Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 02:58:33 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #230 - 10 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2400 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Human Weapon (Mike Casto) 2. Bourne Ultimatum (L. E.) 3. Brotherhood of The Blade (Tom Howanic) 4. Re: A$$$$$$alexercia/Putting the Kal term asidei (Michael Gallagher) 5. Re: A$$$$$$alexercia/Putting the Kal term asidei (jay de leon) 6. RE: Human Weapon (Abdon S. Borges Jr., M.D.) 7. RE: Human Weapon (B Katz) 8. Re: Human Weapon (Ray) 9. Re: Human Weapon (Mike Casto) 10. Re: Human Weapon (nephalim1@aim.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 23:03:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Human Weapon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yup. I thought it was OK. I felt that it was pretty slanted in the take on the history that they did discuss - to be expected I guess. I was most surprised by the fact that they never once mentioned GM Cacoy. I suppose it makes a certain amount of since (politically) when you consider that Diony's Doce Pares group seemed to be one of their primary hosts in the PI. But, still, I expected that they'd at least mention him and maybe provide a little more of the Doce Pares history (they barely gave it more than a passing nod - they didn't even mention the Canete brothers and their role in the Doce Pares org over the decades). Aw well. It was better than I expected and not near what I hoped for ... about par for the course when it comes to media coverage (especially popular media) of FMA. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:48:14 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Human Weapon Not as bad as I feared it would be. Personally, I felt that they focused entirely too much on the technique and not the history and diversity of the FMAs. I was disappointed to see nothing in the way of defensive tactics or counters being employed during the fight at the end, even by the Filipino champ. Gotta admit though, Boyo can take a beating! Cheers! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "L. E." To: Eskrima Digest Eskrima Digest Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 14:50:19 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Bourne Ultimatum Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Greetings all! It was a pleasure to watch all the GMs on Human Weapon. It was a treat to see GM Diony again, and especially nice to see the Doce Pares headquarters in Cebu. Objectively, I feel the piece did a good job to exposed & introduce the FMA to those uninitiated. It also reflected nicely on the training conducted in the barrios & showed glimpses of the natural terrain. Respects to the Doce Pares, Balintawak & Pekiti Tirsia organizations! From last week's Thai segment, it seems they visit only 3 groups. It was unfortunate not to see other systems highlighted. It was especially sweet that the "duel" at the end of the program was done without protective gear other than the padded metal baston. The episode was very realistic, including the "banged-up" finger/finger nail the host suffered & the incident where the other host accidently & painfully hit himself in the head. I was waiting to hear them complain about their hand callouses from all the impact training & amarra. I wish the film editing would have given credit to Tuhon Leo Gaje for the Pekiti Tirsia piece with the Special Forces Recon group. I will be looking forward to the latest installment of the Jason Bourne saga. I spoke with Jeff Imada last summer. Jeff told me that he was working with Matt Damon. In the past, Mr. Damon has been kind to our arts & has publicly credited his training in FMA. Due to the efforts of many of the alumni from the Inosanto Academy, our beloved FMA will shine once again due to their fight/stunt choreography association with Hollywood. The HBO special showed Mr. Damon performing hubud & kunsi. I hope that much of the Kali will come accross & not be lost by editing. Maraming salamat, Lino Espejo _________________________________________________________________ Local listings, incredible imagery, and driving directions - all in one place! Find it! --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Tom Howanic" To: Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 11:25:50 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Brotherhood of The Blade Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I wanted to remind everyone about the Brotherhood of The Blade workshop in Chicago. Should be a great seminar with knife instructors from all over. If you want info you can email Dave Vargas at FDVargas0351@Aol.Com or go to the workshop web site- www.freewebs.com/bladecombat/courses.htm Thanks everyone. tom --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 12:25:13 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] A$$$$$$alexercia/Putting the Kal term asidei Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 06:46 PM 7/26/2007, you wrote: >I have never seen anybody carry that title > A$$$ with as much pride as you, kapatid > Alex :). > But how would you pronounce that? :) --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:01:50 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] A$$$$$$alexercia/Putting the Kal term asidei To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net lovingly, and outside the range of Alex Ercia's baston. Michael Gallagher wrote: At 06:46 PM 7/26/2007, you wrote: >I have never seen anybody carry that title > A$$$ with as much pride as you, kapatid > Alex :). > But how would you pronounce that? :) _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Abdon S. Borges Jr., M.D." To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Human Weapon Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:08:18 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I enjoyed it thoroughly! I am happy that the FMA's are being shown more to the public, and I am happy for the increased awareness. Couple of things I did not understand though, for instance, why wasn't Tuhon Gaje included in the section on Pekiti Tirsia, and only on the "traditional Kali" section? He is, after all, the Grand Tuhon in Pekiti Tirsia!!! I think he should have been given credit as such. Also, they were calling the Ginunting a Bolo?!?!? I wish they would have called it by its proper name, as they are 2 very different weapons with very different purposes. I really enjoyed the scene with the water buffalo! Also the Doce Pares was excellent!! Very good and enjoyable show overall!!! Abdon -----Original Message----- From: Mike Casto [mailto:sikal@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 2:04 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Human Weapon Yup. I thought it was OK. I felt that it was pretty slanted in the take on the history that they did discuss - to be expected I guess. I was most surprised by the fact that they never once mentioned GM Cacoy. I suppose it makes a certain amount of since (politically) when you consider that Diony's Doce Pares group seemed to be one of their primary hosts in the PI. But, still, I expected that they'd at least mention him and maybe provide a little more of the Doce Pares history (they barely gave it more than a passing nod - they didn't even mention the Canete brothers and their role in the Doce Pares org over the decades). Aw well. It was better than I expected and not near what I hoped for ... about par for the course when it comes to media coverage (especially popular media) of FMA. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 11:48:14 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Human Weapon Not as bad as I feared it would be. Personally, I felt that they focused entirely too much on the technique and not the history and diversity of the FMAs. I was disappointed to see nothing in the way of defensive tactics or counters being employed during the fight at the end, even by the Filipino champ. Gotta admit though, Boyo can take a beating! Cheers! _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:50:11 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Human Weapon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My suspicion on the whole bolo-ginunting deal was the segue into the "bolo brigade" piece. I mean really... havn't you seen all the "bolos", (read as parang, golok, talibon etc...) on eBay for sale? That and most of us pink folks are too arrogant to learn the proper nomenclature of things not of our immediate world. They did jam an awfull lot of info into an hour long show. I would bet that there was a ton of good stuff that didn't make it past the editor's knife! Mabuhay ang Inayan Eskrima! --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Human Weapon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 10:34:54 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > .... I was most surprised > by the fact that they never once mentioned GM Cacoy. I suppose it makes a > certain amount of since (politically) when you consider that Diony's Doce > Pares group seemed to be one of their primary hosts in the PI. Diony has the $$ to bring them in. And given the bad blood between Diony and Cacoy (Diony's uncle) they have agreed to never speak of each other. I suspect that may have had something to do it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 13:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Human Weapon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yup. That's why I said it makes some sense politically but it was still somewhat startling that there wasn't even a passing mention :-) Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 1:34:54 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Human Weapon > .... I was most surprised > by the fact that they never once mentioned GM Cacoy. I suppose it makes a > certain amount of since (politically) when you consider that Diony's Doce > Pares group seemed to be one of their primary hosts in the PI. Diony has the $$ to bring them in. And given the bad blood between Diony and Cacoy (Diony's uncle) they have agreed to never speak of each other. I suspect that may have had something to do it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 10 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Human Weapon Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 16:34:13 -0400 From: nephalim1@aim.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net my biggest beef was about the length of Spanish rule.? Over 450 years!? 1898-1565= 333? hmmm...? the show wasn't about history so why bother being accurate... oh well...... Jose Capitulo www.nephalimson.blogspot.com -----Original Message----- From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Sat, 28 Jul 2007 1:34 pm Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Human Weapon > .... I was most surprised > by the fact that they never once mentioned GM Cacoy. I suppose it makes a > certain amount of since (politically) when you consider that Diony's Doce > Pares group seemed to be one of their primary hosts in the PI. Diony has the $$ to bring them in. And given the bad blood between Diony and Cacoy (Diony's uncle) they have agreed to never speak of each other. I suspect that may have had something to do it. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest