence, I have posted below certain selected excerpts from Wikipedia: *'Circumstantial evidence are unrelated facts that, when considered together, can be used to infer a conclusion about something unknown. Circumstantial evidence is usually a theory, supported by a significant quantity of corroborating evidence.* *The distinction between direct and circumstantial evidence is important because, with the obvious exceptions (the immature, incompetent, or mentally ill), nearly all criminals are careful to not generate direct evidence, and try to avoid demonstrating criminal intent.... A popular misconception is that circumstantial evidence is less valid or less important than direct evidence. This is only partly true: direct evidence is generally considered more powerful, but successful criminal prosecutions often rely largely on circumstantial evidence, and civil charges are frequently based on circumstantial or indirect evidence. In practice, circumstantial evidence often has an advantage over direct evidence in that it is more difficult to suppress or fabricate.... Much of the evidence against Timothy McVeigh was circumstantial, for example. Speaking about McVeigh's trial, University of Michigan law professor Robert Precht said, "Circumstantial evidence can be, and often is much more powerful than direct evidence". The recent Scott Peterson trial was based heavily on circumstantial evidence.'* _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Alex Ercia" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:17:39 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] A$$$$$$alexercia/Putting the Kal term asidei Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Kuya Abon and fellow Ed members, When I read this I was humored by it as my name came out A$$$alexercia. Hey guys, I respect all of you and especially Gat PUno Abon(to whom I consider my big brother in the arts hence-Kuya). SO I would agree with you Kuya Abon. Bout the Kali issue, like I said let's not make too much of a fuss about it. It's just a name. Like Me Alex,Big Al, Lex, Alexander, Taba(fatty)-hahahaha! You name it. I am just agreeing with all. LIke I said you can go home and plant Kamote(yams, sweet potato). If you just need to make more of a fuss over the name. hahaha. joke only! I also agree with Kuya Abon bout the Challenge that he is showing his confidence and Strong conviction as a true fighter/Arnisador. If you know Kuya Abon he is a very likeable and funny person. But he believes in his ability as a True Arnisador and Fighter. So he carries himself in such a way. All respect to you all for carrying on the legacy of our Filipino Ancestors. A$$$$AlexErcia! _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary!  http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Mark Harrell" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:27:48 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] My apology Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet, I would not have responded to your first email at all if my name was not mentionedin what I thought was an inappropriate way.  I did not know that there was some sort of computer problem or glich that placed digest members names into your email messagethat I found to be personally insulting.   Now that I know that you were not responsible for what appears to have been a glich or error I extend my apology to you for my misplaced reponse with regards to what I mistakenly found to be childish and insulting. It is my hope that at some level you understand and appreciate that there is alot more to life and even the martial arts than merely beating or defeating others whether in tournaments or in real streetfights.  There are two old saying that I find both powerful and useful: "He who overcomes others is strong but he who overcomes himself knows true power." "You attract more flies with honey than you do with a stick." You have so much more to offer than just the fighter in you. I look forward to you sharing not only your knowledge and skills but also your expression of some of the higher qualities or attributes of an accomplished martial artist such as yourself. Peace be with you. Respectfully, Mark Harrell *********************************************************************>Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet wrote: >Mark Harrell, >You are not he only one feeling this way, you are part of the more than 170  >members got the message that express there concern. Thank you, at least you are >publicly shows your appreciation of my contribution, negative or positive. >You know what, I remember being thrown that words, I am poorly taught by  >instructor, I tell you what that common already, after 7 years of showing  >"Laguna" that I can defeat anyone on the stick Fighting Tournaments, still the  >loser are screaming that I am poorly taught by my instructor. Sorry  if they >feel that way, I am stateing the fact and showing the factthe I  can, but I respect >your opinion, that was me then and this is still me  now.. >Salamat for being straight up, good quality of a fighter, >Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet >Garimot Arnis Training Group International   ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 15:46:27 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] A$$$$$$alexercia/Putting the Kal term asidei To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have never seen anybody carry that title A$$$ with as much pride as you, kapatid Alex :). you are also right. for those of us that know kapatid Abon, he has a jolly exterior, an infectious smile and a happy-go-lucky demeanor, and is forever cracking jokes. on the other hand, he considers himself an arnis warrior and conducts himself accordingly, and brooks no disrespect from anybody. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com Alex Ercia wrote: Hi Kuya Abon and fellow Ed members, When I read this I was humored by it as my name came out A$$$alexercia. Hey guys, I respect all of you and especially Gat PUno Abon(to whom I consider my big brother in the arts hence-Kuya). SO I would agree with you Kuya Abon. Bout the Kali issue, like I said let's not make too much of a fuss about it. It's just a name. Like Me Alex,Big Al, Lex, Alexander, Taba(fatty)-hahahaha! You name it. I am just agreeing with all. LIke I said you can go home and plant Kamote(yams, sweet potato). If you just need to make more of a fuss over the name. hahaha. joke only! I also agree with Kuya Abon bout the Challenge that he is showing his confidence and Strong conviction as a true fighter/Arnisador. If you know Kuya Abon he is a very likeable and funny person. But he believes in his ability as a True Arnisador and Fighter. So he carries himself in such a way. All respect to you all for carrying on the legacy of our Filipino Ancestors. A$$$$AlexErcia! _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 9 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:08:05 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [Eskrima] Stick Fencing of the Canary Islands Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net FWIW... Stick Fencing of the Canary Islands http://www.ejmas.com/jwma/articles/2000/jwmaart_wolf_0500.html Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:42:24 -0700 (PDT) From: william mcgrath To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Silat from Brunei? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Guys, Anyone here know anything about an art from Brunei called Silat Suffian Bela Diri? It looks very different from any other silat I have seen and, at least to my eyes, looks strongly influenced by FMA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrN_0Vvs3dc&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2DtCUfCyfk&mode=related&search= http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oc8ip13aM0&mode=related&search= Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. --__--__-- Message: 11 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 18:13:14 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [Eskrima] full contact Arnis in the RP ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In the late 1970s there were RP national tournies held in Manila and in Cebu City where the FMA masters got together to see who would come out on top in nationwide full-contact competition. Do the National Arnis Invitationals still occur? Or it is mostly just small events during village fiestas? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 20:11:35 -0700 (PDT) From: william mcgrath To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] McGrath Seminars Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Easthampton, MA August 19th Karambit mini class (4 hrs) Contact: Ernie Laberge Ph: (413) 527-7027 Ashokan, NY Sept 15th Short Sword mini class (1 hr) This class is one of several knife related classes/lectures held at the New England Bladesmith’s Guild 26th Annual Bladesmithing seminar held over the weekend of Sept 14, 15, 16. Website: www.cashenblades.com/Ashokan.html Regards, Tuhon Bill McGrath www.pekiti.com --------------------------------- Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! 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