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I remember those days and I am still working on promoting this very issue since we trained together back in NC. -Daniel Arola jason couture wrote: I feel full contact training is a very important part of a self defense system. If you truly want to see what works, what's crap and what you are capable of pulling off at your body size and strength, full contact/real contact needs to be addressed. Some students may be more in love with the movie version of self defense or just want to feel they are a bad ass because they go to classes a few days a week. I say to this.... "to each his own". The trick is finding people capable of delivering the realistic pain and knowing where the danger limit is. Only stupid, self serving training partners cross that line. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net DAMAG-INC [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] http://www.damag-inc.zoomshare.com Houston, Texas --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:58:03 -0800 (PST) From: Tarn Shadowhawk Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: death matches and hard core training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sounds good. Where do I find the DVD's? --- Kim Satterfield wrote: > Hi all, > If you all want to see something, check out Tom Kier > of Sayoc Kali, and his DVD's. I spent the afternoon > with my long time buddy and teacher Al McLuckie > yesterday, and he showed me a DVD of Tuhon Kier that > included a little "contest" Kier and his compadres > put together. (Al and Tuhon Kier have be close > friends for years). It was full-contact stick > fighting, and the rules were very easy to > follow...there weren't any. No body targets were > off limits, no technique was outlawed, and > absolutely no protective equipment was allowed, > none, including groin cups. These guys just warmed > up and went at it. I've seen a lot in my day, but I > can honestly say that I was more than impressed by > the sheer guts of these guys. I've been in the > martial arts for 35 years, but I've never seen > anything that made me wince in pain just watching > like this DVD did after every blow these guys > landed. They were serious, folks. I just sat back > with my mouth hanging open and realized that as > brutal as it was, these guys were walking the walk. > > Kim Satterfield > > > In the words of the late, great John Belushi, "Wise > Up" > > --------------------------------- > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:17:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tarn Shadowhawk Subject: Re: [Eskrima] full contact training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Daniel! Glad to find you in here as well as your group. Now I am going to ask you guys a question. Jason you can answer too. What do you consider full contact training? To me it means going thru the moves as fast and acurately as possible, but stopping just short of injury. For example, in my school I have the hardest time getting the guys to really make it hard for the girls to, say, get away from a wrist grab. I have to tell them not to let go unless the girl actually breaks the hold. Also that you must throw a punch as fast as possible but you don't have to actually make contact. Lets face it, if a much larger and stronger opponant hits you in the face just right that is going to be it for you. If you have nose strengthening techniques let me know cause mine will just break. Now full contact to me has nothing to do with trading punches which is just dumb. It means doing the best technique to the most vital area you can reach. If a 110 pound girl hits a 200 pound man in the throat correctly he is going to stop breathing. I teach my students that interupting the breathing process is the best way to stop an attack. So throat, the solar plexus, then groin, and you have paralized the nervous system that they have to at least pass out to breath again. And that is if you didn't crush the throat with the first punch. I make them all practice until they can be sure of the focus and power of their strikes. Lets face it. We are NOT going to be attacked by an unarmed opponant that is not bigger and stronger than us. No matter how big we are, unless said individual has some other advantage we are not aware of. If you want to practice trading shots with someone find a guy that has at least 40 pounds on you and have him bring a friend. That is more likely what is going to happen in this day and age anyway. We do have a conditioning exercise that will go a long way in allowing you to become able to not only take a great shot but give one too. It is called "kotikitae". It involves a partner alternating with you in striking: legs,inside and outside. Arms, inside and outside, and palm heal to face, mastoid process, check, and chin. It all starts out mildly and progresses to 80% of full stike ability. The head is an exception cause that would knock out most people. The point is that done correctly it conditions you to take a punch and give one SAFELY. There are no wimps in my school,man or woman. They all have to do this. The girls do get a little vicious tho.lol Sorry to be so long winded. Let me know what you think. --- Daniel Arola wrote: > Hell yeah Jason! I remember those days and I am > still working on promoting this very issue since we > trained together back in NC. > > -Daniel Arola > > jason couture wrote: I > feel full contact training is a very important part > of a self defense system. If you truly want to see > what works, what's crap and what you are capable of > pulling off at your body size and strength, full > contact/real contact needs to be addressed. Some > students may be more in love with the movie version > of > self defense or just want to feel they are a bad ass > because they go to classes a few days a week. I say > to this.... "to each his own". The trick is finding > people capable of delivering the realistic pain and > knowing where the danger limit is. Only stupid, self > serving training partners cross that line. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > > > > DAMAG-INC > [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] > http://www.damag-inc.zoomshare.com > Houston, Texas > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them > fast with Yahoo! Search. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:45:43 -0800 (PST) From: Tarn Shadowhawk Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Frequency To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I guess I misunderstood. Of course you are right. I have certainly had my fair share of hits and given a few. You must admit tho that some people carry this to extremes. Hey we all have to go to work the next day. Want to know something embarassing? Go out on a date friday night with the whole side of your face purple. Afraid I did that to someone once. He forgave me tho. I think the point is don't whine if you get a bo bo just smile and keep going. I have found out even on the street if you take someones best shot and smile back at them as you contact it REALLY un-nerves them. --- Ray wrote: > > .... If you need to find out > > how you react to a full contact hit, why would you > > need to do it more than once? > > Over a 20 or 30 year period one would normally > experience full contact > hits. You're right in that it isn't needed every > week, not even every > month. But it should be part of your training, if > you're serious about > martial arts. > > Black eye, busted lip, broken finger, stick > hickeys... all something > we'll all experience in our years of serious > training. Kids? No, > they don't need to be training that realistically. > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --__--__-- Message: 5 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:20:43 EST To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net CC: eskrimador22@yahoo.com Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Sayoc Stcikfighting DVD Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think that is their Stickgrappling DVD. One guy looked like he definitely had a concussion. sayoc.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=24&products_id=152 K. Williams Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 05:36:03 -0800 (PST) From: Kim Satterfield To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: death matches and hard core training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi all, If you all want to see something, check out Tom Kier of Sayoc Kali, and his DVD's. I spent the afternoon with my long time buddy and teacher Al McLuckie yesterday, and he showed me a DVD of Tuhon Kier that included a little "contest" Kier and his compadres put together. (Al and Tuhon Kier have be close friends for years). It was full-contact stick fighting, and the rules were very easy to follow...there weren't any. No body targets were off limits, no technique was outlawed, and absolutely no protective equipment was allowed, none, including groin cups. These guys just warmed up and went at it. I've seen a lot in my day, but I can honestly say that I was more than impressed by the sheer guts of these guys. I've been in the martial arts for 35 years, but I've never seen anything that made me wince in pain just watching like this DVD did after every blow these guys landed. They were serious, folks. I just sat back with my mouth hanging open and realized that as brutal as it was, these guys were walking the walk. Kim Satterfield In the words of the late, great John Belushi, "Wise Up" **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2007: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest