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(Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 17:47:02 -0800 From: Database Editor Organization: FMA Database To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] FMA database working again Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Some of you may have noticed that the FMA Database of Instructors was having some difficulty - thanks to those who pointed it out to me. It has been repaired and should be working properly again. http://www.FMAdatabase.com NOTE: Everyone who has a listing there is encouraged to regularly check their entry and update if needed. It is also appreciated if you remove duplicate entries. If you do not have your password or you don't own your entry (someone set it up for you), just ask to have it reset. -- Loki Jorgenson Database Editor loki@maelstromCore.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:23:21 -0500 From: loki To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: What criteria for who to teach? (jay de leon) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 09:58:43 -0800 (PST) > From: jay de leon > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] What criteria for who to teach? > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > as bram frank suggested, trust your judgment. as i mentioned, > earlier, use your common sense, prudence and vigilance. and > as mr. gatdula suggested, the more of a personal relationship > you have with your student, the sharper your judgment gets. > > jay de leon > www.tipunan.com > > > loki wrote: > What is the big deal? If you don't like or trust someone don't teach them. > > If you can't read a students personality/intent you have no business > teaching people till you can. > Reading a person or situation is the first thing you should teach, if > you can't maybe you shouldn't teach. > > No sense teaching "how to kill" if you can't teach who to kill. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > I understand the points you mentioned, Mr. Frank mentioned and Mr. Gatdula mentioned. I even agree with most of them. My point being this, are bad people trying to learn FMA really that much of a problem? The bad guys certainly know as much or more than most of us when it comes to hurting people. Are we talking about offensive knife skills? The pointy end goes into the other guy, repeat till he stops twitching. There are countless inmates and ex-inmates all over the world that have the knowledge and most notable the real life experience of using a blade on someone else. They have even been known to study anatomy books to learn the best targets. I'd also wager most FMA instructors have never and will never be in a fight with blades of any type, and as such are merely dealing with martial theory. The bad people do not have time for theories. They need to do their business as fast and effortlessly as they can. And the best way to learn that is from someone who has really done it. And last time I checked the really evil people in the world seem to favor the gun and the bomb, especially the bomb. That is also not theory but fact. Now do I advocate teaching people you know will do harm to their fellow man? Nope not a chance. What I do advocate is people being honest about what they really know and how it stacks up to the bad guys knowledge and abilities. Anything else seems to me to be elitist chest beating about how deadly we all are. --__--__-- Message: 3 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:49:47 EST Subject: Re: [Eskrima] my rebuttal to don't teach the saudis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Joe, I rarely read any of these all the way through. I must share you are well presented and appreciate the time you took to really spread some light that hopefully people will be able to read/understand clearly. (whoever initiated this and has strong objections). The only thing I would add is, sadly.. though assessments should be mandatory in teaching MA especially the FMA all the assessing in the world will still not prepare you for those who just take a left or even worse a south. I have seen levels of loyalty (friendships etc) betrayed from well respected/character individuals in the martial arts; so there is even a slice of those who were once on the light/jedi to the dark side/sith... lol. thought I'd use movie metaphor for a smile. Also, your statement below... You can hide your head in the sand if you want to. I do not have that luxury. There are men out there who are sworn to convert or kill the nonbelievers. My job is to combat it. If you want to understand where I am coming from you should read Grossman's essay On wolves and Sheepdogs. is EXACTLY MY ATTITUDE when it comes down to the fine threshing and all the pretty words are done. (we will never win any battle that we dont know or understand WHO the enemy is, that should weed out alot of profiling/racist/bigot issues) Please let me know where this essay from Grossman is. Best to all. Heather Heather MonDee Lead Instructor CCA & Denver-Metro AMA Denver Colorado USA _www.denverama.com_ (http://www.denverama.com/) 303.758.9383 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 --__--__-- Message: 4 From: DenverAMA@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:52:30 EST Subject: Re: [Eskrima] my rebuttal to don't teach the saudis To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Also Joe, I am glad there are people like you in our law enforcement agencies; military martial arts etc. (that you are in le and ma is even better) Battle on. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:34:10 -0500 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Re: What criteria for who to teach? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Would you teach martial arts to the real-life Kid described below? "Kid X was born in the notorious Brownsville section of Brooklyn. His early childhood was marked by strife and hunger, forcing his mother, to provide for her family following the departure of their father, when Kid X was two years old. Kid X's reputation as a youth who would beat up anyone who ridiculed his high-pitched, lisping voice was fueled by constant abuse by older children on the streets of Brownsville. Expelled from junior high school for fighting, Kid X passed through juvenile detention centers, yet remained in trouble with the state for petty crime and violence. He made his way through the tough streets of New York by mugging and purse-snatching; by the time he was 13, he had been arrested 38 times. He eventually ended up at the Tryon School for Boys in Upstate New York." --__--__-- Message: 6 From: "William C. Prentice" To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] my rebuttal to don't teach the saudis Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 19:32:47 -0800 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The Grossman essay: http://www.killology.com/sheep_dog.htm -----Original Message----- From: DenverAMA@aol.com [mailto:DenverAMA@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 6:50 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] my rebuttal to don't teach the saudis Joe, I rarely read any of these all the way through. I must share you are well presented and appreciate the time you took to really spread some light that hopefully people will be able to read/understand clearly. (whoever initiated this and has strong objections). The only thing I would add is, sadly.. though assessments should be mandatory in teaching MA especially the FMA all the assessing in the world will still not prepare you for those who just take a left or even worse a south. I have seen levels of loyalty (friendships etc) betrayed from well respected/character individuals in the martial arts; so there is even a slice of those who were once on the light/jedi to the dark side/sith... lol. thought I'd use movie metaphor for a smile. Also, your statement below... You can hide your head in the sand if you want to. I do not have that luxury. There are men out there who are sworn to convert or kill the nonbelievers. My job is to combat it. If you want to understand where I am coming from you should read Grossman's essay On wolves and Sheepdogs. is EXACTLY MY ATTITUDE when it comes down to the fine threshing and all the pretty words are done. (we will never win any battle that we dont know or understand WHO the enemy is, that should weed out alot of profiling/racist/bigot issues) Please let me know where this essay from Grossman is. Best to all. Heather Heather MonDee Lead Instructor CCA & Denver-Metro AMA Denver Colorado USA _www.denverama.com_ (http://www.denverama.com/) 303.758.9383 **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 7 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: What criteria for who to teach? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:08:40 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Would you teach martial arts to the real-life Kid described below? Mike Tyson? Probably not. 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