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To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Master Jorge: Thanks for the kind words. It is indeed gratifying to be able to help a student progress in his quest in the martial arts, Filipino martial arts or any other martial arts for that matter. Jeremiah is a hardworking, tough, skillful student, a loyal friend and a good person. He will be a credit to FMA, and to his other arts, thanks to Hans and all his other teachers. Jeremiah has travelled all over the world training in various martial arts. http://www.filipinofightingartsintl.com/Publications/martial_arts/guro_stanley.html Good to see you post. Here's hoping we can also have a shindig similar to Hans soon, and hoist a few. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com Jorge Penafiel wrote: Kapatid Jay,,greetings!! Always a pleasure and much joy seeing one of your stand-out student - Jeremiah Stanley do well and go up the ranks in front of your very eyes and with such distinguish San Jose MA crowd and visitors. Congratualtions to "All" as well.. Similarly, nice to visit your old stomping ground. Gives you that unusual rush of blood flow seeing old friends and recalling fond memories. The shindig at your friend's house- Hans got to be a blast. My best to their wedding anniversary. Sadly, for Frank Ferris and family,,our prayers and condolence for their son's passing. Indeed, untimely but such is life sometimes - Undaunting.. Tol Jorge Penafiel _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 21:30:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Timmons Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Manong Lacoste and Kali To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Be respectful,squash the egos. See what happens when someone disagrees with an opinion. It leads to wasted energy...Focus on what Martial Arts is bringing to you? Compassion;fellowship;inner peace... I enjoy being able to read some of your mail thank you all for sharing. Respectfully submitted Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Kohn To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:09:29 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Manong Lacoste and Kali Hi Jay, How was what I said an argument? There are waaaaay better examples of my arguments in the archives. Search for me and Victor De Thouras or my buddy Al Sardinas for some good rants...that ultimately accomplished nothing. I was just throwin' some stuff out there to think about. Best to all (including Vic & Al), S jay de leon wrote: Y'all are cool, even though y'all keep arguing FOR something that nobody is arguing AGAINST. In fact, both GP Abon Baet and I singled out the Inosanto people and gave them props for defending what they learned from their guro. Also, while it is true that it is extremely difficult if not impossible to describe the essence of arnis in words, like music, what is wrong with having an intelligent discussion about the cultural, philosophical and historical background and origin of arnis as the art, or the etymology of arnis terms themselves? On the other hand, I don't remember anybody posting that talking about it is far more beneficial and enlightening than swinging the sticks themselves. To my kapatid Abon, James Sy and Rocky, I swear, I AM NOT trying to start the thread again. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com Steve Kohn wrote: Hi all, I'm nearly a month late in responding to this but I have to quote the musician Elvis Costello. He was talking about music in his quote...but I think it applies to all of the arts. He said: "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture". I take this to mean that anything other than actually doing your art is really just B.S. Take it with a grain of salt of course as discussing philosophy is indeed imortant, but at the end of the day...JUST DO IT (I hope Nike doesn't sue me for this). Frank Zappa was even more to the point: "Shut up and play your guitar (or swing your stick - my addendum). I tend to use english terminology more often than not when I teach these days. The Inosanto/Lacoste base that I came up through draws from so many sources and dialects that trying to be faithful to all of them is really just confusing to new students. Additionally, I hate to butcher the languages of other cultures. I'd rather just give credit to the entire country by referring to what we do as "FMAs" I think the below points by Kim and Michael are dead on BTW If i missed the point...nevermind. Be well everyone. Steve Kohn Torrance, CA Michael Gallagher wrote: At 10:36 AM 7/25/2007, you wrote: >.... I have to admit, though, that in all this discussion about the >origins and >legitimacy of the usage of the word "Kali", I am a bit confused on why >this is >an issue (no disrespect intended toward any contributors to this >discussion) .... The word "Kali" >didn't just come out of thin air; I do believe Dan when he says that he >learned >of the term from his teachers and predecessors. I learned a lot of the >history of the Filipino arts, particularly the development of the >arts here in >America, from Dan, and my take on all this is that "Kali" is a term that >came >down from Floro Villabrille and Ben Largusa, and was the term given to the >conglomeration that Villibrille developed from his travels and studies, and >passed down to Largusa. I don't have a problem at all with the >term.....In my opinion, Dan, as well as >Villabrille and Largusa, can call their art anything they want. To me, >these >guys are at the top of the mountain, and concerning matters on their art, I >will defer to them. What the art is called isn't as important to me as the >content of the art. But then again, I'm a pragmatic sort of person, and >substance >over symbolism has always been my priority. > >Kim Satterfield >Midwest School of Eskrima > AMEN! And as to the question of whether the word Kali was used 400 years ago, ok, maybe it wasn't. It wouldn't be the first time a martial art changed names; karate-do springs to mind. The art still existed even if we can not agree on what it may have been called at the time. Beyond that, I prefer to go along with a very wise man who once said, "I'd rather practice." Respects, Michael Gallagher Cortland, New York USA _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC --__--__-- Message: 3 From: RHebb21269@aol.com Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 20:19:35 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Krabi Krabong training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Eric, If you check out the following link: _http://www.muaythaionline.org/disciplines/sash.html_ (http://www.muaythaionline.org/disciplines/sash.html) you will notice some names, for instance Ajarn Tony Moore (from England) and Ajarn Pedro Solana Villalobos (from Spain, but now living in Thailand). Ajarn Moore might be able to recommend some training spots. Check him out at _http://www.sitsiam-camp.com/_ (http://www.sitsiam-camp.com/) Ajarn Villalobos is in Chiang Mai. Visit his website at _http://www.ancientmuaythai.com/_ (http://www.ancientmuaythai.com/) Hopefully this will help you! Ron ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Toma Rosenzweig" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:34:07 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] Help! on Seminar Please ? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello to all and greetings Prof. Dan Anderson 6th Dan [Modern Arnis, M-80 system] is coming to Los Angeles on October 7th SUNDAY He will be teaching at 'Toma's Modern Arnis' at 4404 West Victory Blvd. Burbank CA 91505 from 1 PM till 3:30 PM two and half hours of awesome Arnis training for only $50.00 If you bring two paying students from the same system you get in FREE !! Let me know ?? Please come !! Spread the word on this !! Prof Dan Anderson will go over his NEW " Fast Track" Arnis system. we hope you can attend this GREAT seminar Phone for Dojo is (818) 843-4984 leave message ?? From: Toma the Old One Main e-Mail: tomawallaikido@earthlink.net Great Aikido, and now Modern Arnis --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 09:34:26 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Manong Lacoste and Kali To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Was this post directed at anybody in particular? I thought the exchange between the parties was one of the most benign in the history of ED, even playful. Also, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with an opinion. You may disagree without being disagreeable, and people agree to disagree all the time. Right, Bot? I agree with the compassion, fellowship, inner peace part. And anybody is welcome to disagree. Jay de Leon www. tipunan.com Glenn Timmons wrote: Be respectful,squash the egos. See what happens when someone disagrees with an opinion. It leads to wasted energy...Focus on what Martial Arts is bringing to you? Compassion;fellowship;inner peace... I enjoy being able to read some of your mail thank you all for sharing. Respectfully submitted Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Kohn To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:09:29 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Manong Lacoste and Kali Hi Jay, How was what I said an argument? There are waaaaay better examples of my arguments in the archives. Search for me and Victor De Thouras or my buddy Al Sardinas for some good rants...that ultimately accomplished nothing. I was just throwin' some stuff out there to think about. Best to all (including Vic & Al), S jay de leon wrote: Y'all are cool, even though y'all keep arguing FOR something that nobody is arguing AGAINST. In fact, both GP Abon Baet and I singled out the Inosanto people and gave them props for defending what they learned from their guro. Also, while it is true that it is extremely difficult if not impossible to describe the essence of arnis in words, like music, what is wrong with having an intelligent discussion about the cultural, philosophical and historical background and origin of arnis as the art, or the etymology of arnis terms themselves? On the other hand, I don't remember anybody posting that talking about it is far more beneficial and enlightening than swinging the sticks themselves. To my kapatid Abon, James Sy and Rocky, I swear, I AM NOT trying to start the thread again. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com Steve Kohn wrote: Hi all, I'm nearly a month late in responding to this but I have to quote the musician Elvis Costello. He was talking about music in his quote...but I think it applies to all of the arts. He said: "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture". I take this to mean that anything other than actually doing your art is really just B.S. Take it with a grain of salt of course as discussing philosophy is indeed imortant, but at the end of the day...JUST DO IT (I hope Nike doesn't sue me for this). Frank Zappa was even more to the point: "Shut up and play your guitar (or swing your stick - my addendum). I tend to use english terminology more often than not when I teach these days. The Inosanto/Lacoste base that I came up through draws from so many sources and dialects that trying to be faithful to all of them is really just confusing to new students. Additionally, I hate to butcher the languages of other cultures. I'd rather just give credit to the entire country by referring to what we do as "FMAs" I think the below points by Kim and Michael are dead on BTW If i missed the point...nevermind. Be well everyone. Steve Kohn Torrance, CA Michael Gallagher wrote: At 10:36 AM 7/25/2007, you wrote: >.... I have to admit, though, that in all this discussion about the >origins and >legitimacy of the usage of the word "Kali", I am a bit confused on why >this is >an issue (no disrespect intended toward any contributors to this >discussion) .... The word "Kali" >didn't just come out of thin air; I do believe Dan when he says that he >learned >of the term from his teachers and predecessors. I learned a lot of the >history of the Filipino arts, particularly the development of the >arts here in >America, from Dan, and my take on all this is that "Kali" is a term that >came >down from Floro Villabrille and Ben Largusa, and was the term given to the >conglomeration that Villibrille developed from his travels and studies, and >passed down to Largusa. I don't have a problem at all with the >term.....In my opinion, Dan, as well as >Villabrille and Largusa, can call their art anything they want. To me, >these >guys are at the top of the mountain, and concerning matters on their art, I >will defer to them. What the art is called isn't as important to me as the >content of the art. But then again, I'm a pragmatic sort of person, and >substance >over symbolism has always been my priority. > >Kim Satterfield >Midwest School of Eskrima > AMEN! And as to the question of whether the word Kali was used 400 years ago, ok, maybe it wasn't. It wouldn't be the first time a martial art changed names; karate-do springs to mind. The art still existed even if we can not agree on what it may have been called at the time. Beyond that, I prefer to go along with a very wise man who once said, "I'd rather practice." Respects, Michael Gallagher Cortland, New York USA _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 10:07:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Kim Satterfield To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: clarification Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Mr. Jocano, No, no, no, I took no offense to your post at all. If anything, you were most gracious. You defended your friend, and stated your case at the same time in a most eloquent manner, and I have to respect that. I completely understand your reluctance to touch on matters concerning the Serrada community (trust me, that is some thin ice to tread upon, and I hesitate to go there a lot of the time myself). I'll elaborate further in private e-mail, but again, sir, no offense was taken at all, I admire that way you responded. Mark Wiley has a good friend in you. Kim Satterfield Message: 3 Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 07:07:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Mark Wiley To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, Kim; I appreciate your clarification about the statements you made concerning Mark. If you were offended by my last post, I apologize for that since upon rereading my post, it can be construed the way you phrased it below (both our posts are included). However, I should also clarify that my questions to Ray concerned his statements about Mark and GM Binas. Ray has already made his statements about my questions so I've agreed to drop it and move on. I limited my questions to that topic and not touch on Mark's relationship to you guys in the CSE community, out of respect to all of you, even if I haven't met any of you except online. Well, two guys actually - my friends who visit here from time to time. It's your community and your lineage, and as someone from another lineage, it would be improper for me to comment on the goings-on in your community. When I made the statement beginning "Guys..." it wasn't just for you and Ray and the others who commented about Mark. It was meant for everyone here in the Digest community, and it was an expression of how I felt about the issue. I suppose I may be called to task for commenting again on something I was supposed to drop ;-) so, I'm ending it here. Bot In the words of the late, great John Belushi, "Wise Up" --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: "Marc MacYoung" To: Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:38:28 -0600 Organization: No Nonsense Self-Defense Subject: [Eskrima] Podcast on living the warrior lifestyle Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Well it all started when police psychatrist Kevin Keough contacted me about doing a Podcast. Then it escalated into a discussion about living the warrior life in a society that really doesn't respect it or understand the need for that aspect. Then it sort of meandered over to challenges that one faces and issues one must come to terms with when you perform a job that might get you killed while saving others. Here are all kinds of links to listen to the podcast. Psychjourney Podcasts ( http://www.psychjourneypodcasts.com/ ) North Star Guardians Podcasts ( http://northstarguardians.libsyn.com/ ) Warrior Traditions Podcasts ( http://warriortraditions.libsyn.com/ ) Psychjourney Audio Book Club Blog ( http://psychjourney_blogs.typepad.com/psychjourney_book_club/ ) North Star Guardians Blog ( http://psychjourney_blogs.typepad.com/psychjourney_book_club/ ) Warrior Traditions Blog ( http://psychjourney_blogs.typepad.com/warrior_traditions/ ) Marc Animal MacYoung --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:15:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Glenn Timmons Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Manong Lacoste and Kali To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Point is well taken Mr. Jay de leon:disagree w/o being disagreeable.. I agree ----- Original Message ---- From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 9:34:26 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Manong Lacoste and Kali Was this post directed at anybody in particular? I thought the exchange between the parties was one of the most benign in the history of ED, even playful. Also, there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with an opinion. You may disagree without being disagreeable, and people agree to disagree all the time. Right, Bot? I agree with the compassion, fellowship, inner peace part. And anybody is welcome to disagree. Jay de Leon www. tipunan.com Glenn Timmons wrote: Be respectful,squash the egos. See what happens when someone disagrees with an opinion. It leads to wasted energy...Focus on what Martial Arts is bringing to you? Compassion;fellowship;inner peace... I enjoy being able to read some of your mail thank you all for sharing. Respectfully submitted Glenn ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Kohn To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 5:09:29 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Manong Lacoste and Kali Hi Jay, How was what I said an argument? There are waaaaay better examples of my arguments in the archives. Search for me and Victor De Thouras or my buddy Al Sardinas for some good rants...that ultimately accomplished nothing. I was just throwin' some stuff out there to think about. Best to all (including Vic & Al), S jay de leon wrote: Y'all are cool, even though y'all keep arguing FOR something that nobody is arguing AGAINST. In fact, both GP Abon Baet and I singled out the Inosanto people and gave them props for defending what they learned from their guro. Also, while it is true that it is extremely difficult if not impossible to describe the essence of arnis in words, like music, what is wrong with having an intelligent discussion about the cultural, philosophical and historical background and origin of arnis as the art, or the etymology of arnis terms themselves? On the other hand, I don't remember anybody posting that talking about it is far more beneficial and enlightening than swinging the sticks themselves. To my kapatid Abon, James Sy and Rocky, I swear, I AM NOT trying to start the thread again. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com Steve Kohn wrote: Hi all, I'm nearly a month late in responding to this but I have to quote the musician Elvis Costello. He was talking about music in his quote...but I think it applies to all of the arts. He said: "Talking about music is like dancing about architecture". I take this to mean that anything other than actually doing your art is really just B.S. Take it with a grain of salt of course as discussing philosophy is indeed imortant, but at the end of the day...JUST DO IT (I hope Nike doesn't sue me for this). Frank Zappa was even more to the point: "Shut up and play your guitar (or swing your stick - my addendum). I tend to use english terminology more often than not when I teach these days. The Inosanto/Lacoste base that I came up through draws from so many sources and dialects that trying to be faithful to all of them is really just confusing to new students. Additionally, I hate to butcher the languages of other cultures. I'd rather just give credit to the entire country by referring to what we do as "FMAs" I think the below points by Kim and Michael are dead on BTW If i missed the point...nevermind. Be well everyone. Steve Kohn Torrance, CA Michael Gallagher wrote: At 10:36 AM 7/25/2007, you wrote: >.... I have to admit, though, that in all this discussion about the >origins and >legitimacy of the usage of the word "Kali", I am a bit confused on why >this is >an issue (no disrespect intended toward any contributors to this >discussion) .... The word "Kali" >didn't just come out of thin air; I do believe Dan when he says that he >learned >of the term from his teachers and predecessors. I learned a lot of the >history of the Filipino arts, particularly the development of the >arts here in >America, from Dan, and my take on all this is that "Kali" is a term that >came >down from Floro Villabrille and Ben Largusa, and was the term given to the >conglomeration that Villibrille developed from his travels and studies, and >passed down to Largusa. I don't have a problem at all with the >term.....In my opinion, Dan, as well as >Villabrille and Largusa, can call their art anything they want. To me, >these >guys are at the top of the mountain, and concerning matters on their art, I >will defer to them. What the art is called isn't as important to me as the >content of the art. But then again, I'm a pragmatic sort of person, and >substance >over symbolism has always been my priority. > >Kim Satterfield >Midwest School of Eskrima > AMEN! And as to the question of whether the word Kali was used 400 years ago, ok, maybe it wasn't. It wouldn't be the first time a martial art changed names; karate-do springs to mind. The art still existed even if we can not agree on what it may have been called at the time. Beyond that, I prefer to go along with a very wise man who once said, "I'd rather practice." Respects, Michael Gallagher Cortland, New York USA _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. 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Autos new Car Finder tool. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC --__--__-- Message: 9 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:09:10 -0700 (PDT) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [Eskrima] Jay Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >Point is well taken Mr. Jay de leon:disagree w/o being disagreeable.. I agree What does Jay know!?! His knowledge is limited and his arnis is weak! :) Ray "The Agitator" Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:36:39 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Jay To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net a perfect example on how to disagree and be disagreeable, but then Ray is just being himself. Ray wrote: >Point is well taken Mr. Jay de leon:disagree w/o being disagreeable.. I agree What does Jay know!?! His knowledge is limited and his arnis is weak! :) Ray "The Agitator" Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest