Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 02:58:31 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #254 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2400 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Larry Hartsell (iPat) 2. Re: Re: Mark Wiley (Felipe Jocano) 3. Re: Larry Hartsell (Steve Klement) 4. Chicago Tribune Eskrima article (Sidney Stein) 5. Re: Re: Mark Wiley (Ray) 6. RE: Re: Sikiran (mpc60) 7. Re: Re: Sikiran (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 10:04:02 +0100 From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Larry Hartsell Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for being a major inspiration in my training. I was priveleged to be able to share some stories and jokes in recent years but the seminars in the 80's were a major influence on my training. RIP On 8/21/07, Ray wrote: > Sifu Larry Hartsell has passed away; Monday, August 20. > > http://www.martialinfo.com/comments/LarryHartsell > > Ray Terry > -- Pat Davies www.amag.org.uk Most people have the will to win, few have the will to prepare to win. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 05:24:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Mark Wiley To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Jon, hi Ray; Yes it would be a good idea to hear from Mark about his side of the comments. Perhaps, Ray, that would help my reddening itchy curiousity bump :-) Here's why my bump got itchy: Regardless of everything else, this list is a great help and virtual space to be in (cheers, Ray!). Having said that, when I read a post about someone I know that touches on his reputation and about things supposed to have done and motives imputed thereby, I get curious and ask: why was that said and where is the proof? When reputations are the issue, when motives are brought up, I would rather tread very carefully. Of such things can endless wrangles continue (not to mention all the itchy curiousity bumps now beyond help :->). Or worse. Reputations stained can be costly to a lot of people. So when something touching on reputations is put out in public, I believe that some proof should be shown. Which is why I persistently ask: where is the proof? Of Mark's relationship to you guys in the CSE - I won't comment, it's your lineage. Of his relationship to GM Binas, the question remains: why was that said and what is the proof thereof? I know Mark personally, and I've seen him move, and he's good. Very good. Not just FMA, but also CMA. He's been good to me as a friend. And yes, he gave chances for exposure to a lot of FMA masters, and even to some Pinoy FMAers who hated him. Takes a lot to do that. I haven't been in touch for a while, I should make the effort to do so. This isn't meant to attack anything or question anyone,just to explain why my curiousity bump is now (gasp!) turning purple :-). Bot --- Jon Broster wrote: > Hi, > > I made the original post on this thread the night > before I went away, > so I have missed all the fun & games since then ;-) > > Rather than speculate on matters regarding: > 1. Mark Wiley's time spent training with Angel > Cabales > 2. His inheritance of the Binas system > I will ask him directly when he comes over and I'll > post his answers > here on ED. > > A couple of observations on Mark: > He is very good at what he does (I have seen a lot > of good eskrima > people from Europe, USA & PI and I rate him very > highly) so maybe he did > "grow into his rank"! > He has almost single handedly put FMA on the map > with publishers. > He has been to the PI and trained with people most > of us have only read > about. > > Jon > > > > >> ... I read here and > >> there about Mark, both negative and positive and > in > >> this case, since a statement has been written > about > >> his motives and actions, I am really curious as > to the > >> basis for the statement, especially the part > about the > >. pretense in order to obtain the inheritor title. > > >>>I'm not sure what more can be said that hasn't > already been said. > > One good thing that did come from Mark's brief > exposure to Angel > and Serrada is that it obviously sparked a keen > interest in the FMAs > that has stayed with Mark all the years since. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > <<< > > > > "There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife" > > http://www.pecahan.net > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Steve Klement Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:18:35 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Larry Hartsell Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Deepest condolences to all of Sifu Larry Hartsell's Students, Friends and Family from the ISE. The Martial Art with an "edge"... -- Tagaturo Klement www.inayan.com www.inayan.com/forums Inayan School of Eskrima > Sifu Larry Hartsell has passed away; Monday, August 20. > > http://www.martialinfo.com/comments/LarryHartsell > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: Sidney Stein To: Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 20:57:38 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Chicago Tribune Eskrima article Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Chicago Tribune is scheduled to run an eskrima article tomorrow (Thursday Aug. 23) in the At Play section. It will be tied in to the Bourne movie series. Sid _________________________________________________________________ Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Mark Wiley To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 13:58:02 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Having said that, when I read a post about someone I > know that touches on his reputation and about things > supposed to have done and motives imputed thereby, I > get curious and ask: why was that said and where is > the proof? I guess that is another question to ask Mark. Where was it, what magazine article is it, that I and others recall him making these statements? And what, if anything, has changed since then and now? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 From: mpc60 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: Sikiran Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 21:40:39 -0400 To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello to all of my fellow Escrima/Arnisadors and Silat practitioners. First I want to offer my condolences to the family or Larry Hartsell, he will be missed. I am looing for info on the FMA kicking arts. Are there any references anyone can recommend? KRS -----Original Message----- From: Ray Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:58 PM To: Eskrima Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Mark Wiley > Having said that, when I read a post about someone I > know that touches on his reputation and about things > supposed to have done and motives imputed thereby, I > get curious and ask: why was that said and where is > the proof? I guess that is another question to ask Mark. Where was it, what magazine article is it, that I and others recall him making these statements? And what, if anything, has changed since then and now? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Sikiran To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 18:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ... I am looing for info on the FMA kicking arts. Are there any references > anyone can recommend? KRS http://www.yawyan.com/ is one. It is apparently under construction right now, but... 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