Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 02:48:22 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #323 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Human weapon episodes (Sidney Stein) 2. RE: Human weapon episodes (Jeremiah Hosch) 3. Re: Human weapon episodes (Mike Casto) 4. one letter (Ray) 5. Guro and guru (B Katz) 6. RE: one letter (FERDIE) 7. Re: one letter (Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Sidney Stein To: Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:58:40 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Human weapon episodes Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The next couple Fridays of human weapon (www.historychannel.com) are Cambodia kickboxing (similiar to Muay Thai) & Malaysian silat. Hopefully many of you will find these interesting. Sid _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailne ws --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Jeremiah Hosch" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Human weapon episodes Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:15:23 -0600 Organization: Strategic Defense Systems Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Can any body tell me what is the difference between Guru and Guro. J Hosch -----Original Message----- From: Sidney Stein [mailto:sidneystein@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:59 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Human weapon episodes The next couple Fridays of human weapon (www.historychannel.com) are Cambodia kickboxing (similiar to Muay Thai) & Malaysian silat. Hopefully many of you will find these interesting. Sid _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailn e ws _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Human weapon episodes To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Guru" is used in Indonesia/Malaysia/India, etc.. "Guro" is used in the Philippines. That's the only real difference. They mean the same and are from the same Sanskrit root of "guru." Now, why is there a difference in the PI? When the term arrived in the PI the language of the PI was what is known as "baybayin" or "alibata". There was no "oo" sound and not really an "r" sound in the language. So the closest they could get was "go [d]o" (but with a soft "d" that almost sounds like a rolled "r"). Over time and with various linguistic influences this evolved into "guro" - but if you listen closely to some of the old timers who (even though baybayin was already a nearly dead language by the time they were born - though some of their elders may still have used it when they were kids) you can still here the "go [d]o" in lingering in their pronunciation. Among the younger and foreign FMA practitioners you can distinctly hear the "goo ro" pronunciation. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: Jeremiah Hosch To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:15:23 PM Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Human weapon episodes Can any body tell me what is the difference between Guru and Guro. J Hosch -----Original Message----- From: Sidney Stein [mailto:sidneystein@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:59 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Human weapon episodes The next couple Fridays of human weapon (www.historychannel.com) are Cambodia kickboxing (similiar to Muay Thai) & Malaysian silat. Hopefully many of you will find these interesting. Sid _________________________________________________________________ Boo! Scare away worms, viruses and so much more! Try Windows Live OneCare! http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/purchase/trial.aspx?s_cid=wl_hotmailn e ws _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:21:37 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [Eskrima] one letter Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Can any body tell me what is the difference between Guru and Guro. Guru (Sanskrit), is a teacher in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism, as well as in many new religious movements. The guru is seen in these religions as a sacred conduit for wisdom and a way to self-realization, and the importance of finding a true guru is emphasized. In contemporary India, the word "guru" is widely used with the general meaning of "teacher". In Western usage, the original meaning of guru has been extended to cover anyone who acquires followers, though not necessarily in an established school of philosophy or religion. Guro, a teacher of the Filipino martial arts. Or so claimed by wikipedia... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:56:37 -0800 (PST) From: B Katz To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Guro and guru Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The difference between the Filipino and the Indian. www.eskrimacustoms.com Fine hand-crafted hardwood bastons and training knives --__--__-- Message: 6 From: FERDIE To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] one letter Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:36:57 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Actually guro means teacher in tagalog regardless of being a teacher in the Filipino Martial arts or a teacher in school. > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:21:37 -0800> From: rterry@idiom.com> Subject: [Eskrima] one letter> > > Can any body tell me what is the difference between Guru and Guro. > > Guru (Sanskrit), is a teacher in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism, as well > as in many new religious movements. The guru is seen in these religions as > a sacred conduit for wisdom and a way to self-realization, and the importance > of finding a true guru is emphasized.> > In contemporary India, the word "guru" is widely used with the general meaning> of "teacher". In Western usage, the original meaning of guru has been extended> to cover anyone who acquires followers, though not necessarily in an> established school of philosophy or religion. > > > Guro, a teacher of the Filipino martial arts.> > > Or so claimed by wikipedia...> > Ray Terry> rterry@idiom.com> _______________________________________________> Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!  Play Star Shuffle:  the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:21:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] one letter To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yup. As far as I know from talking to various people who grew up in Indonesia & India it's the same there. They use the term "guru" for their school teachers & such, too. ----- Original Message ---- From: FERDIE To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 5:36:57 PM Subject: RE: [Eskrima] one letter Actually guro means teacher in tagalog regardless of being a teacher in the Filipino Martial arts or a teacher in school. > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:21:37 -0800> From: rterry@idiom.com> Subject: [Eskrima] one letter> > > Can any body tell me what is the difference between Guru and Guro. > > Guru (Sanskrit), is a teacher in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism, as well > as in many new religious movements. The guru is seen in these religions as > a sacred conduit for wisdom and a way to self-realization, and the importance > of finding a true guru is emphasized.> > In contemporary India, the word "guru" is widely used with the general meaning> of "teacher". In Western usage, the original meaning of guru has been extended> to cover anyone who acquires followers, though not necessarily in an> established school of philosophy or religion. > > > Guro, a teacher of the Filipino martial arts.> > > Or so claimed by wikipedia...> > Ray Terry> rterry@idiom.com> _______________________________________________> Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! 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