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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2400 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Mark Wiley Seminars in England (Felipe Jocano) 2. Sifu Larry (Marc Denny) 3. Re: Sifu Larry (denverama@aol.com) 4. Re: Sifu Larry (Patrick Pace) 5. Re: Mark Wiley Seminars in England (Ray) 6. Re: Re: Larry Hartsell (Czar Peralta) 7. RE: Mark Wiley Seminars in England (mpc60) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 04:32:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Mark Wiley Seminars in England To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Ray, This is where my bump started itching ;-) > Unless you make a promise to someone to only teach > their art > (in this case Binas Arnis) as a pretense to obtain > the inheritor > title to said art. > > But in all fairness, perhaps GM Binas has released > Mark from the > commitment/promise he made to only teach Binas > Arnis. > Sooo... Which is in the magazine article - Mark's receiving the inheritor title to GM Binas's art? Or the statement that he made a promise to to teach the latter's art exclusively GM Binas as a pretense to obtain the inheritor title? If the former, I remember reading in his interview with GM Binas that GM Binas was going to make Mark the inheritor to his art (I think this was in Filipino Martial Culture). If the latter, that would make interesting reading, to say the least. Because unless proven with documentation, the latter statement if in print, can be construed as slanderous. At the least, aspersions have been cast on someone's motives and actions. ??? Man, my bump got flakes coming off :-) Bot ____________________________________________________________________________________ Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mail&p=graduation+gifts&cs=bz --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Marc Denny" To: Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:04:17 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Sifu Larry Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net All: I first met/experienced Sifu Larry around 1986 at the Inosanto Academy (the one at Glencoe Ave). He was giving a one day seminar and needed someone to volunteer as an assistant. I had just finished three years with Paul Vunak and figured I was up to it. What followed was an amazing day of trapping-grappling. The next day I went to a chiropractor, who had many stuntmen and athletes as clients. Upon adjusting me said she had never had anyone with that many vertabrae needing an adjustment :-) Sifu Larry was serious about staying in fighting shape. He even took a weight set with him to Spain one time. In recent years, upon my going upstairs to teach my Saturday class at the Inosanto Academy sometimes I would see him there teaching privates or working out for himself. I remember in particular one time I arrived about an hour early to get in a workout for myself and there he was, already working out on the heavy bag. The pace and power would have been impressive for a much younger man, but were quite remarkable for a man of his age. After about 45 minutes non-stop (!) he paused and I complimented him and told him that he inspired me. He seemed pleased, and went back to work. To live with the knowledge of our death is perhaps Life's greatest challenge for us, and to do so knowing that our time is going to be shorter due to health reasons is perhaps the hardest of all. When recently I saw him teach, it was obvious that his health was weakening, but there was no complaint. He had his Art and he walked as a Warrior for all his days. The Adventure does continue, Crafty Dog --__--__-- Message: 3 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sifu Larry Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:41:06 -0400 From: denverama@aol.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thank you for sharing this sir. Heather MonDee -----Original Message----- From: Marc Denny To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 8:04 am Subject: [Eskrima] Sifu Larry All:? ? I first met/experienced Sifu Larry around 1986 at the Inosanto Academy (the one at Glencoe Ave). He was giving a one day seminar and needed someone to volunteer as an assistant. I had just finished three years with Paul Vunak and figured I was up to it. What followed was an amazing day of trapping-grappling. The next day I went to a chiropractor, who had many stuntmen and athletes as clients. Upon adjusting me said she had never had anyone with that many vertabrae needing an adjustment :-)? ? Sifu Larry was serious about staying in fighting shape. He even took a weight set with him to Spain one time.? ? In recent years, upon my going upstairs to teach my Saturday class at the Inosanto Academy sometimes I would see him there teaching privates or working out for himself. I remember in particular one time I arrived about an hour early to get in a workout for myself and there he was, already working out on the heavy bag. The pace and power would have been impressive for a much younger man, but were quite remarkable for a man of his age. After about 45 minutes non-stop (!) he paused and I complimented him and told him that he inspired me. He seemed pleased, and went back to work.? ? To live with the knowledge of our death is perhaps Life's greatest challenge for us, and to do so knowing that our time is going to be shorter due to health reasons is perhaps the hardest of all. When recently I saw him teach, it was obvious that his health was weakening, but there was no complaint. He had his Art and he walked as a Warrior for all his days.? ? The Adventure does continue,? Crafty Dog _______________________________________________? Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net? Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource? Standard disclaimers apply? Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 09:16:27 -0700 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Sifu Larry From: Patrick Pace To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net My thoughts and prayers are with his family, such a great man and a great loss, Patrick On Friday, August 24, 2007, at 07:04 AM, Marc Denny wrote: > All: > > I first met/experienced Sifu Larry around 1986 at the Inosanto Academy > (the one at Glencoe Ave). He was giving a one day seminar and needed > someone to volunteer as an assistant. I had just finished three years > with Paul Vunak and figured I was up to it. What followed was an > amazing day of trapping-grappling. The next day I went to a > chiropractor, who had many stuntmen and athletes as clients. Upon > adjusting me said she had never had anyone with that many vertabrae > needing an adjustment :-) > > Sifu Larry was serious about staying in fighting shape. He even took > a weight set with him to Spain one time. > > In recent years, upon my going upstairs to teach my Saturday class at > the Inosanto Academy sometimes I would see him there teaching privates > or working out for himself. I remember in particular one time I > arrived about an hour early to get in a workout for myself and there > he was, already working out on the heavy bag. The pace and power > would have been impressive for a much younger man, but were quite > remarkable for a man of his age. After about 45 minutes non-stop (!) > he paused and I complimented him and told him that he inspired me. He > seemed pleased, and went back to work. > > To live with the knowledge of our death is perhaps Life's greatest > challenge for us, and to do so knowing that our time is going to be > shorter due to health reasons is perhaps the hardest of all. When > recently I saw him teach, it was obvious that his health was > weakening, but there was no complaint. He had his Art and he walked > as a Warrior for all his days. > > The Adventure does continue, > Crafty Dog _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Mark Wiley Seminars in England To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 13:05:05 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Which is in the magazine article - Mark's receiving > the inheritor title to GM Binas's art? Or the > statement that he made a promise to to teach the > latter's art exclusively GM Binas as a pretense to > obtain the inheritor title? If the former, I remember > reading in his interview with GM Binas that GM Binas > was going to make Mark the inheritor to his art (I > think this was in Filipino Martial Culture). If the > latter, that would make interesting reading, to say > the least. Because unless proven with documentation, > the latter statement if in print, can be construed as > slanderous. At the least, aspersions have been cast on > someone's motives and actions. All very excellent questions and comments. But it seems that we are at an impasse. I understand your questions and concerns -and- it honestly seems that they have already been addressed, imho. Obviously not... I'm not sure what more can be said, so it is time to move on. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 14:07:45 -0700 From: "Czar Peralta" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Larry Hartsell Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net REPOSTED FROM A MESSAGE FROM GURO ANDY WILSON. OBITUARY AND NICE POEM... Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:32:46 EDT It is with great sadness that we announce the passing of our beloved friend Larry Benjamin Hartsell. August 15, 1942 - AUGUST 20, 2007 For over 40 years Larry filled our life with love and laughter. His loyalty and dedication to his family, teacher, students and friends was unparalleled. A true warrior, Larry served his country as a soldier in Vietnam and served the martial art community for over 4 decades. The martial art community has lost a true master. We have lost a dear friend, but gained so much more by having had Larry in our lives. Of all that he loved in this life, the martial arts, his students, friends and boxer dogs, he loved his Debra most of all. He will be missed. Survived by his loving, devoted wife Debra Hartsell, Marina del Rey, CA Brother, Dale Hartsell and sister Cheryl Hartsell Charlotte, NCAnd Simon Dempsey & Chelsea Hartsell (faithful boxer dogs) Condolences & donations may be sent to the family in care of the InosantoAcademy, 13428 Maxella Avenue, Marina Del Rey, CA 90292 In accordance with the family's wishes, funeral services will be private. Memorial Service pending, further information will be posted at www.inosanto.com You can shed tears that he is gone, or you can smile because he has lived. You can close your eyes and pray that he'll come back, or you can open your eyes and see all he's left. Your heart can be empty because you can't see him, or you can be full of the love you shared. You can turn your back on tomorrow and live yesterday, or you can be happy for tomorrow because of yesterday. You can remember him only that he is gone, or you can cherish his memory and let it live on. You can cry and close your mind, be empty and turn your back. Or you can do what he'd want: smile, open your eyes, love and go on. A poem by David Harkins Andy Wilson MKG Martial Arts International 8310 Greenwood Ave N Seattle, WA 98103 206-789-2411 andy.wilson@mkgseattle.com www.mkgseattle.com "The Most Fun You'll Have Doing Real Martial Arts." On 8/23/07, william mcgrath wrote: > > From myself, my instructors and all the members of Pekiti-Tirsia > International, our sincerest condolences to the family, friends and students > of Larry Hartsell. > > I have met many people at my seminars who have trained under Sifu Hartsell > and they always spoke very highly of him. I know he will be missed. > > Tuhon Bill McGrath > Pekiti-Tirsia International > > > --------------------------------- > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 7 From: mpc60 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Mark Wiley Seminars in England Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 20:46:09 -0400 To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello FMA brothers and sisters, I've been reading the postings going back and forth about successorship etc And came to the conclusion that it doesn't matter if he received successorship or not. If he is certified to teach the art, teaches with a good heart and makes his students better people then he is doing his job as a teacher of FMA. All these postings do is drive the wedge of division further down the divide. Imagine you and I were from two different villages fighting a common enemy; would you worry about my successorship or my skills while on the battlefield? Let's use this forum for a positive purpose not for petty arguments. Please forgive me if I've offended anyone. KRS -----Original Message----- From: Ray Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:05 PM To: Eskrima Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Mark Wiley Seminars in England > Which is in the magazine article - Mark's receiving > the inheritor title to GM Binas's art? Or the > statement that he made a promise to to teach the > latter's art exclusively GM Binas as a pretense to > obtain the inheritor title? If the former, I remember > reading in his interview with GM Binas that GM Binas > was going to make Mark the inheritor to his art (I > think this was in Filipino Martial Culture). If the > latter, that would make interesting reading, to say > the least. Because unless proven with documentation, > the latter statement if in print, can be construed as > slanderous. At the least, aspersions have been cast on > someone's motives and actions. All very excellent questions and comments. But it seems that we are at an impasse. I understand your questions and concerns -and- it honestly seems that they have already been addressed, imho. Obviously not... I'm not sure what more can be said, so it is time to move on. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest