Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 02:48:22 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #20 - 4 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: New insight in history of FMA (Bo Kaner) 2. Re: World Of Martial Arts (Jon Broster) 3. Who to train (Argyll -) 4. Re: dont teach the saudis (maurice gatdula) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:38:36 -0800 (PST) From: Bo Kaner To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: New insight in history of FMA Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net to: all EDers, attn: red gonzales Greetings! I have come across an article in this website http://www.freewebs.com/sundangan/fmatimeline.htm All the items/subject being written about has no documentary evidence. No footnotes to make it authentic. And in the previous discussion here i think it was red gonzales who refuted that the place Kalibo is not a gathering of warriors and the root word is not Kali but ka. Red, I have the impression that the writer is adding fantasy to history. A deception of some kind? What can you say about the article, Red? Bo --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 02:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: Jon Broster Subject: Re: [Eskrima] World Of Martial Arts To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I think this is quite strange, given that most of the invited instructors are not from SEAsian arts, but all the listed instructors are classed as GURU (not sensei or sifu). So, to answer Ray's question, no I was not promoted to guru/instructor level by a website, that is just the term they use for their full-access users. It just so happens that all the full-access users are quality practitioners. Currently, the site is like a who's who of British martial arts, plus they have people like Dillman on board. Well worth checking out is Steve Benitez' Buaya (crocodile) instructional clip. Jon eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net wrote: Message: 11 Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 15:51:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] World Of Martial Arts To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "guru" / "guro" ... same same ... just an etymological difference. I assume, though, that what is actually meant in this case is in the sense of "computer guru" - i.e.: a "guru" level user of the site. At least I hope that's what it means. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: iPat To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:33:19 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] World Of Martial Arts gurU Ray! On Jan 24, 2008 4:27 PM, Ray wrote: > ?!? A website promoted you to guro level? --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "Argyll -" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 20:44:54 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Who to train Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Hironaka To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:08:56 PM Subject: [Eskrima] journey to Jordan I hope this is not taken the wrong way but....What, if anything are you doing to make sure your training does not get to the wrong people? Joe Hironaka _______________________________________________ Terrorists having NBC weapons (nuclear biological chemical) I worry about, their being trained stick or knife fighters . . . not so much. IMHO I think we flatter ourselves if you think that bad guys need our help to become proficient at what they do. Best regards, Argyll -- _______________________________________________ Surf the Web in a faster, safer and easier way: Download Opera 9 at http://www.opera.com Powered by Outblaze --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:23:21 -0800 (PST) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: dont teach the saudis Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "I am concerned for several reasons. Yes, they are allies. However as everybody knows, 19 of the 9/11 highjackers were from Saudi. Several of them trained at a martial arts school in Florida. I work in a field where it is possible for me or a coworker to encounter such a person. The knife techniques of Filipino martial arts in the wrong hands is a scary thought. I believe the utmost oversight is called for." i want to say something racist about this, statement, that watch out if you teach the saudis. the attacker of the oklahoma bombing is a white christian guy, who was a member of the US Army. using the "dont teach the saudis" idea, dont teach a white man, dont teach a christian, dont teach a military man, oh, he was a man right, dont teach men. that is an ignorant way of selection. how about padilla, he is a mexican, so we shouldnt teach a mexican either right? no wait, he is a US citizen, so again, dont teach an american. the DC sniper, he was military too right? no, he is american, and he is black, so lets dont teach a black american who was military. and they are muslim so dont teach a muslim. forget that some of this art, came to you from a muslim. the unabomber, he is american, he was a white man, and he hated america. skin heads out here in california, they hate the US government, which oppressed the white man. so who is the real enemy? the enemy of the FMA is commericalism. teach as many people as you can, with no commitment from them, for a short amount of time, teach them through your videos, your seminars when your in a country for three days and boom...your out to the next state or kenpo school. who cares the background of these guys, or even if they can fight good enough to represent your style, or if they can fight good enough to save his family members or his own behind. some of us (not me) have students who are certified as teachers and cant even fight his way in a paper bag, and i would say that you know it, but the truth is, you really dont know, because the method of teaching the FMA is very unpersonal, and the real grandmaster around here, is the man named "dollar bill". dont worry about if the guy you teach is going to kill a bouncer in the club, or hijack a plane or stab a group of teenagers after you have beat them up. yes, we all regret it if our student hurts another person with the skills we teach him. BUT the real problem is, you gave up the most dangerous of your style and you dont know this guy. there is no commitment from the student because there is no commitment from the teacher. he is making bucks and building websites to sell certifications. students spend less than 200 hours a year with you, you cannot get to know them well enough as a martial student to train them and get to know them well. so what will you do? run "proverify"? check finger prints? call his old teachers? the teacher-student relationship have become a business-customer relationship. this is the reason why your art gets to the wrong hands. but a student can always turn bad, but the way is being taught, anyone can get this art. if you look at a mans religion or his country, that sir, are a racist. tell you want, dont go to the middle east, go to europe. they have lots of young, christian, white bald headed young men, who will make very strong students for your FMA. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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