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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Hot Link (Armstrong, Steven T SSG RES USAR TRADOC) 2. Re: Hot Link (Mike Casto) 3. Re: Hot Link (Tom Howanic) 4. Re: Re:Karate teacher charged with felony (Michael Gallagher) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Armstrong, Steven T SSG RES USAR TRADOC" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 09:38:00 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Hot Link Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Please check out this link and tell me how you feel about this stuff. I found it very interesting to say the least. http://www.closecombattraining.com/freecourse/whipkick.php http://www.closecombattraining.com/freecourse/fingerdart.php SSG ARMSTRONG --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 09:13:07 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Hot Link To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net It's really basic - but that's not a bad thing. I think they (like some others I've seen) take the "lose fine motor skills" somewhat out of context. Yes, if your heart rate exceeds a certain amount - and 145bpm is the common number I've heard but I've also heard that it's not a hard & fast rule, the specific rate will vary from person to person - but at a certain rate around 145 your complex motor skills deteriorate. Your fine motor skills actually deteriorate at a lower rate around 115. But the range roughly between 115 & 145 is the "optimal survival & combat performance level." What some people assume, though, is that *everyone* will shoot over that ~145 mark in a fight. This isn't quite true. An untrained person, certainly. They'll *very* quickly escalate into a panic state where they start losing cognitive processes, they get tunnel vision, they lose depth perception, etc. The more training someone has the slower this escalation happens. A trained person with a fair amount of "stress inoculation" (stealing the term from David Grossman) will be able to stay "in the zone" (i.e.: ~115 - ~145 bpm) for much longer and may never exceed that ~145 mark. "Stress inoculation" comes from technical training to one degree but reaches its peak in training during sparring (at least with regards to close quarters, non-projectile fighting). But sparring is, by definition, a testing of the material. Working the technical material under stress. I know quite a few people who start sparring right out of the gate - before they've developed any technical skills to test. From this experience, they deduce that certain material won't work because it failed in sparring. But, at least some of the time, it's failing because they haven't developed it yet. So the material must first be developed. Then it must be tested. But if it fails once, that's not conclusive that it doesn't work for you because when you first start sparring you will also likely elevate past that ~145 mark. After you get comfortable sparring and your heart rate no longer stays above that level for long (it may spike above that level, that's to be expected) *then* you're really ready to test and evaluate whether your material will likely work for you. Having said all that, when it comes to very basic self-defense aimed at people who don't/won't train the material regularly then, yeah, you have to stick with the most simplistic stuff so that it might actually work when they do panic. But, realistically, if they don't train the material - even the simplistic stuff - then they're still relying completely on luck to get them through a situation that turns hairy. Our training improves our odds. That's all. There are no guarantees. But the more time we put into training and developing and, once developed, into testing and stress inoculation, the better our chances of surviving a violent confrontation. Luck is always a factor but the more training we have the less we have to rely on luck. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: "Armstrong, Steven T SSG RES USAR TRADOC" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2007 10:38:00 AM Subject: [Eskrima] Hot Link Please check out this link and tell me how you feel about this stuff. I found it very interesting to say the least. http://www.closecombattraining.com/freecourse/whipkick.php http://www.closecombattraining.com/freecourse/fingerdart.php SSG ARMSTRONG _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Tom Howanic" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Hot Link Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 11:43:14 -0600 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net OH MY GOD IM FED UP WITH THESE GUYS! Don't get me wrong. I believe that some of todays "Reality Based" combat training has some good things to offer. RBC presents good concepts and tactics that are important for real situations. However, when some instructor claims or implies that techniques such as "side kicks" or "front kicks" are either ineffective or "too difficult" to pull off in a real situation, I have to disagree. I have used side kicks and front kicks (low) in real situations. Granted some martial arts techniques rely on fine motor skills and are therefore difficult if not impossible to use in a real self-protection situation. But let us not forget about repetition. Through constant repetition a fine motor skill can eventually become a gross motor skill. There is a proverb that says, "Do not fear the man who knows 10,000 techniques. Fear the man who knows 1 technique and has done it 10,000 times." When I first began to drive a car it was a fine motor skill. Lastly, I am a little irritated with some of these RBC instructors who act as if they have come up with some new unstopple scientific top secret space commando system all on their own. In many occasions they just copied techniques from other martial arts systems. Let me say that there is nothing wrong in my opinion with using techniques from many different martial arts, but when some instructor claims himself as the "originator" he is either unknowledgeable or deceptive. We all know that there is probalby some old guy somewhere who would use those "impossible" techniques on some RBC instructor and make him mess his pants....then beat him for getting the floor dirty. (Trying to be clean here...want to use some different words.) There. Now Im spent. tom --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2007 12:49:50 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Michael Gallagher Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re:Karate teacher charged with felony Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net At 01:28 PM 11/30/2007, you wrote: >"In most businesses it's location, location, location. In martial arts >it's liability, liability, >liability." > And that sums up the truth of the matter. > In America today, teaching martial arts is a business, one that caters > to children and soccer moms, in an environment where one sues a > restaurant because the coffee that they serve is hot .... One man's > perspective, sorry if I offend. > A bit harshly worded, but from what I understand, if you want to cover the costs of operating a storefront school --- forget getting rich; I'm talking about breaking even and hopefully having a little leftover -- the two main ways to do it are to have a kid's class and have a pro shop. That doesn't mean you can't have hard core TMA training (or MMA or whatever) under that roof, but if you want to stay in or near the black, that's what you have to do. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest