Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 02:48:21 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #346 - 5 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Hot Link (Tarn Shadowhawk) 2. Man sues instructor (Thomas Gordon) 3. SEA Games (Eskrima-FMA) 4. Re: Hot Link (Armstrong, Steven T SSG RES USAR TRADOC) 5. death matches, was Hot Link (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2007 18:54:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tarn Shadowhawk Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Hot Link To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I wonder what he would say if I told him the master of my style had to kill twice with his "cultural style" in self defense. Most of the head masters in the Phillipines fought challenge matches for real. Sounds like serious fighting to me. My students and I train as hard as we can while still keeping it safe. I can see why anyone might think as he does tho. I have been trying to put together a weapons only tournament with a "few holds barred" format and so far it seems that most people are only into forms and demos with weapons. Any serious practitioners out their want a chance at the money in a true challenge? Oh well. Training is as you say the key. If you train hard enough most combat styles will see you thru when the going gets tough. Sensei Charles Adams --- "Armstrong, Steven T SSG RES USAR TRADOC" wrote: > I believe that my real issue with this CPT. and his > self defense he says that a lot of FMA such as arnis > and escrima are cultural arts and not true self > defense. I know that as a soldier who has been to > Iraq and Afghanistan and Cuba I can personally vouch > for the effectiveness of escrima and any style can > be true self defense by Capt.Chris's definition and > all you have to do is train for a style to work in a > self defense scenario. Training is the only way to > make you're style effective for any situation even > if you're style is the touted special defeat anyone > self defense system you still have to train to be > effective. > > SSG ARMSTRONG > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "Thomas Gordon" To: "Thomas Gordon" Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 08:14:33 -0600 Subject: [Eskrima] Man sues instructor Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hWqoBBeJ8MEkD1N1H-1ecawv3W5A Campbell River man hurt sparring with martial arts teacher wins damages VANCOUVER - A man who sued his martial arts teacher after his knee was injured while the teacher was demonstrating a move has been awarded damages of more than $155,000 in B.C. Supreme Court. Court was told that Robert Parker of Campbell River suffered a ligament tear and damage to the cartilage of his right knee as a result of pressure applied by Jodey Ingalls on Jan. 23, 2003. Parker said he heard his knee pop, rip and tear, suffered excruciating pain and blacked out for 20 to 30 seconds. Parker eventually had surgery on the knee, in May 2004, but his knee is still stiff in the morning and he limps for the first couple of steps he take. Court was told he can't ski or do martial arts, play baseball or ride his bike off-road, has gained 30 pounds since the injury and continues to take pain and anti-inflammatory medication. He's also unable to work on his house or trade work with his friends and his ability to help with chores around the house is reduced. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 06:58:17 -0800 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] SEA Games Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >From pencak silat to sanshou wushu, martial arts fans have large choice at SEA Games AP NAKHON RATCHASIMA, Thailand: Cheak Bun Hong has chosen his sport wisely. Despite only one year's experience in the martial art of sanshou wushu, the Cambodian got as far as the quarterfinals at the Southeast Asian Games. "I love this sport," Hong said late Friday after losing 2-0 to Senduk Youne Victorio from Indonesia. "It is lucky I like it, because I didn't have a choice. If I wanted to come to the SEA Games, it was my only chance." This year's event has seven Asian martial arts, and only true aficionados could possibly claim knowledge of all. What is kempo? And how does it differ to pencak silat? Who might win gold at wushu? >From martial arts imported from northern Asia to homegrown techniques, athletes here are competing for 106 gold medals. The imported sports begin with wushu, an exhibition and full-contact sport derived from Chinese martial arts, with film star Jet Li its most famous practitioner. Wushu is subdivided into taolu — which uses weapons — and sanshou, which does not. Taolu is similar to gymnastics, and competitors are known to spin up to 720 degrees in the air on a jump. Sanshou is more like close-contact boxing, often ending in bear hugs with athletes trying to kick and flip each other. Taekwondo, from Korea, is a better known art and has Olympic pedigree. It is marked by powerful punches and complicated kicks that move in fast to do the most damage. Judo, too, is a recognized sport among global audiences. It does not involves weapons, strikes or thrusts. Instead, the object is to throw an opponent to ground, subdue him with a grappling maneuver, or force submission by joint locking the elbow or by applying a choke-hold. Karate-do, from Japan, includes the grappling of wushu and the strikes of taekwondo, with or without weapons. Muay thai, literally "Thai boxing," is the national sport of Thailand, and began with Siamese soldiers as far back as 2000 years ago. Unlike other Asian forms of kickboxing, the Thai version places a strong emphasis on kicking, and almost every part of the body can be used to attack an opponent, except for head-butting. Pencak silat, is a combination of more than 800 schools of fighting throughout Indonesia. Every region in the archipelago has passed down its own version of the sport, with or without weapons. And kempo — a demonstration sport here — is also a kicking and punching sport, but in full protective gear. Despite his defeat, Hong's spirits were still high. "You can't make money as an athlete in Cambodia," Hong said. "I'm going to try to find work playing my clarinet." --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Armstrong, Steven T SSG RES USAR TRADOC" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 08 Dec 2007 13:03:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Hot Link Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Are you talking about the kind of tournament like the Dog Brothers host. They are full contact and with weapons. I have found them to be very violent and good for judging where you're skill level is against another trained opponent. I think this type of tournament would be very beneficial to anyone serious about training. I see a lot of people today who just want to get the fastest road possible to being the baddest dude around. I see this a lot and they do not want to put in a lot of time training. It has put a strain on training in the world we live in now. SSG ARMSTRONG ----- Original Message ----- From: Tarn Shadowhawk Date: Friday, December 7, 2007 20:59 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Hot Link To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I wonder what he would say if I told him the master of > my style had to kill twice with his "cultural style" > in self defense. Most of the head masters in the > Phillipines fought challenge matches for real. Sounds > like serious fighting to me. My students and I train > as hard as we can while still keeping it safe. I can > see why anyone might think as he does tho. I have been > trying to put together a weapons only tournament with > a "few holds barred" format and so far it seems that > most people are only into forms and demos with > weapons. Any serious practitioners out their want a > chance at the money in a true challenge? > Oh well. Training is as you say the key. If you train > hard enough most combat styles will see you thru when > the going gets tough. > Sensei Charles Adams > > --- "Armstrong, Steven T SSG RES USAR TRADOC" > wrote: > > > I believe that my real issue with this CPT. and his > > self defense he says that a lot of FMA such as arnis > > and escrima are cultural arts and not true self > > defense. I know that as a soldier who has been to > > Iraq and Afghanistan and Cuba I can personally vouch > > for the effectiveness of escrima and any style can > > be true self defense by Capt.Chris's definition and > > all you have to do is train for a style to work in a > > self defense scenario. Training is the only way to > > make you're style effective for any situation even > > if you're style is the touted special defeat anyone > > self defense system you still have to train to be > > effective. > > > > SSG ARMSTRONG > > _______________________________________________ > > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > > Resource > > Standard disclaimers apply > > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping_______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 14:58:47 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [Eskrima] death matches, was Hot Link Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There is a long held myth that the old FMA masters would test their skills by participating in "death matches". Not sport matches with protective gear and a ref, but actual death matches. I suspect that there were in fact a few death matches, but no where near what some claim. One of my favs is a, ummm, dedicated follower of Cacoy Canete that claims Cacoy fought in 100 death matches, never lost a match -and- never had to kill anyone. THEN IT WASN'T A DEATH MATCH! I'm fairly certain that Cacoy would not make that claim, yet this is how the myth begins. A student telling tales about how good his training must be because his instructor killed those that dared to cross sticks or swords with him. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest