Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2007 03:00:12 -0700 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #265 - 6 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Subscribed-Address: fma@martialartsresource.com List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Remy Presas and Wing Chun (Mark Crumpton) 2. Remy Presas and Wing Chun (gatpuno@aol.com) 3. Modern Arnis/CSSD and Wing Chun....Part 2 (Mark Crumpton) 4. Re: Training tools for kids... (B Katz) 5. Re: (no subject) (Andrew Maddox) 6. (no subject) (Toma Rosenzweig) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:34:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crumpton Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Remy Presas and Wing Chun To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net, brianedwardjohns@gmail.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Brian! My name is Mark Crumpton and I am replying to your post. I id not actually see the article in Eskrima Digest, but the staroy did run in the Molokai Dispatch here in Hawaii. I actually studied WIng Tzun/Wing Chn Emin Bozetepe and OUR translation of Modern Arnis (from Bran Franlk) has WIng Chun in it ( Paak Sao, Bong Sao, Gann Sao, etc.) this was a misquote but could not change before it went to print. I hope this clarifies any misconception. Respectfully, Mark Crumpton Brian Johns wrote: >The martial art was created by Filipino Grandmaster Remy Presas. "It's >a combination of balintawak, arnis, karate, judo and wing tzun," >Crumpton said. Presas learned all those martial arts from different >masters in the Philippines and started teaching them on a linear >format, according to Crumpton. > > >Well if I am sure about one thing than, that GM Remy Presas >never >learned any wing tzun, wing chun or how ever you would like >to spell it, in the Philippines. >Check the "50 years of Modern Arnis" magazine, which is >about GM Remy >Presas' life. This is one area of Professor Presas's martial arts career that I had always been curious about. I had always wondered if he had any wing chun training and if he did, how much. The reason that I mention that is that his wife, Yvette Wong, is a wing chun player who has produced some wing chun and tai chi videos in Canada. When Guro Dan McConnell and I visited Professor in Victoria, BC in February of 2001, Yvette mentioned to us (if I recall correctly) and, in passing, that she had done some wing chun with Professor. Of course, whether that meant that they trained in wing chun on a regular basis or if they did it only a couple of times is something that I wished I had the foresight to ask. As it turns out, we were just focused on seeing Professor and being concerned for his health. So I think that it's possible that he may have learned some wing chun. However, I do concede that it's speculation and would love to hear any solid information on this. Take care, Brian Johns Toronto, Canada _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Molokai Martial Arts Molokai, Hawaii www.geocities.com/cssdla "Arnis Blade Concepts-feel our FLOW" --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. --__--__-- Message: 2 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2007 08:21:05 -0400 From: gatpuno@aol.com Subject: [Eskrima] Remy Presas and Wing Chun Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello everyone, Kapatid Jay de Leon, I am very happy to what happening in all Modern Arnis practitioners around the world. The ultimate dreams of Remy Presas is materializing just quite fine. Datu Diether, Kapatid Dan Anderson Congaratulation to the big "50 years Modern Arnis Magazines" difinitely nice to have, written by numerous succesful Instructor of Modern Arnis.?I can wait to?get my copy. As the Wing Chun influence, when Professor Remy spend several weeks here with me in Miami Beach, I got all the chances to asked him many things, family, personal, martial arts, and his dreams.?I learned a lot from him just talking to him, "Ama"(Father) as I called him and he called me "Dodong" (Visayan word for Boy i guess), I asked him?what he think about other martial arts? He answer me very short, there all the same. He mentioned that in Jujitsu there a various throws and locks, like we used in Arnis, in Karate there?various?kicks and punches that we used in Arnis, in Wing Chun there various trapping that we used in Arnis, in Kung Fu there various weapon they twirls like how we twirls our Arnis. He explained it clear, that if you become the master of Arnis?you can adopt to?any Martial Arts,?and that the different of Arnis. If you practiced Karate and you decide tolearn Arnis, you have?break lose from Karate mentality and?practice flowing motion motion in Arnis. If you practice?Jujitsu he said one practitioner have to learn to keep himself distance to used the stick for maximum advantage, and if you decide to clinch one practitner have to quickly switch to what he called is "Flow", either he trapp, locks, break and control.? He obviously mentioned several times, that Arnis Player can outplay?various Martial Arts Practitioner on their own Game. During Remy Presas early years in Manila, he was cahllenge by many Kung Fu, karate practitioner?to test his skill in Arnis against their particular Martial arts. Guess what, he said if you can stop them?by words, you defeated them already. One way of Martial art of Arnis is good about, is diplomacy he said, talk?talk your agressor?not to fight you. Then those people that still pursue to fight you they will learn the lesson,?right away as you?hitting, them, locking them and continues to the techniques of "Flow". Arnis is the Ultimate Arts, we know how to dealth with the situation bad or good.? On my own experienced with the "Professor" he is a sweet talker. He will tell you what you want to hear from him, he will praised you that you are doing good. You are?very good as Remy Presas?said, with the Visayan accent.?He?will make?you believed to your self, as one of the biggest?"fall" out in other Martial Arts.?With Professor, you are the star right away, as you swing your stick, he would never tell you your doing?it wrong, instead he will show you again and tell you "See?do like this" with his Visayan accent, and at the end he will tell you "Very good". That make you feel good inside out, he make you feel confident that you are doing the right techniques. That is one of the quality of Professor Remy Presas. He is very good making you feel?"Special" and he?means good. Again, if he does learn Wing Chun, I agree with you Kapatid?Jay he learn it on later year, or not learn Wing Chun at all, becaused he is "Sponge", he see it, he?can adopt it.. Again Congratulation to all Modern Arnis?Groups around the world?for showing "solidarity" in one goal, continues the legacy.. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International?? ? Message: 1 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 14:54:00 -0400 From: "Brian Johns" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Remy Presas and Wing Chun Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >The martial art was created by Filipino Grandmaster Remy Presas. "It's >a combination of balintawak, arnis, karate, judo and wing tzun," >Crumpton said. Presas learned all those martial arts from different >masters in the Philippines and started teaching them on a linear >format, according to Crumpton. > > >Well if I am sure about one thing than, that GM Remy Presas >never >learned any wing tzun, wing chun or how ever you would like >to spell it, in the Philippines. >Check the "50 years of Modern Arnis" magazine, which is >about GM Remy >Presas' life. This is one area of Professor Presas's martial arts career that I had always been curious about. I had always wondered if he had any wing chun training and if he did, how much. The reason that I mention that is that his wife, Yvette Wong, is a wing chun player who has produced some wing chun and tai chi videos in Canada. When Guro Dan McConnell and I visited Professor in Victoria, BC in February of 2001, Yvette mentioned to us (if I recall correctly) and, in passing, that she had done some wing chun with Professor. Of course, whether that meant that they trained in wing chun on a regular basis or if they did it only a couple of times is something that I wished I had the foresight to ask. As it turns out, we were just focused on seeing Professor and being concerned for his health. So I think that it's possible that he may have learned some wing chun. However, I do concede that it's speculation and would love to hear any solid information on this. Take care, Brian Johns Toronto, Canada ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 22:55:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Crumpton To: brianedwardjohns@gmail.com, eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Modern Arnis/CSSD and Wing Chun....Part 2 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From Grandmaster Bram Frank, dated Feb 12, 2007 in our public discussion forum.... 21) What do you check with your check hand? Left hand is commonly used to monitor attacker's arms. It also serves as a barrier to protect ones vital organs in case a cut has not stopped the attack. One actually checks the HAND not the weapon. 22) What is Palm Up? Tan- Sao 23) What is Palm down? Gum Sao thrusting with fingers:Bil Sao catching with palm: checking with palm : Fuk Sao 24) What is Elbow up? Bong Sao 25) What is a Slap block? Pak Sao 26) What is a grab block? Lop Sao Also.... the Gunting family of knives are tools designed to cover the complete force continuum. Based on the live blade (black color to math firearm colour coding), that can be used as an edged tool. It also is designed to be use closed, by using pressure points, FMA limb destruction, Wing Chung trapping and basic natural movements. Respectfully, Mark Crumpton --------------------------------- Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 05:44:08 -0700 (PDT) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Training tools for kids... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net SSGT Armstrong, I am the father of a 12 year old who began his training this summer. Strangely enough, I also make custom training implements. At the risk of sounding like I'm blowing my own horn... they are quite nice. I encourage you, and anyone else looking for good training tools, to take a look at my website www.eskrimacustoms.com I love creating custom pieces for kids! Mabuhay ang Eskrima! Brandon www.eskrimacustoms.com Fine hand-crafted hardwood bastons and training knives --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 13:13:35 +0000 (UTC) From: Andrew Maddox To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Mon, 20 Aug 2007, Keith Slatoff (SP FTA) wrote: > Inmates in a prison Cebu, Philippines. > > Is this rehabilitation or punishment? > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnk7lh9M3o Ohmigawd. I finally had a chance to go and watch this - I'm almost speechless. To quote Col. Kurtz; "The horror... the horror..." Brought back truly scary memories of my not-so-misspent youth, even though the dancing was so close to the original (and good) it was scary. More frightening was (.USians will get this) seeing re-runs of old Soul Train episodes a couple of days ago. Caught them on WGN flipping through cable channels. My brain is seared with the images now, but this video got me laughing! Now, about FMA - what was I asking again? Anyway, for you other 'murricans out there, have a good Labor Day! afm -- Andrew Maddox, madsox2k at freeshell dot org Practitioner of Unaffiliated Martial Arts But really just, like, this guy, y'know? --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "Toma Rosenzweig" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:05:04 -0700 Subject: [Eskrima] (no subject) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Toma the Old One this is from my Friend Ted T. Up in Vancouver Canada Main e-Mail: tomawallaikido@earthlink.net I was introduced to Arnis and Remy by Mike Chan and Ray Van Rammsdonk. Mike is an akidoist and Ray a wing chun man. They were taking lessons from Remy and since he was out of town a lot, they put together a ‘practice’ group to keep their skills up and invited me to join. I met Yvette at a David Harris seminar, a tai chi player from Tacoma with incredible off balancing skills...he touched you and you fell over. Ray had brought him to town. To say she was his wife is wrong, I think. She was a girlfriend and the wife was back in the Filipines. I believe I remember Ray talking about teaching Remy how to use the mook jong dummy but I may be having false memory syndrome, :( He was around in Victoria much more than I knew, (he was a very private man) hanging with Mike and Ray. I was pretty small potatoes in that group. Ted T --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest