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Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource The Internet's premier discussion forum devoted to Filipino Martial Arts. 2500 members. Provided in memory of Mangisursuro Michael G. Inay (1944-2000). See the Filipino Martial Arts (FMA) FAQ and the online search engine for back issues of the Eskrima/FMA digest at http://MartialArtsResource.com Mabuhay ang eskrima! Today's Topics: 1. Re: Live blade (Ray) 2. Re: Filipino language/s (ILDEFONSO ODAL) 3. Re: Live blade (Eagle556@aol.com) --__--__-- Message: 1 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Live blade Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:02:51 -0800 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Feb 29, 2008, at 7:37 AM, Guru Mike Casto wrote: > > There's actually another type that I'm familiar with but haven't > personally done. Some folks I know have set up simple machines > (i.e.: using rope, stick, machetes) to build a sort of sparring > dummy (I believe the Inayan [and possibly Serrada] guys refer to it > as de Cuerdas but I'm sure someone can clarify my terminology if I'm > mistaken). Anyway, they drill a hole through the middle of a stick > and run the rope through it so the stick will hang horizontal but be > free to move. Then they attach machetes to the ends of the stick. > Then they start swinging at it ... and dealing with the resultant > edged chaos. > > Having not done this one personally, I'm not sure where this would > fit in the progression. It seems like it might be even more > dangerous than unchoreographed flow sparring with a live partner > because a live partner might be able to pull his blade or avoid > cutting if there's a mistake. But, at the same time, it seems like > it might be less dangerous because you'd have a fair amount of > control over the speed at which your "partner" swings. Not sure - > maybe some input from the guys on the list who have done this would > provide some insight about where it might go in that progression. The Dequerdas stick is an Inayan training method. KA-BARs can be added to each end of the stick, but that does slow down the movement of the stick a lot. So IMHO better training is actually accomplished without anything attached to the ends of the stick. Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 09:26:14 -0800 (PST) From: ILDEFONSO ODAL Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Filipino language/s To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Master Jay, Here's a few: Anting-anting: Amulet or charm of supernatural power or "agimat" Banda y banda: Side to side Pai-pai: While holding two sticks, striking inward, alternately Salit-salit: Replacement stepping Sapin-sapin: Layer and layers of PI kakanin (yumyum) Halo-halo: lecheplan, ube, sweet mongo beans, langka(jackfruit), banana at atbp. w/milk, crush ice sometimes icecream (uummmm super yumyum) and a most commom excuse not to spend or give money: WALANG-WALA (broke ako).....:-) Jun FFALV www.filipinofightingartsintl.com www.tipunan.com www.imafp.com http://martialartsfriends.com/icodale7 http://communitylink.reviewjournal.com/lvrj/shotokankarate Anting-anting =Amulet or charm of supernatural power Banda y banda = Sideto side Pai-Pai = Whileholding two sticks, striking inward, alternately Salit-salit =Replacement stepping ----- Original Message ---- From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 2:26:33 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Filipino language/s Tagalog words or phrases are usually repeated for the following reasons: (1) for emphasis. example: punong-puno (really full), malaking malaki (really big). the single or root words can stand alone--puno is full and malaki is big. (2) a word repeated followed by the suffix -an means artificial or pretend. example : bahay-bahayan (pretending to play house), datu-datuhan (pretending to be a datu). (3) to denote two things. example: dulo-dulo (literally, point-point, so two points,in tagalog). my guro calls it dos puntas (two points, spanish converted to tagalog usage). it might even be more than two things. example: turo-turo (literally, point-point with your finger). a turo-turo is a restaurant similar to a buffet restaurant where you point to your food choices--which means that you will probably point at least twice, maybe even more. There are some tagalog words that are repeated, but the root word does not mean anything by itself. example - paru-paro (butterfly), guni-guni (imagination), tingting (type of broom), etc. Any other contributions? Jay de Leon www.filipinomartialartsmuseum.com 2@msfencing.org wrote: I am happy to be back after a long absence which involved illness, computer crash, and a change of e-mail address. I have a question about the repetition of words in the Filipino language/s, such as the phrase, "Dulo-Dulo." Does this mean two Dulos or a fight in which Dulo vs. Dulo, or something else? Thanks. Blessings, Rez Johnson Headmaster: Mississippi Academy of Arms Teaching Fencing in Central Mississippi since 1980 _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --__--__-- Message: 3 From: Eagle556@aol.com Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 13:59:23 EST Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Live blade To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net There are a number of variations of live blade training that I was exposed to in Mike Inay's class and that I have passed on to various individuals over the years. At first, in Mike's class we started doing machete against rattan. As with most live blade training this tends to correct the student's incorrect positioning faster than most other methods. One of the problems with this particular method is that the machete would make quick work of the rattan. So then we got some dowel rods and wrapped them with a couple of layers of duct tape. They lasted a little longer than the rattan but not much. Finally we said the heck with it and simply went to a few other variations. Machete vs. machete, although one of my favorites, it does create sparks to deal with. However machete vs. machete did tend to teach the student that other realities occur when it is blade vs blade and one of those realities is that one of the blades will often times imbed itself into the edge of the other blade and you have to develop the skill to disengage and recover quickly enough to defend yourself. Mike was very good at this and I learned to deal with it by often "playing" with him outside of class. We also did a few other variations using an aluminum pipe vs machete. This tended to cut down on the sparks. Lock and block was often done with machete and kabar vs aluminum pipe. Flow sparring was done with machete vs machete and machete vs aluminum pipe. However my greatest joy was when Mike wanted to do espada y daga with machetes and kabars. We did this often outside of class, working on counters, doing lock and block or simply flow sparring, each armed with a machete and kabar. The worst "accident" I ever saw in Mike's class in regard to blade training was funny enough an individual who was doing Karenza. One of the students kept asking Mike if he could do Karenza with Mike's Kris. Mike, as he said later, against his better judgment, finally relented. The student starts to perform and pretty soon many of us standing around have noticed that there seems to be blood flying around the student. Mike tells the student to stop and sure enough upon inspection the student has managed to cut the palm of his live hand rather deeply. We never did figure out if it was during the actual Karenza that the student cut his hand or if the student had, upon drawing the Kris from its wooden scabbard, wrapped his live hand around the scabbard. Most individuals who have drawn a blade from a wooden scabbard knows that the blade will often times punch through the sides of the wood and you have to be careful when drawing the blade. Short blade work in the early days was done most often with the kabars or other similar knives. As time progressed so did the training. Emphasis in the later years was centered on blades the size of the folders that most people carry. When I am teaching I normally will carry during class a folder that has a tendency to be deployed against students at the most inopportune time. Guro Mike Casto asked about the different De Cuerdas versions that some of us have built or experienced. One of these is truly my favorite to play with. Fun, fun, fun. Mike had a number of variations, to include bladed, but a lot of these are described by various authors in the upcoming FMAD special on Mike Inay so I don't want to spoil the articles. In closing I cannot really envision any FMA that does not incorporate live blade training at some point. But then again Mike did instill in me many concepts and practices that would not go over well in most commercial schools. 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