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(ILDEFONSO ODAL) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 17:46:44 -0700 (PDT) From: RJ Garcia Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Have any of you guys heard of a certain GM Angel Blancia? If this Surgical Strike Dr. Bannon guy learned from everybody, then this Blancia guy taught everybody. hehe. ----- Original Message ---- From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:44:34 Subject: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo http://www.surgical-strike.citymax.com/martial_arts_lineage.html i notice on his lineage he has GM angel cabales under his "kimchi do kung fu" or something. very confusing. maybe we can call it "mc skrima"? lol _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:42:53 -0400 From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net The "Master's" MA resume may have been hyped-up a bit for for obvious marketing purposes, but even if only 50% of the government-related work he claimed to have done is true, sometime in his life, he had really "walked the walk"... And in that line of work, it is very hard to factually put your accomplishments in your resume... =[:->] >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:06:42 +0000 (UTC) >From: Andrew Maddox >To: Eskrima Digest >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, maurice gatdula wrote: > http://www.surgical-strike.citymax.com/martial_arts_lineage.html > > i notice on his lineage he has GM angel cabales under his "kimchi do > kung fu" or something. very confusing. > >Oh, man, to use IM shorthand, I am truly rolling on the damned floor >laughing my fscking ASS off - this guys is SERIOUS? BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!! >Oops. That wasn't shorthand. Or nice. Oh, well, anybody who claims to >teach "Dim Mak Gung Fu" and lists "Sp. Gov. & Covert Black Arts" as one >of, what, twelve completely different families of MA (if I'm interpreting >that chart right) just plain *deserves* public(ish) ridicule. >Thank you, Sir Gatdula, for giving me a GREAT laugh this morning! >Sheesh. "Kuochi Kalikar"? WTF? --__--__-- Message: 3 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:33:24 -0400 From: nephalim1@aim.com Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net hmmmm... he left out rex kwon do? -----Original Message----- From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 1:44 pm Subject: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo http://www.surgical-strike.citymax.com/martial_arts_lineage.html i notice on his lineage he has GM angel cabales under his "kimchi do kung fu" or something. very confusing. maybe we can call it "mc skrima"? lol _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:06:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Murphy Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Wow sounds like a real death merchant. ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:48:45 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net i agree with bgdebuque's post. The martial arts claims are way overblown, but if we give him the benefit of the doubt, even if only part of his day job was true, he should have seen some real life combat as a law enforcement officer or as a government operative. For that part, he deserves some respect. Jay de Leon www.filipinofightingartsintl.com bgdebuque wrote: The "Master's" MA resume may have been hyped-up a bit for for obvious marketing purposes, but even if only 50% of the government-related work he claimed to have done is true, sometime in his life, he had really "walked the walk"... And in that line of work, it is very hard to factually put your accomplishments in your resume... =[:->] >Message: 1 >Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 13:06:42 +0000 (UTC) >From: Andrew Maddox >To: Eskrima Digest >Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo >Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net >On Tue, 11 Mar 2008, maurice gatdula wrote: > http://www.surgical-strike.citymax.com/martial_arts_lineage.html > > i notice on his lineage he has GM angel cabales under his "kimchi do > kung fu" or something. very confusing. > ! Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:53:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Guru Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net That's true. But if 50% of it is hype/lies then that makes *all* of it questionable and I wouldn't be interested in training with someone who is willing to "pad" their resume that much anyway. Also, I know quite a few guys with serious backgrounds in the Spec Ops community and they tend toward minimalism not hype. And the more covert their background, generally, the less they feel any urge to discuss it openly. If they were braggarts by nature then they would never have gotten into that community, much less thrived there. One example of this is a friend I have who spent 20 years as a Delta Force operator. When asked about his background, he'll say, "Retired Master Sergeant, Army Special Forces." That's it. He won't mention Delta at all until he knows you pretty well and feels comfortable with you. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: bgdebuque To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:42:53 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo The "Master's" MA resume may have been hyped-up a bit for for obvious marketing purposes, but even if only 50% of the government-related work he claimed to have done is true, sometime in his life, he had really "walked the walk"... And in that line of work, it is very hard to factually put your accomplishments in your resume... =[:->] --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:57:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Guru Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Nope. Sorry. If he's willing to "pad" his resume that much then any respect I might have had for him is pretty much negated. Of course, that's just my take on it. I figure if he's willing to hype/lie that much in one area then he's willing to do it in all areas. I really do try not to judge people until I've met them in person - but it's pretty hard when I see a resume like that. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: jay de leon To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:48:45 PM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo i agree with bgdebuque's post. The martial arts claims are way overblown, but if we give him the benefit of the doubt, even if only part of his day job was true, he should have seen some real life combat as a law enforcement officer or as a government operative. For that part, he deserves some respect. Jay de Leon --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:39:22 -0700 From: "Ramon Espinosa" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I agree with Guro Mike, While I respect the fact that he was out there doing what he did, I can't respect someone who has to embelish for the sake of making money! If you are that good, your reputation will speak volumes. The only people that's going to impress are the people who are not in that field, who don't know any better anyways. I'll respect the position, but not the man. On 3/14/08, Guru Mike Casto wrote: > > That's true. But if 50% of it is hype/lies then that makes *all* of it > questionable and I wouldn't be interested in training with someone who is > willing to "pad" their resume that much anyway. > > Also, I know quite a few guys with serious backgrounds in the Spec Ops > community and they tend toward minimalism not hype. And the more covert > their background, generally, the less they feel any urge to discuss it > openly. If they were braggarts by nature then they would never have gotten > into that community, much less thrived there. One example of this is a > friend I have who spent 20 years as a Delta Force operator. When asked about > his background, he'll say, "Retired Master Sergeant, Army Special Forces." > That's it. He won't mention Delta at all until he knows you pretty well and > feels comfortable with you. > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: bgdebuque > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:42:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo > > The "Master's" MA resume may have been hyped-up a bit for for obvious > marketing purposes, but even if only 50% of the government-related work he > claimed to have done is true, sometime in his life, he had really "walked > the walk"... > > And in that line of work, it is very hard to factually put your > accomplishments in your resume... =[:->] > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 9 From: "jorge penafiel" To: Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:38:47 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Speaking of!! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net OK,,,OK,,,Maurice and Andrew, am with you on the floor rolling and bawling from your witty notes regards the MA site on this current ED thread. In the beginning , I too was in awe with the info then later got bewildered with all the MA listed. Really, at first glance one would be so impressed but down further you'll just wonder and say 'yeap this is ugh enough already' !!. Undoubtedly an exceptional MA place by all regards but to be expected will also be a brunt for some comedic lines and inuendos. Oh well - we need some laughs occassionally specially with this gas prices we're having. Whatever!! Come to think about it, ,are we really up against some super bad guys out there today that we need all of these MA learning?? If so, one art not listed in the lineage part is the deadly street pinoy martial art we secretly refer to as "Botak Chi "(translation - takbo alsa chinilas). Ask any pinoy and you'll get the answer.. For laughs only.... Jorge Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 13:11:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Guru Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Yup. And I'm pretty sure that everyone here would agree that the only real place to earn respect as a fighter is in a fight (though sparring can provide this to a certain degree) and the only real place to earn respect as a teacher is on the mat teaching. I understand the necessity for a resume - but the contents of the resume can only take me so far. If I can't back up my claims when I'm on the mat (as a teacher) or sparring or in a fight then it doesn't matter what is on my resume or even how legitimate it is. Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: Ramon Espinosa To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:39:22 AM Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo I agree with Guro Mike, While I respect the fact that he was out there doing what he did, I can't respect someone who has to embelish for the sake of making money! If you are that good, your reputation will speak volumes. The only people that's going to impress are the people who are not in that field, who don't know any better anyways. I'll respect the position, but not the man. On 3/14/08, Guru Mike Casto wrote: > > That's true. But if 50% of it is hype/lies then that makes *all* of it > questionable and I wouldn't be interested in training with someone who is > willing to "pad" their resume that much anyway. > > Also, I know quite a few guys with serious backgrounds in the Spec Ops > community and they tend toward minimalism not hype. And the more covert > their background, generally, the less they feel any urge to discuss it > openly. If they were braggarts by nature then they would never have gotten > into that community, much less thrived there. One example of this is a > friend I have who spent 20 years as a Delta Force operator. When asked about > his background, he'll say, "Retired Master Sergeant, Army Special Forces." > That's it. He won't mention Delta at all until he knows you pretty well and > feels comfortable with you. > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: bgdebuque > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:42:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Eskrima] speaking of mc dojo > > The "Master's" MA resume may have been hyped-up a bit for for obvious > marketing purposes, but even if only 50% of the government-related work he > claimed to have done is true, sometime in his life, he had really "walked > the walk"... > > And in that line of work, it is very hard to factually put your > accomplishments in your resume... =[:->] --__--__-- Message: 11 From: Kel620@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:20:47 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Stickball Bats? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Anyone ever trained with one of these bats? The 32" model looks like it would be good. http://www.barnstablebat.com/stickbats.html K. Williams **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --__--__-- Message: 12 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 15:28:25 -0700 (PDT) From: ILDEFONSO ODAL Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Speaking of!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Bro. Jorge, Ooopps 2 more is missing in the lineage... Under SGM Bonifastakbo "Kung-Tu" - kung tumakbo matulin "Botak-Chi" counter tekniks da "Sayona-Chi"- sa iyo ang tsinelas ko takbo na ako (rough english translation "here's my slipper or shoes and I'm running away) just 4 laughs too! But seriously did you see how much he charge, as much as 6k grand... Goes back in the old saying "when it's to good to be true, probably not true!" Analogy: Most rat poison is 99% rat food and 1% poison (enough to kill a lot of rat) 99% truth and 1% lie is still a lie... Jun FFALV ----- Original Message ---- From: jorge penafiel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:38:47 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Speaking of!! OK,,,OK,,,Maurice and Andrew, am with you on the floor rolling and bawling from your witty notes regards the MA site on this current ED thread. In the beginning , I too was in awe with the info then later got bewildered with all the MA listed. Really, at first glance one would be so impressed but down further you'll just wonder and say 'yeap this is ugh enough already' !!. Undoubtedly an exceptional MA place by all regards but to be expected will also be a brunt for some comedic lines and inuendos. Oh well - we need some laughs occassionally specially with this gas prices we're having. Whatever!! Come to think about it, ,are we really up against some super bad guys out there today that we need all of these MA learning?? If so, one art not listed in the lineage part is the deadly street pinoy martial art we secretly refer to as "Botak Chi "(translation - takbo alsa chinilas). Ask any pinoy and you'll get the answer.. For laughs only.... Jorge Penafiel _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. 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