Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 03:02:11 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #261 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2400 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. a-political question (fwd) (Andrew Maddox) 2. Tim Tackett seminar next Monday (Jon Broster) 3. Seminar New York (Bandile Dlabantu) 4. Re: Jay (Felipe Jocano) 5. Animal Podcasting? (buz_ma_id@mac.com) 6. Re: FMA Names, Pre-Hispanic Filipino Writing (RJ Garcia) 7. Re: Blade identification (RJ Garcia) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:11:40 +0000 (UTC) From: Andrew Maddox To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] a-political question (fwd) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hmm. Is I moderated? Or did this just get dropped? Let's try again and see... afm again -- Andrew Maddox, madsox2k at freeshell dot org Practitioner of Unaffiliated Martial Arts But really just, like, this guy, y'know? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:53:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Andrew Maddox To: Eskrima Digest Subject: a-political question To bring back a topic I raise from time to time, is anyone else who isn't affiliated with one of the (not so many) people teaching in Maryland, US, Montgomery County, interested in getting an informal group together? Yes, I know most of the folks in the area, and some I've trained with before, but I'd really like to just get some friends together to play (umm, better not call it kali/eskrima/arnis, we just did the linguistics thing) "Whatchacallit" with. A few people, maybe a half-dozen, who could take turns leading workouts, just sharing what they know. I'm doing a lot of Bagua Zhang these past few years, which is good in its own way, but my FMA are getting rusty. I'd like to polish that up, and get some good hard sparring again, all of that. Empty hands, stick, staff, knife, wrasslin', the whole nine yards If you're in the area, drop me a line! Now, back to the important question: Who would win in a fight between a Ninja and a Vogon? ;-) afm -- Andrew Maddox, madsox2k at freeshell dot org Practitioner of Unaffiliated Martial Arts But really just, like, this guy, y'know? --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Jon Broster To: Eskrima Digest Subject: [Eskrima] Tim Tackett seminar next Monday Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Seminar with Tim Tackett, covering Jun Fan / Jeet Kune Do At Urban Martial Arts, Leicester Monday 3 September 2007 6pm – 9pm Cost £20 For further information 0116 2538668 Jon "There's nothing more dangerous than a blunt knife" http://www.pecahan.net --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:47:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Bandile Dlabantu To: FMA Subject: [Eskrima] Seminar New York Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi Guys Much has been said about South African Knife fighting. Now you may get a chance to see and test it out for yourself. There will be a Piper Systems Seminar in New York City in September. Please e-mail me for details Bandile D. Admire only the diamond that can bear the hits of a hammer - Kabir Yahoo! Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Jay To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The world is a circle without a beginning, and nobody knows where the circle ends, la la la la la la la la.....:-) Sorry, couldn't resist! Bot --- jay de leon wrote: > a perfect example on how to disagree and be > disagreeable, > but then Ray is just being himself. > > > Ray wrote: > >Point is well taken Mr. Jay de leon:disagree w/o > being disagreeable.. I agree > > > What does Jay know!?! > His knowledge is limited and his arnis is weak! > > :) > > Ray "The Agitator" Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow --__--__-- Message: 5 From: buz_ma_id@mac.com Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:29:11 -0400 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Animal Podcasting? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Well it all started when police psychatrist Kevin Keough contacted > me about doing a Podcast. . . . Animal Podcasting? Welcome to the dark side of distributed education. Just be glad you don't have to get a server configured to work with an LDAP to authenticate on to a university network. Oy vey. As that may be, welcome to the club. Next comes streamed video. . . . Regards, Buz Grover --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:49:47 -0700 (PDT) From: RJ Garcia Subject: Re: [Eskrima] FMA Names, Pre-Hispanic Filipino Writing To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net For baybayin, I recommend this site http://www.mts.net/~pmorrow/bayeng1.htm as a good read. FROM Literacy of the Pre-Hispanic Filipinos: "The baybayin continued to thrive in many parts of the Philippines in the first century of Spanish occupation. Even before the end of the 1500's the Spaniards were already printing books in the Tagalog script (see Literature), which indicates at least an adequate level of literacy. Some accounts went so far as to say that the literacy rate was almost 100%. A Jesuit priest, Father Pedro Chirino wrote in 1604 that: So accustomed are all these islanders to writing and reading that there is scarcely a man, and much less a woman, who cannot read and write in the letters proper to the island of Manila. B3 And Dr. Antonio de Morga, a Spanish magistrate in the Philippines echoed Chirino's enthusiasm in 1609: Throughout the islands the natives write very well using [their letters]... All the natives, women as well as men, write in this language, and there are very few who do not write well and correctly. B4 These oft quoted observations were exaggerations, of course; the historian William H. Scott managed to turn up several examples from the 1590s of datus who could not sign affidavits or oaths, and witnesses who could not sign land deeds in the 1620s. B5 Nevertheless, it appears that wherever the baybayin was available, literacy was common not only among the elite but at all levels of society." FROM Literature of the Ancient Filipinos : " All early Spanish reports agreed that pre-Hispanic Filipino literature was mainly oral rather than written. Legazpi's account of 1567, quoted earlier, went on to say: They have their letters and characters... but never is any ancient writing found among them nor word of their origin and arrival in these islands; their customs and rites being preserved by traditions handed down from father to son without any other record. B8 The Boxer Codex manuscript from 1590, also mentioned earlier, reported that: They have neither books nor histories nor do they write anything of length but only letters and reminders to one another... [And lovers] carry written charms with them. B9 Aside from writing letters and poetry to each other, the ancient Filipinos adorned the entrances of their homes with incantations written on bamboo so as to keep out evil spirits." So as it seems, PG Mat and Mr. James, both your statements are substantiated. Gumagalang, RJ Garcia ----- Original Message ---- From: james jr. sy To: Eskrima Digest Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 12:50:49 PM Subject: [Eskrima] FMA Names, Pre-Hispanic Filipino Writing FMA Names, Pre-Hispanic Filipino Writing PG Mat wrote: “They kept everything in their heads and did not bother to write.” When they got "untog" they forgot what was in their heads and they got all mixed up. "Untog - bangs head accidentally on a hard object or worse got hit with a yantok on the head.) I beg to disagree with that statement PG Mat. Fr. Pedro Chirino noted in 1604 that almost all of the Filipinos knew how to read and write. They used a 17-letter alphabet called Baybayin or Alibata, which originated from the Asokan alphabet of India. The used the sipol with wood and leaves for writing. They did write, only problem was they used biodegradeable materials. The Tagbanuas of Palawan and Mangyans of Mindoro to this day still use this ancient Filipino alphabet. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:09:01 -0700 (PDT) From: RJ Garcia Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Blade identification To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net If no one has answered this yet, by the shape of the blade I am inclined to think that yours is a dinahong palay (loosely, "made to look like a rice leaf"). This is a blade design common in Luzon. Gumagalang, RJ Garcia ----- Original Message ---- From: Jonathan Kessler To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 2:46:53 AM Subject: [Eskrima] Blade identification Folks - this showed up at an archery club raffle, described as a "moro blade". I was the lucky winner :-) I need some help identifying it, and figured that given the depth of expertise on this list, someone would know what it's called and where it's from. http://inayanmartialarts.com/gallery/moro_01.jpg Overall length is 23", blade is 17.5" Handle appears to be kamagong, carving is rough but the feel in the hand is very good. Thanks for any insights you can provide. 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