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Re: video clip: knife vs just grappling (Czar Peralta) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: mpc60 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Stick bags and cases Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 22:59:22 -0500 To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Thanks for the reply Steve, I'll check them out. Thansk to everyone else as well. I've been looking into everyones suggestions. Karl Swass BSDA/MBC -----Original Message----- From: steve juhasz Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 10:46 AM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Stick bags and cases you may also want to check out/consider bladerigger.com as an alternative to the aforementioned options in this thread. i've used the bladerigger stick bag for years with great success. :^) check the site out. steve On 11/29/07, Terry Sarros (sarros) wrote: > > For smaller sized - few sticks and knives - I use this: > > http://www.spargear.com/product_109.html > > Hope this helps. > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mr KRS [mailto:mpc60@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 11:46 AM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Stick bags and cases > > Hello to all, > > I am looking for a good carrying case preferably made out of Nylon or > Cordura with enough pockets for training blades etc. Any > recommendations? > > > Karl Swass > BSDA/MBC > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ____________ > Be a better pen pal. > Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. > http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 12:55:29 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Karate teacher charged with felony Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 04:18 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote: >Here's the link to the story and video. >http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/hampton/dp-now-karateteacher.1126,0,838503.story > >Nannyism lives in America ! When I first read this article, I incorrectly >assumed this >occured in England. Notice that most of the reactions to the article >assume that >the teacher had criminally intent, largely based on her appearance in an >unflattering photo. I don't think she had criminal intent to hurt anyone, but that doesn't mean she didn't blow it. From what I understand, you have to watch it when you teach kids. And whining about "nannyism" wont' do you any good if an irate parent is suing you. My Kali instructor recently told me, "In most businesses it's location, location, location. In martial arts it's liability, liability, liability." This proves it. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:28:00 -0800 (PST) From: Jonathan Kessler Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Karate teacher charged with felony To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "In most businesses it's location, location, location. In martial arts it's liability, liability, liability." And that sums up the truth of the matter. In America today, teaching martial arts is a business, one that caters to children and soccer moms, in an environment where one sues a restaurant because the coffee that they serve is hot. To be fair, at this point perhaps we should stop calling them "martial arts" and start calling them "children's safe combat-derived athletics". Or maybe "rigorous babysitting with white pajamas and belts". I have a friend (more accurately a remote acquaintence) who trained in the 70's in a very traditional martial art. He is a decidedly proven fighter, having taken turns in the French Foreign Legion and years of high level protection work. I know a goodly number of other people who trained in that era - their training was hard core indeed. He gets very irate when people say that TMA (traditional martial arts) are not effective in the street. But the TMA that he experienced (and that many others who trained in that era learned) are a far cry from the "rigorous babysitting" that is taught in most strip malls today. One man's perspective, sorry if I offend. JK Michael Gallagher wrote: At 04:18 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote: >Here's the link to the story and video. >http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/hampton/dp-now-karateteacher.1126,0,838503.story I don't think she had criminal intent to hurt anyone, but that doesn't mean she didn't blow it. From what I understand, you have to watch it when you teach kids. And whining about "nannyism" wont' do you any good if an irate parent is suing you. My Kali instructor recently told me, "In most businesses it's location, location, location. In martial arts it's liability, liability, liability." This proves it. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:49:38 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Timmons Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Karate teacher charged with felony To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net This Teacher could have demonstrated on a heavy bag raised off the a few inches to show the effectiveness of a kick to the ribs.. she did not use common; look at the situation that she is in now... 200 times?that's just plain stupid; she must have issues ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Gallagher To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:55:29 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Karate teacher charged with felony At 04:18 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote: >Here's the link to the story and video. >http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/hampton/dp-now-karateteacher.1126,0,838503.story > >Nannyism lives in America ! When I first read this article, I incorrectly >assumed this >occured in England. Notice that most of the reactions to the article >assume that >the teacher had criminally intent, largely based on her appearance in an >unflattering photo. I don't think she had criminal intent to hurt anyone, but that doesn't mean she didn't blow it. From what I understand, you have to watch it when you teach kids. And whining about "nannyism" wont' do you any good if an irate parent is suing you. My Kali instructor recently told me, "In most businesses it's location, location, location. In martial arts it's liability, liability, liability." This proves it. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 10:39:18 -0800 (PST) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: teacher kicking student 200 times Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Police Lieutenant D.J. George says Bateman issued a challenge November 7th during class at a Suffolk dojo to see how many kicks to the abdomen students could take. Students got into a push-up position while Bateman kicked, stopping when the student either said to or went to his or her knees." i dont thing its fair to judge this lady right away, except for a stupid idea with kids. she challenged her students to take this punishment, and some boys tried to stand up to it. i think it shows what the kids was made of, but it also showed bad judgement from the teacher. i understand, that she was toughening up her students, which is good, but 200 kicks, even if there not very powerful kick, can cause bleeding in the belly. me, i would not done this with kid students, because its hard to determine, what is too much power for them because their small, even a kid whose 11 or 13 years old, their body is not developed yet for this kind of punishment from a grown up. i dont know about charging her "child endangerment", but if it was my kids, i'd probably want to send her to jail too. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 11:43:24 -0800 (PST) From: Jye nigma To: MartialArtsTalk@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Eskrima] video clip: knife vs just grappling Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Check out this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izDQwDT_ERg&feature=related Jye --------------------------------- Be a better sports nut! 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Try it now. --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:24:48 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Timmons Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Karate teacher charged with felony To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net PLEASE EXCUSE :RAISED OFF THE FLOOR A FEW INCHES... ----- Original Message ---- From: Glenn Timmons To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:49:38 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Karate teacher charged with felony This Teacher could have demonstrated on a heavy bag raised off the a few inches to show the effectiveness of a kick to the ribs.. she did not use common; look at the situation that she is in now... 200 times?that's just plain stupid; she must have issues ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Gallagher To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 9:55:29 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Karate teacher charged with felony At 04:18 AM 11/29/2007, you wrote: >Here's the link to the story and video. >http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/hampton/dp-now-karateteacher.1126,0,838503.story > >Nannyism lives in America ! When I first read this article, I incorrectly >assumed this >occured in England. Notice that most of the reactions to the article >assume that >the teacher had criminally intent, largely based on her appearance in an >unflattering photo. I don't think she had criminal intent to hurt anyone, but that doesn't mean she didn't blow it. From what I understand, you have to watch it when you teach kids. And whining about "nannyism" wont' do you any good if an irate parent is suing you. My Kali instructor recently told me, "In most businesses it's location, location, location. In martial arts it's liability, liability, liability." This proves it. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:32:21 -0800 (PST) From: Glenn Timmons Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: teacher kicking student 200 times To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I did know what this kind of training is suppose to prove... It just to bad this happened :but, I least this will be a lesson to learn from... I don't think sending her to jail is good enough.. I would close the dojo down for awhile and have her do some community service.. --- Original Message ---- From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, November 30, 2007 10:39:18 AM Subject: [Eskrima] Re: teacher kicking student 200 times "Police Lieutenant D.J. George says Bateman issued a challenge November 7th during class at a Suffolk dojo to see how many kicks to the abdomen students could take. Students got into a push-up position while Bateman kicked, stopping when the student either said to or went to his or her knees." i dont thing its fair to judge this lady right away, except for a stupid idea with kids. she challenged her students to take this punishment, and some boys tried to stand up to it. i think it shows what the kids was made of, but it also showed bad judgement from the teacher. i understand, that she was toughening up her students, which is good, but 200 kicks, even if there not very powerful kick, can cause bleeding in the belly. me, i would not done this with kid students, because its hard to determine, what is too much power for them because their small, even a kid whose 11 or 13 years old, their body is not developed yet for this kind of punishment from a grown up. i dont know about charging her "child endangerment", but if it was my kids, i'd probably want to send her to jail too. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:06:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Guro T.C." Subject: Re: [Eskrima] video clip: knife vs just grappling To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Informative. My question is this. Why would you be stationary in front of someone with a knife? Additionally, why would you not be moving to minimize your damage and maximize you positioning? What happened to "fluidity of motion", a staple in the FMAs? There's still no guarantee that you will survive a knife attack but at least attack what's attacking you. I tell my students all the time "If you don't want to get cut or stabbed don't get into a knife fight". We all know the ultimate goal from any attack is survival. When you're empty handed and in a confrontation with a knife wielding aggressor, you don't try to "scoop" him and wrestle with him. He didn't even go for his knife hand. Like I said, informative, but not realistic. Thoughts? --- Jye nigma wrote: > Check out this video: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izDQwDT_ERg&feature=related > > Jye > > > > --------------------------------- > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > Guy "T.C." Jones Owner/Head Instructor Cedar Hill Martial Arts Center 310 E. Parkerville Rd (Cedar Hill Rec Center) Cedar Hill Tx, 75104 See Grandmaster Anding de Leon and Guro T.C. Jones at www.arnisdeleon.com "When a leopard dies he leaves his skin...a man his reputation." --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2007 15:18:06 -0800 From: "Czar Peralta" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] video clip: knife vs just grappling Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Agreed. But how "informative" was it really? I think it was purely entertaining. What do you think the point of that video was? ....to show that grappling doesn't work against a knife wielding assailant? ...or to show you how to stab someone if they take you down? LOL ~Czar Peralta On Nov 30, 2007 3:06 PM, Guro T.C. wrote: > Informative. My question is this. Why would you be > stationary in front of someone with a knife? > Additionally, why would you not be moving to minimize > your damage and maximize you positioning? What > happened to "fluidity of motion", a staple in the > FMAs? There's still no guarantee that you will > survive a knife attack but at least attack what's > attacking you. > > I tell my students all the time "If you don't want to > get cut or stabbed don't get into a knife fight". We > all know the ultimate goal from any attack is > survival. When you're empty handed and in a > confrontation with a knife wielding aggressor, you > don't try to "scoop" him and wrestle with him. He > didn't even go for his knife hand. > > Like I said, informative, but not realistic. > Thoughts? > > --- Jye nigma wrote: > > > Check out this video: > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izDQwDT_ERg&feature=related > > > > Jye > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you > > with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > > Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > > > > > > > Guy "T.C." Jones > Owner/Head Instructor > Cedar Hill Martial Arts Center > 310 E. Parkerville Rd (Cedar Hill Rec Center) > Cedar Hill Tx, 75104 > > See Grandmaster Anding de Leon and Guro T.C. Jones at www.arnisdeleon.com > > "When a leopard dies he leaves his skin...a man his reputation." > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest