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Yahoo mail problems (Ray) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: "Gints Klimanis" To: Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 14:47:29 -0800 Subject: [Eskrima] Re: Absorb the entire art Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net ----- Original Message ----- > Message: 8 > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:06:43 -0800 (PST) > From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) > Subject: [Eskrima] Absorb the entire art > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > >> ... Another was >> the directive "Absorb what is useful, reject what is not, and add what is >> specifically your own." After 40 years, I find that he is more and more >> right. > > Of course the obvious fallacy with this approach has always been that > portions of the art are then lost over time. Many portions of the "art" are developed in the dojo and rarely work outside of dojo conditions (cooperative partners, 1/4 speed, 1/4 power, foreknowledge of the next move, etc.) and should be discarded. On the contrary, it is difficult to know what to reject especially with little experience with the material. As I age, I realize that I do not have the experience to know what really works and what doesn't, especially in real combat. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: mpc60 Subject: RE: [Eskrima] How does you art translate to Empty Hands Question? Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 18:01:08 -0500 To: Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hey Ramone, I believe this is true. For instnace i've done hubud drills with and without a practice blade. If you are familiar with hubud imagine the hubud drill that starts with your opponent attacking the top of your head with a bottom fist strike. Now put a knike in your attacking hand while holding it in the Ice pick grip and do the same drill. It's almost the same thing. I say almost because you have to compensate for the length of the blade but you get the picture. The movements between Stick, knife and empty hand are, for the most part the same, you may have to compensate for the range of the weapon you are using though. Karl Swass -----Original Message----- From: Ramon Espinosa Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 3:13 PM To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] How does you art translate to Empty Hands Question? *"I have wondered how many other FMA styles are like us."* I study Kombatan and in our training it's taught the same, sticks are the extension of our hands. I have found my hands are much faster as well after swinging the sticks. Striking and blocking with empty hands has a lot of correlation to the stick strikes and blocking. I would assume that most FMA is like this, but that's just my assumption. --Ramon On 2/6/08, Lawrence, Marc J. wrote: > > Quote: > >From: "DeLeon, Oliver" > >How effective is Serrada Eskrima? How does it compare to other forms of > Eskrima? > >I have been a Serrada Eskrima for about 1 1/2 years now and I find the > art fairly effective when apply to >regular street fighting. The core > of the system is the stick fighting which translates to empty hand >but, > what I would like to know is how does it compare to the other forms of > >eskrima. Any thoughts??? > > I am not sure about others but I know that my style- PAKAMUT translates > very well to Empty Hands. Our Grand Master always stresses the concept > that the stick is just an extension of the hand/arm. We practice empty > hands verses empty hands, empty hands verse weapon, and empty hands > verses stick. My 12 year old son last summer decided to apply his empty > hands against another art in tournament. So he fought in a local > tournament-Kung Fu, in the Jr Black belt division. He had four fighters > and he beat all of them in back to back matches. They only gave him a 2 > minute rest between. Because of his stick fighting conditioning he beat > them. I have wondered how many other FMA styles are like us. > > Guro Marc > PAKAMUT-Torrance > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Steve Klement To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] As the blade stabs... Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:44:11 -0500 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net That's good stuff to use. At my school we use Baby Oil (as Suro Mike Inay did). The Martial Art with an "edge"... -- Tagaturo Klement www.inayan.com www.inayan.com/forums Inayan School of Eskrima > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] As the blade stabs... > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:08:13 -0800 (PST) > From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) > > >> Sometimes to simulate blood I have used old motor oil to grease knife >> handles. I wouldn't do this to your favorite blades however because >> it >> stains the handle rather badly. > > Use KY Jelly... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 22:09:00 -0800 (PST) From: adam babb Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Re: Ambush/Stealth Attacks To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net what school have you been studying. what do think a stike to the sub sternal noch is?(with a blade or stick)using a fether to tckle his throat evrything you learn in fma eather enhances teaches a new agle on what the goverment teches adam ps SEMPER FI !! --- bgdebuque wrote: > I had in front of me right now a copy of FM 21-150, > Hand-to-Hand Combat, > published by the Department of the Army in June 1954 > (probably way before > most of us who hang out in this forum were born). > > To give you an example of the material it contains, > Par. 45.b, Chapter 4, > says: > > "You can attact the throat with either a thrust or a > slash. The thrust is > the most effective if the knife is driven into the > base of the throat just > below the Adam's apple (fig. 37). This type of blow > cuts the jugular vein > and results in instant death. A slash to either > side of the neck cuts the > carotid artery, which carries the blood to the > brain. Your opponent will > die from loss of blood within a few seconds." > The abovementioned Figure 37 shows a photograph of > a fully uniformed > soldier thrusting a knife right below the Adam's > Apple of a half-naked > unarmed soldier. > > This variety of martial arts material presentation, > therefore, is not really > a recent "Internet" phenomenon. It has been there > even before most of us > were born. The martial artists mentioned below were > probably just echoing > the martial arts instruction they have received > during their formative years > in the martial arts. > > Was the US Army trying to impress 14-year olds when > they published this > material? I doubt it. > > They were trying to turn 18-year olds into effective > warriors.... > > It might be a good idea, therefore, to use as a "Who > to Teach?" moral > benchmark for the FMA the same moral criteria the > military establishment > uses in selecting its warriors. After all, the > range of stuff they teach is > much, much deadlier than what the FMA can offer... > > > > > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 12:17:41 +0100 (GMT+01:00) > > From: "billlowery@tinyonline.co.uk" > > > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > Subject: [Eskrima] Ambush/stealth attacks > > Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > > > > >Just yesterday I saw a clip posted by an > instructor of a reputable > > system wherein he showed great skill in killing > combinations on an > > unarmed man with the knife. < > > > > > > > A couple of years later I was talking to one of > the instructors who > > had not gone. He had been "converted" to the sysem > due to the fact that > > it was an "assassins" art. The art was based > around stealth draws and > > attacks. The instructor had that shiny eyed look > of someone who had > > seen the light. > > > > The overall impression I was left with was the > marketing had been > > designed to appeal to 14 year old boys, who wear > combat pants and play > > video games! Apprarently the first hour of the > most recent seminar had > > been given over to explaining why the full rig (to > carry ALL of the > > training knives) should be bought rather than > acquiring it piecemeal. > > > > I have no wish to assassinate anyone. I am > interested, firstly, in > > being able to protect myself against a knife > wielding attacker, not > > earn some money on the side taking out for the guy > with the big bucks ;- > > ) > > > > So to answer one of your questions; why is he > putting the clip on > > the internet? It seems to me to simply impress the > kids. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 21:42:16 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] As the blade stabs... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net and why, praytell, do you have KY Jelly in your medicine cabinet, Ray? Ray wrote: > Sometimes to simulate blood I have used old motor oil to grease knife > handles. I wouldn't do this to your favorite blades however because it > stains the handle rather badly. Use KY Jelly... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:22:18 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Murphy Subject: Re: [Eskrima] As the blade stabs... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Baby oil, that is a new one I will have to try that one ----- Original Message ---- From: Steve Klement To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 8:44:11 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] As the blade stabs... That's good stuff to use. At my school we use Baby Oil (as Suro Mike Inay did). The Martial Art with an "edge"... -- Tagaturo Klement www.inayan.com www.inayan.com/forums Inayan School of Eskrima > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] As the blade stabs... > Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 12:08:13 -0800 (PST) > From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) > > >> Sometimes to simulate blood I have used old motor oil to grease knife >> handles. I wouldn't do this to your favorite blades however because >> it >> stains the handle rather badly. > > Use KY Jelly... > > Ray Terry > rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 05:18:00 -0800 (PST) From: Tyler Murphy Subject: Re: [Eskrima] As the blade stabs... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net doesn't feel as authentic, tried it a few times. ----- Original Message ---- From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2008 3:08:13 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] As the blade stabs... > Sometimes to simulate blood I have used old motor oil to grease knife > handles. I wouldn't do this to your favorite blades however because it > stains the handle rather badly. Use KY Jelly... Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --__--__-- Message: 8 Subject: Re: [Eskrima] As the blade stabs... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 06:35:53 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > and why, praytell, do you have KY Jelly in your > medicine cabinet, Ray? That isn't where I keep it. :) But it does work very well. No stains. Cleans up with only water. Overall the best product for producing the required effect. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- Message: 9 From: Ste Ormerod To: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:13:13 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] When the blade stabs Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Which brings us to the question: How many of you out there have triedpracticing your FMA fighting skills under rainy conditions? It might be agood idea specially if you are living in a tropical area like thePhilippines where there is rainfall about 50% of the year..." Or the UK, where it rains approximately 99% of the time.... _________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Free games, great prizes - get gaming at Gamesbox. http://www.searchgamesbox.com --__--__-- Message: 10 From: Young Forest To: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 15:22:09 +0000 Subject: [Eskrima] training in the rain/environmental training Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > From: bgdebuque > Which brings us to the question: How many of you out there have tried > practicing your FMA fighting skills under rainy conditions? It might be a > good idea specially if you are living in a tropical area like the > Philippines where there is rainfall about 50% of the year... All the time. In addition to my indoor space, I've got a big paved training yard which we use just as soon as it's warm enough. Rain isn't too big a problem, except for the increased possibility of slipping. It really freaks out prospective students though - must have been cats in a former life. Badger Jones Siling Labuyo Arnis www.youngforest.ca _________________________________________________________________ --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 08:44:51 -0800 (PST) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] training in the rain/environmental training To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net yo badger: you forgot to mention your polar bear training techniques-- eskrima in the snow. regards, jay de leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com Young Forest wrote: > From: bgdebuque > Which brings us to the question: How many of you out there have tried > practicing your FMA fighting skills under rainy conditions? It might be a > good idea specially if you are living in a tropical area like the > Philippines where there is rainfall about 50% of the year... All the time. In addition to my indoor space, I've got a big paved training yard which we use just as soon as it's warm enough. Rain isn't too big a problem, except for the increased possibility of slipping. It really freaks out prospective students though - must have been cats in a former life. Badger Jones Siling Labuyo Arnis www.youngforest.ca _________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 12 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net (Eskrima) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 09:40:31 -0800 (PST) From: rterry@idiom.com (Ray) Subject: [Eskrima] Yahoo mail problems Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Fyi... there seems to be a problem with Yahoo mail that recently developed (within the last week or so). When list members using Yahoo mail quote portions of a reply email they are getting formatted as follows; > and > I > am > not > sure > why > this > is > occurring. The problem seems unrelated to the Mailman list software as emails from Yahoo mail users sent directly to me demonstrate the same formatting issues. Just a heads-up. Ray Terry rterry@idiom.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest