Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 02:48:24 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 14 #356 - 7 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. RE: Re: death matches and hard core training (Tarn Shadowhawk) 2. Stickgrappling DVD (Steven Lefebvre) 3. Real Contact/Death Matches (gatpuno@aol.com) 4. Re: Full Contact (Ray) 5. scam (Nick Hughes) 6. Re: scam (Ray) 7. Full Contact (Peter Gow) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 22:16:16 -0800 (PST) From: Tarn Shadowhawk Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Re: death matches and hard core training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Great. My mailing address is: 907Sherrill St. Winnsboro,Tx. 75494. Don't worry that I posted my real address. The world can see it at:www.freewebs.com/battlefieldweaponstournament Let me know the charge for the copy. Thanks --- Jeremiah Hosch wrote: > I can send you a copy I bought from Canada. > > J Hosch > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Arola > [mailto:houstonkaligroup@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:18 PM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: death matches and hard > core training > > That's the Sayoc Kali Stickgrappling DVD. It's WORTH > IT! > This is a clip that walks the walk when it comes > to no-nonsense execution > that the art itself offers. > > Daniel > > Tarn Shadowhawk wrote: > Sounds good. Where do I find the DVD's? > > --- Kim Satterfield wrote: > > > Hi all, > > If you all want to see something, check out Tom > Kier > > of Sayoc Kali, and his DVD's. I spent the > afternoon > > with my long time buddy and teacher Al McLuckie > > yesterday, and he showed me a DVD of Tuhon Kier > that > > included a little "contest" Kier and his compadres > > put together. (Al and Tuhon Kier have be close > > friends for years). It was full-contact stick > > fighting, and the rules were very easy to > > follow...there weren't any. No body targets were > > off limits, no technique was outlawed, and > > absolutely no protective equipment was allowed, > > none, including groin cups. These guys just warmed > > up and went at it. I've seen a lot in my day, but > I > > can honestly say that I was more than impressed by > > the sheer guts of these guys. I've been in the > > martial arts for 35 years, but I've never seen > > anything that made me wince in pain just watching > > like this DVD did after every blow these guys > > landed. They were serious, folks. I just sat back > > with my mouth hanging open and realized that as > > brutal as it was, these guys were walking the > walk. > > > > Kim Satterfield > > > > > > In the words of the late, great John Belushi, > "Wise > > Up" > > > > --------------------------------- > > Never miss a thing. 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Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --__--__-- Message: 2 From: Steven Lefebvre To: Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:46:41 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Stickgrappling DVD Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hi All, Although there were cuts, bruises etc during the fights for the Sayoc Stickgrappling DVD, no one actually had a concussion! Amazing considering the hits that were taken that day! Gumagalang Guro Steve L. --__--__-- Message: 3 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:46:54 -0500 From: gatpuno@aol.com Subject: [Eskrima] Real Contact/Death Matches Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello, I made many friends and made many enemy by talking about Full Contact NO-padded Stickfighting before. But you know what, I really dont care anymore a lot of the practitioner dont like the idea of real fighting. People talk aobut it, but dont act on? it, walk the talk. They stay in their little box, and their group that has the same mentality of training, so stay on my box too. But hey there is no other better training that real Contact. In regartds oif Death Matches, I have one thing to say. Still exist and some part of the Philippines, but not as formal as they talk about. Its never been formal for generation, its always out-law. Now do I experienced this type of challenge , I may say "Yes" and guess what I dont kill anyone, but I did bit the heck of a lot of people. So Stick fighting Tournament still exist in out Province again "NO_Padded". My Dad experienced this, my brother, not to mentioned my Grandfather survived a real "Bolo Death Match" Challenge on his time, killed 76 Japanese with his Bolo, and killed 13 American too. This is not icludes what he killed using his Gun during World War II.. Most of the deth match, has no particular weapon used but majority is knife and Bolo (Long Bladed weapon).. This is tradition is is been with us, long before?the Filipino learn how make a Bladed Weapons. Just my two cent.. Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Message: 1 Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 16:21:35 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] full contact training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hell yeah Jason! I remember those days and I am still working on promoting this very issue since we trained together back in NC. -Daniel Arola jason couture wrote: I feel full contact training is a very important part of a self defense system. If you truly want to see what works, what's crap and what you are capable of pulling off at your body size and strength, full contact/real contact needs to be addressed. Some students may be more in love with the movie version of self defense or just want to feel they are a bad ass because they go to classes a few days a week. I say to this.... "to each his own". The trick is finding people capable of delivering the realistic pain and knowing where the danger limit is. Only stupid, self serving training partners cross that line. ________________________________________________________________________ More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! - http://webmail.aol.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Full Contact To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 07:49:59 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > ... Full contact is important in the quest for truth. > Safety trumps all things. It is possible to practice > full contact safely. After all......I'm still alive > and even have all my pieces and parts. Amen... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:17:06 -0500 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Nick Hughes Subject: [Eskrima] scam Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Has anyone heard anything about the scam regarding Remy Presas and the moving of his body to another location? Apparently there's an email going around requesting donations and it is bogus. They, the family, are asking for the word to be spread about said scam but I didn't want to post anymore if a) it's not an issue on this user group, or if everyone already knows it's bs. Nick "We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence upon those who would harm us..." George Orwell -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: 12/16/2007 11:36 --__--__-- Message: 6 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] scam To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 12:45:14 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Has anyone heard anything about the scam regarding Remy Presas and > the moving of his body to another location? Apparently there's an > email going around requesting donations and it is bogus. Where was Remy laid to rest? Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Peter Gow To: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 00:54:22 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] Full Contact Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Tarn Shadowhawk, I read your reply to Daniel. Very Interesting. It is amazing how many people train in Dojos etc and fail to realise that the footpath is made of concrete. I used to train with David Foggie who would not hesitate to hit you in training with control(what ever that is - different to different people) of course, and as you were falling towards the CONCRETE pavement he would hit you again to upset your timing making it extremely difficult to break fall.Have you ever been picked up by someone 7 inches taller than you weighing more than 40 pounds more than you and thrown to the concrete pavement - This is reality based training as it is what does and can happen in real life. I can tell you there were many times after training that I went home and my forearms were purple. Whilst it is good for a 110 pound person to be able to hit someone in the throat a fact of life is that if you don't put the 200 pound guy down in that one shot then you will really piss them off big time. Crushing the throat with a punch mmm perhaps if I drop my chinny chin chin .......mmmm Also according to most police reports attacks on females are usually from behind, where the attacker pushes the female to the ground and takes control of the situation. DON'T GET ME WRONG IT IS GOOD TO TRAIN FEMALES TO PROTECT THEMSELVES. BUT do you allow your females to get hit in the stomach by 80% of a guys force mmm ... Also 80% of the person's force to the legs...Oh well that's why we have public liability insurance. What is a WIMP - Weak(ly) Interactive Molecular Particle. Well that's my stir of the pot. PG. When the French man raises his sword, Even the most poite of people become impolite. >Message: 3 Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:17:39 -0800 (PST) From: Tarn Shadowhawk Subject: Re: [Eskrima] full contact training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Daniel! Glad to find you in here as well as your group. Now I am going to ask you guys a question. Jason you can answer too. What do you consider full contact training? To me it means going thru the moves as fast and acurately as possible, but stopping just short of injury. For example, in my school I have the hardest time getting the guys to really make it hard for the girls to, say, get away from a wrist grab. I have to tell them not to let go unless the girl actually breaks the hold. Also that you must throw a punch as fast as possible but you don't have to actually make contact. Lets face it, if a much larger and stronger opponant hits you in the face just right that is going to be it for you. If you have nose strengthening techniques let me know cause mine will just break. Now full contact to me has nothing to do with trading punches which is just dumb. It means doing the best technique to the most vital area you can reach. If a 110 pound girl hits a 200 pound man in the throat correctly he is going to stop breathing. I teach my students that interupting the breathing process is the best way to stop an attack. So throat, the solar plexus, then groin, and you have paralized the nervous system that they have to at least pass out to breath again. And that is if you didn't crush the throat with the first punch. I make them all practice until they can be sure of the focus and power of their strikes. Lets face it. We are NOT going to be attacked by an unarmed opponant that is not bigger and stronger than us. No matter how big we are, unless said individual has some other advantage we are not aware of. If you want to practice trading shots with someone find a guy that has at least 40 pounds on you and have him bring a friend. That is more likely what is going to happen in this day and age anyway. We do have a conditioning exercise that will go a long way in allowing you to become able to not only take a great shot but give one too. It is called "kotikitae". It involves a partner alternating with you in striking: legs,inside and outside. Arms, inside and outside, and palm heal to face, mastoid process, check, and chin. It all starts out mildly and progresses to 80% of full stike ability. The head is an exception cause that would knock out most people. The point is that done correctly it conditions you to take a punch and give one SAFELY. There are no wimps in my school,man or woman. They all have to do this. The girls do get a little vicious tho.lol Sorry to be so long winded. Let me know what you think. _________________________________________________________________ Overpaid or Underpaid? 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