Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 02:48:21 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #329 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2500 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Looking for a Guro (gogogomez@optonline.net) 2. RE: one letter (james jr. sy) 3. Re: one letter (nephalim1@aim.com) 4. Re: one letter (Glenn Timmons) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:25:21 +0000 (GMT) From: gogogomez@optonline.net To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Looking for a Guro Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi to All FMA practitioners,I'm looking for a Teacher of FMA/Arnis/Eskrima/Kali in the Stamford, Connecticut area. Does anyone know of someone I can study with? We had a school in Norwalk,but it closed down. Does anyone want to start a school in this area? I think it could do well here!Carlos Gomez [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of gogogomez.vcf; charset=us-ascii] --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:09:55 -0800 (PST) From: "james jr. sy" Subject: RE: [Eskrima] one letter To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Have to second the motion for Ferdie. Guro is "Teacher," regardless of the field of study. Actually, Guro is not a universal term used in the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA). Most who use the term, at least in the Philippines, are systems/styles native to Tagalog speaking regions. In the Visayas, we usually use familial terms of respect such as Teo/Teoy (for an old man) or Manong/Nong (term of respect for someone older, not necessarily old in age). Normally the Ilonggo teachers don't call themselves "teacher," "Guro," etc. It is the community that calls them Prof., Manunudlo, etc. in the third person. A side note. A colleague of mine and a British gentleman were communicating via email. The Brit, who was himself a dedicated teacher of FMA, asked my friend the meaning of Guro. My friend told him the definition and my friend almost died laughing when the gentleman told him that a couple of guys, themselves teachers of FMA, told him that a Guro lives in a cave! :p Just for the record, an FMA Guro don’t live in a cave, as the aforementioned gentlemen described him to be, like an old hermit in seclusion. FMA Guro in the Philippines live in houses much like in other civilized nations. Even those who live in the mountains or near the seashore, they live in Nipa houses. No cavemen Eskrimadores. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. FERDIE wrote: Actually guro means teacher in tagalog regardless of being a teacher in the Filipino Martial arts or a teacher in school. > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:21:37 -0800> From: rterry@idiom.com> Subject: [Eskrima] one letter> > > Can any body tell me what is the difference between Guru and Guro. > > Guru (Sanskrit), is a teacher in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism, as well > as in many new religious movements. The guru is seen in these religions as > a sacred conduit for wisdom and a way to self-realization, and the importance > of finding a true guru is emphasized.> > In contemporary India, the word "guru" is widely used with the general meaning> of "teacher". In Western usage, the original meaning of guru has been extended> to cover anyone who acquires followers, though not necessarily in an> established school of philosophy or religion. > > > Guro, a teacher of the Filipino martial arts.> > > Or so claimed by wikipedia...> > Ray Terry> rterry@idiom.com> _______________________________________________> Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. --__--__-- Message: 3 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] one letter Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:47:02 -0500 From: nephalim1@aim.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net In the Pampanga region we use "mestro" or "mestru" which is bastardized from, obviously,"maestro". "Talaturo" is another term used in that region. When talking about an elder( age or rankwise) we address them as Apo and affix the "ng" when added to a name. i.e. Apung Maliari. Jose Capitulo -----Original Message----- From: james jr. sy To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:09:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [Eskrima] one letter Have to second the motion for Ferdie. Guro is "Teacher," regardless of the field of study. Actually, Guro is not a universal term used in the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA). Most who use the term, at least in the Philippines, are systems/styles native to Tagalog speaking regions. In the Visayas, we usually use familial terms of respect such as Teo/Teoy (for an old man) or Manong/Nong (term of respect for someone older, not necessarily old in age). Normally the Ilonggo teachers don't call themselves "teacher," "Guro," etc. It is the community that calls them Prof., Manunudlo, etc. in the third person. A side note. A colleague of mine and a British gentleman were communicating via email. The Brit, who was himself a dedicated teacher of FMA, asked my friend the meaning of Guro. My friend told him the definition and my friend almost died laughing when the gentleman told him that a couple of guys, themselves teachers of FMA, told him that a Guro lives in a cave! :p Just for the record, an FMA Guro don’t live in a cave, as the aforementioned gentlemen described him to be, like an old hermit in seclusion. FMA Guro in the Philippines live in houses much like in other civilized nations. Even those who live in the mountains or near the seashore, they live in Nipa houses. No cavemen Eskrimadores. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. FERDIE wrote: Actually guro means teacher in tagalog regardless of being a teacher in the Filipino Martial arts or a teacher in school. > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:21:37 -0800> From: rterry@idiom.com> Subject: [Eskrima] one letter> > > Can any body tell me what is the difference between Guru and Guro. > > Guru (Sanskrit), is a teacher in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism, as well > as in many new religious movements. The guru is seen in these religions as > a sacred conduit for wisdom and a way to self-realization, and the importance > of finding a true guru is emphasized.> > In contemporary India, the word "guru" is widely used with the general meaning> of "teacher". In Western usage, the original meaning of guru has been extended> to cover anyone who acquires followers, though not necessarily in an> established school of philosophy or religion. > > > Guro, a teacher of the Filipino martial arts.> > > Or so claimed by wikipedia...> > Ray Terry> rterry@idiom.com> _______________________________________________> Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! Play Star Shuffle: the word scramble challenge with star power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_oct _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 14:55:13 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Timmons Subject: Re: [Eskrima] one letter To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net interesting; the cave part was funny though..Happy Thanksgiving to all! ----- Original Message ---- From: "nephalim1@aim.com" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 12:47:02 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] one letter In the Pampanga region we use "mestro" or "mestru" which is bastardized from, obviously,"maestro". "Talaturo" is another term used in that region. When talking about an elder( age or rankwise) we address them as Apo and affix the "ng" when added to a name. i.e. Apung Maliari. Jose Capitulo -----Original Message----- From: james jr. sy To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:09:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: RE: [Eskrima] one letter Have to second the motion for Ferdie. Guro is "Teacher," regardless of the field of study. Actually, Guro is not a universal term used in the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA). Most who use the term, at least in the Philippines, are systems/styles native to Tagalog speaking regions. In the Visayas, we usually use familial terms of respect such as Teo/Teoy (for an old man) or Manong/Nong (term of respect for someone older, not necessarily old in age). Normally the Ilonggo teachers don't call themselves "teacher," "Guro," etc. It is the community that calls them Prof., Manunudlo, etc. in the third person. A side note. A colleague of mine and a British gentleman were communicating via email. The Brit, who was himself a dedicated teacher of FMA, asked my friend the meaning of Guro. My friend told him the definition and my friend almost died laughing when the gentleman told him that a couple of guys, themselves teachers of FMA, told him that a Guro lives in a cave! :p Just for the record, an FMA Guro don˘t live in a cave, as the aforementioned gentlemen described him to be, like an old hermit in seclusion. FMA Guro in the Philippines live in houses much like in other civilized nations. Even those who live in the mountains or near the seashore, they live in Nipa houses. No cavemen Eskrimadores. James U. Sy Jr. Conceptual Martial Arts Society (CMAS), Inc. FERDIE wrote: Actually guro means teacher in tagalog regardless of being a teacher in the Filipino Martial arts or a teacher in school. > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:21:37 -0800> From: rterry@idiom.com> Subject: [Eskrima] one letter> > > Can any body tell me what is the difference between Guru and Guro. > > Guru (Sanskrit), is a teacher in Hinduism, Buddhism, and Sikhism, as well > as in many new religious movements. The guru is seen in these religions as > a sacred conduit for wisdom and a way to self-realization, and the importance > of finding a true guru is emphasized.> > In contemporary India, the word "guru" is widely used with the general meaning> of "teacher". In Western usage, the original meaning of guru has been extended> to cover anyone who acquires followers, though not necessarily in an> established school of philosophy or religion. > > > Guro, a teacher of the Filipino martial arts.> > > Or so claimed by wikipedia...> > Ray Terry> rterry@idiom.com> _______________________________________________> Eskrima mailing list, 2400 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net> Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource> Standard disclaimers apply> Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts! 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