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(Guru Mike Casto) --__--__-- Message: 1 To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net From: Nick Wollenberg Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:46:10 +0100 Subject: [Eskrima] Tips for safe traveling in the Philippines? Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello everybody, please excuse that my first appearance on the digest is not strictly about FMA, it's just that I think it is the perfect place to get some comments on safe traveling in the Philippines. A girlfriend of mine will be staying for a few months for language studies, proabably mostly in urban areas, and all the stories about jeepney robberies and the like I came across on the digest (and knowing the FMA to be very much alive) got me a little worried. So, if you are a local or have traveled to the Philippines and have some advice to share, I would very much appreciate it. As this is not exactly a FMA topic, please feel free to contact me off-list. I'd be happy to pass on any kind of advice that will make her stay a safer one. She's been there for me when I needed someone and I want to make sure I never have to return the favor (as cheesy as that may sound). Thanks in advance… and thanks for all the discussions going on round here, my journey in the FMA would be a much quieter one hearing only those sticks and blades whirring through the air. ;-) Greetings from Germany, Nick --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:01:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Arola Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Stickball Bats? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hell yeah those look like fun! Daniel Arola Kel620@aol.com wrote: Anyone ever trained with one of these bats? The 32" model looks like it would be good. http://www.barnstablebat.com/stickbats.html K. Williams **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net DAMAG-INC [Daniel Arola Martial Arts Group Inc.] http://www.damag-inc.zoomshare.com Houston, Texas --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:20:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "regiology4.6" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Speaking of!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net in the Tagalog Region we call it "SA-YO NA CHI" ...( Sa iYo Na TSInelas (ko) ... or "... you can take my flip-flops... they are all yours"... Mabuhay Po Tayong Lahat!!! reg jorge penafiel wrote: OK,,,OK,,,Maurice and Andrew, am with you on the floor rolling and bawling from your witty notes regards the MA site on this current ED thread. In the beginning , I too was in awe with the info then later got bewildered with all the MA listed. Really, at first glance one would be so impressed but down further you'll just wonder and say 'yeap this is ugh enough already' !!. Undoubtedly an exceptional MA place by all regards but to be expected will also be a brunt for some comedic lines and inuendos. Oh well - we need some laughs occassionally specially with this gas prices we're having. Whatever!! Come to think about it, ,are we really up against some super bad guys out there today that we need all of these MA learning?? If so, one art not listed in the lineage part is the deadly street pinoy martial art we secretly refer to as "Botak Chi "(translation - takbo alsa chinilas). Ask any pinoy and you'll get the answer.. For laughs only.... Jorge Penafiel _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Herb" To: Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Stickball Bats? Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:28:25 -0400 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I have used these and I like them for building strength and speed. They are also very good for tire workouts. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Stickball Bats? > Anyone ever trained with one of these bats? The 32" model looks like it > would be good. > > http://www.barnstablebat.com/stickbats.html > > > K. Williams > > > > **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:50:17 -0700 (PDT) From: "regiology4.6" Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Speaking of!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sorry po... i did not notice that Mr Jun already brought up the "Sa Yo Na Chi" style... but maybe we could add "HA RANG DOy" or loosely translated: "...it's a rip off dude" just for more laughs... Mabuhay Po Tayong Lahat reg ILDEFONSO ODAL wrote: Bro. Jorge, Ooopps 2 more is missing in the lineage... Under SGM Bonifastakbo "Kung-Tu" - kung tumakbo matulin "Botak-Chi" counter tekniks da "Sayona-Chi"- sa iyo ang tsinelas ko takbo na ako (rough english translation "here's my slipper or shoes and I'm running away) just 4 laughs too! But seriously did you see how much he charge, as much as 6k grand... Goes back in the old saying "when it's to good to be true, probably not true!" Analogy: Most rat poison is 99% rat food and 1% poison (enough to kill a lot of rat) 99% truth and 1% lie is still a lie... Jun FFALV ----- Original Message ---- From: jorge penafiel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:38:47 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Speaking of!! OK,,,OK,,,Maurice and Andrew, am with you on the floor rolling and bawling from your witty notes regards the MA site on this current ED thread. In the beginning , I too was in awe with the info then later got bewildered with all the MA listed. Really, at first glance one would be so impressed but down further you'll just wonder and say 'yeap this is ugh enough already' !!. Undoubtedly an exceptional MA place by all regards but to be expected will also be a brunt for some comedic lines and inuendos. Oh well - we need some laughs occassionally specially with this gas prices we're having. Whatever!! Come to think about it, ,are we really up against some super bad guys out there today that we need all of these MA learning?? If so, one art not listed in the lineage part is the deadly street pinoy martial art we secretly refer to as "Botak Chi "(translation - takbo alsa chinilas). Ask any pinoy and you'll get the answer.. For laughs only.... Jorge Penafiel _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:41:52 -0700 (PDT) From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] if it was true... Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net if it was true, hes not going to be selling video tapes. i think what we see here, the reaction to the guys resume, is a difference of culture, but also the difference of FILIPINO fma, and foreign fma. (no offense) what i mean is, in america, we are impressed with long resumes, fancy names for "fighting/self-defense" (special hand-to-hand combat tactics, etc.), complicated names for "techniques" (anti-nose assult barricading mathods, or "blockings"), you know. in the west, people are impressed with all of this. is this your combination attacks, or "templates"? can you fight, or are you "internationally recognized certified defense tactics technician..."? we like long resumes, certified by big names, an lately, we love "primitive training methods" like wrestling caribou in the mud and wearing sarong and rice paddy hats and short pants. filipinos, are simple. either you can fight, or you cant. when we see a technique, we say "that busyit not going to work against me". when the westerner sees it, he thinks "cool! i gotta learn it. good stuff!" when i meet a guy with 5 black belts, i automaticlly know, or think, this guy collects certificates and goes to serminars, example, mc dojo, and cant fight. when the westerner sees him, he is wondering if he was certified by master so and so. the first time i spar with a grappler, i wondered, can he take my punch (he couldnt). the martial artist fighter with no back bone, well, he is just the kind to lay down. so, how many times do we need to see "army special forces/SWAT/defense tactics teacher/close quarters combat/fancy names for martial arts" before we learn that this is the new mc dojo? do you know how easy it is to teach military and police? i started my first school at bolling air force base gym in washington dc. i taught military in riyadh, saudi arabia, maryland state troopers in baltimore maryland, navy seals in norfolk virginia, army troops in alexandria louisiana (forgot the name of the base, maybe alexandria?) and fort belvoir va. my resume can be long too. but you see, the tradition of the philippine martial arts, is, MY skill, and my student skills when they FIGHT. not paper or who signed it. not which masters i study with. this stuff is not important, only what can you do for me (the student), save the rambo stuff for the whores in the bar. a saying: people talk politics (rank, famous teachers, awards, seminars, argue about silly stuff like that), when they cannot prove his skill. here is another one: "you dropped something. a name." nobody give a sh!+ about all of that stuff. what can you do, that's what i want to know. i made this long post to share some filipino tradition in case some people never been exposed to this part of our martial arts. sometimes we focus too much on what sounds impressive, and forget the only impressive thing in our FMA, is fighting skill. fancy websites, long fancy names, and familiar names mean nothing, because you cant give your opponent your resume on the street. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: MaBagSikPTK@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:56:27 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Tips for safe traveling in the Philippines? To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hello Nick. Filipinos are known for being very respectful, friendly, and caring. Since your girlfriend is going to be there for a while, she needs to approach women for HELP. Just ask how to get to the location where she's going. Tell them that she wants to learn how to get around and if she can be guided. Women over in the Philippines will not approach her or help if she doesn't ask for it. They will be honored and happy to help your girlfriend. Keep in touch with them by text. SHE MUST HAVE a cell phone to use with PHILIPPINE SIM CARD. Most people use "SMART" or "GLOBE". Tell her not to wear jewelry when she's taking a jeepney ride or showing her cell phone texting or reading text messages. IT's HOW SHE CARRIES HERSELF. I am pretty sure that your girlfriend is pretty friendly. As long as you show respect, showing that you love being there, FIlipinos (men or women) will HELP you in anyway they can. I hope this will help Nick. p.s. Bring some Cadburry chocolate as token of her appreciation for people who will be helping her. GURO BOBBY **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --__--__-- Message: 8 From: MaBagSikPTK@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:52:05 EDT Subject: Re: [Eskrima] if it was true... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Back home, we were never told names for the techniques, locks that we were learning. OLD MAN says, "WE ONLY CALL OUR LOCKS, "BAD LUCK". **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) --__--__-- Message: 9 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:30:17 -0700 (PDT) From: adam babb Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Speaking of!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net well for him to have all of these he would have to have no life outside a trining hall. and be at least a hundre years old --- jorge penafiel wrote: > OK,,,OK,,,Maurice and Andrew, am with you on the > floor rolling and bawling > from your witty notes regards the MA site on this > current ED thread. In the > beginning , I too was in awe with the info then > later got bewildered with all > the MA listed. Really, at first glance one would be > so impressed but down > further you'll just wonder and say 'yeap this is > ugh enough already' !!. > Undoubtedly an exceptional MA place by all regards > but to be expected will > also be a brunt for some comedic lines and inuendos. > Oh well - we need some > laughs occassionally specially with this gas prices > we're having. > Whatever!! > Come to think about it, ,are we really up against > some super bad guys out > there today that we need all of these MA learning?? > If so, one art not listed > in the lineage part is the deadly street pinoy > martial art we secretly refer > to as "Botak Chi "(translation - takbo alsa > chinilas). Ask any pinoy and > you'll get the answer.. For laughs only.... > Jorge Penafiel > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts > Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping --__--__-- Message: 10 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:18:37 -0700 (PDT) From: jay de leon Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Speaking of!! To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net KUNG TU and SA YO NA CHI have similar philosophies but slightly different applications. In KUNG TU (Kung Tumakbo), you extend two fingers on both hands as if to do a kung-fu eyepoke, use these fingers to scoop up your flip-flops and run for dear life. In SA YO NA CHI (SA YO NA ang CHInelas ko) - Much simpler technique. You just kick off your flip-flops/slippers and run for dear life. He/they may have your stinking flip-flops if he wants them. Both are proven street techniques. I should probably mention that most Filipinos especially in the provincial areas are used to running barefoot. As I said, a proven self-defense technique, especially against multiple opponents. Jay de Leon www.tipunan.com "regiology4.6" wrote: Sorry po... i did not notice that Mr Jun already brought up the "Sa Yo Na Chi" style... but maybe we could add "HA RANG DOy" or loosely translated: "...it's a rip off dude" just for more laughs... Mabuhay Po Tayong Lahat reg ILDEFONSO ODAL wrote: Bro. Jorge, Ooopps 2 more is missing in the lineage... Under SGM Bonifastakbo "Kung-Tu" - kung tumakbo matulin "Botak-Chi" counter tekniks da "Sayona-Chi"- sa iyo ang tsinelas ko takbo na ako (rough english translation "here's my slipper or shoes and I'm running away) just 4 laughs too! But seriously did you see how much he charge, as much as 6k grand... Goes back in the old saying "when it's to good to be true, probably not true!" Analogy: Most rat poison is 99% rat food and 1% poison (enough to kill a lot of rat) 99% truth and 1% lie is still a lie... Jun FFALV ----- Original Message ---- From: jorge penafiel To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 12:38:47 PM Subject: [Eskrima] Speaking of!! OK,,,OK,,,Maurice and Andrew, am with you on the floor rolling and bawling from your witty notes regards the MA site on this current ED thread. In the beginning , I too was in awe with the info then later got bewildered with all the MA listed. Really, at first glance one would be so impressed but down further you'll just wonder and say 'yeap this is ugh enough already' !!. Undoubtedly an exceptional MA place by all regards but to be expected will also be a brunt for some comedic lines and inuendos. Oh well - we need some laughs occassionally specially with this gas prices we're having. Whatever!! Come to think about it, ,are we really up against some super bad guys out there today that we need all of these MA learning?? If so, one art not listed in the lineage part is the deadly street pinoy martial art we secretly refer to as "Botak Chi "(translation - takbo alsa chinilas). Ask any pinoy and you'll get the answer.. For laughs only.... Jorge Penafiel _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members Eskrima@martialartsresource.net Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource Standard disclaimers apply Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 11 Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:56:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Guru Mike Casto Subject: Re: [Eskrima] if it was true... To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net LOL. Good post, Maurice. Reminds me of something Pak Herman Suwanda used to say at seminars: "In America, everybody wants to be #1. I don't understand this. In Indonesia, nobody wants to be #1. If you're #1, then you have to defend that. Everyone will challenge you. People ask me if I'm #1. I say, 'No. I'm #3. That guy over there is #1. You go beat him then you'll be #1." As an American, I understand the importance of a resume. But I also understand the value of an honest resume. If I claim something that can't be verified - even if it's true - then it can look shady and will make people wonder. If I train something that is untrue and can be verified then I'm just setting myself up to look like a fool. If I claim too much, even if all of it is true, then it will tend to turn away the people I'm *really* interested in getting to. In America it does pay to toot your own horn ... and as a martial arts instructor I have to recognize that, whether I like it or not, there is value in that tooting skill. But I think there's also a lot of value in knowing what notes to play and when to play them :-) Even if this guy's resume is 100% legit ... he's just playing every note he knows and making a cacophony that is only appealing to the immature and the deaf who don't know any better (metaphorically speaking). Mike ----- Original Message ---- From: maurice gatdula To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 10:41:52 PM Subject: [Eskrima] if it was true... if it was true, hes not going to be selling video tapes. i think what we see here, the reaction to the guys resume, is a difference of culture, but also the difference of FILIPINO fma, and foreign fma. (no offense) what i mean is, in america, we are impressed with long resumes, fancy names for "fighting/self-defense" (special hand-to-hand combat tactics, etc.), complicated names for "techniques" (anti-nose assult barricading mathods, or "blockings"), you know. in the west, people are impressed with all of this. is this your combination attacks, or "templates"? can you fight, or are you "internationally recognized certified defense tactics technician..."? we like long resumes, certified by big names, an lately, we love "primitive training methods" like wrestling caribou in the mud and wearing sarong and rice paddy hats and short pants. filipinos, are simple. either you can fight, or you cant. when we see a technique, we say "that busyit not going to work against me". when the westerner sees it, he thinks "cool! i gotta learn it. good stuff!" when i meet a guy with 5 black belts, i automaticlly know, or think, this guy collects certificates and goes to serminars, example, mc dojo, and cant fight. when the westerner sees him, he is wondering if he was certified by master so and so. the first time i spar with a grappler, i wondered, can he take my punch (he couldnt). the martial artist fighter with no back bone, well, he is just the kind to lay down. so, how many times do we need to see "army special forces/SWAT/defense tactics teacher/close quarters combat/fancy names for martial arts" before we learn that this is the new mc dojo? do you know how easy it is to teach military and police? i started my first school at bolling air force base gym in washington dc. i taught military in riyadh, saudi arabia, maryland state troopers in baltimore maryland, navy seals in norfolk virginia, army troops in alexandria louisiana (forgot the name of the base, maybe alexandria?) and fort belvoir va. my resume can be long too. but you see, the tradition of the philippine martial arts, is, MY skill, and my student skills when they FIGHT. not paper or who signed it. not which masters i study with. this stuff is not important, only what can you do for me (the student), save the rambo stuff for the whores in the bar. a saying: people talk politics (rank, famous teachers, awards, seminars, argue about silly stuff like that), when they cannot prove his skill. here is another one: "you dropped something. a name." nobody give a sh!+ about all of that stuff. what can you do, that's what i want to know. i made this long post to share some filipino tradition in case some people never been exposed to this part of our martial arts. sometimes we focus too much on what sounds impressive, and forget the only impressive thing in our FMA, is fighting skill. fancy websites, long fancy names, and familiar names mean nothing, because you cant give your opponent your resume on the street. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. 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