Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 02:48:21 +0100 From: eskrima-request@martialartsresource.net Subject: Eskrima digest, Vol 15 #79 - 8 msgs X-Mailer: Mailman v2.0.13.cisto1 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Errors-To: eskrima-admin@martialartsresource.net X-BeenThere: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.13.cisto1 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net X-Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Eskrima-FMA discussion forum, the premier FMA forum on the Internet. 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Eskrima for the kids (Eskrima-FMA) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:04:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Harris To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Qualities of a Master Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Since some have already touched on the issues of character (courage, honesty, love of life, fighting spirit, etc.) I'm going to put aside the esoteric and philosophical. A master is someone that has the ability to effectively and efficiently execute the full range of techniques that make-up a particular martial arts system. An individual may be very proficient at certain aspects of a particular martial art and be a formidable opponent. They may possess the moral and spirtual aspects that some have described as characterizing a master. When I think of someone as being a master in my mind that means they have internalized the whole range of principles and techniques that make-up a particular system and can execute them instinctively, fluidly and almost flawlessly. --__--__-- Message: 2 From: "jorge penafiel" To: Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:36:16 -0400 Subject: [Eskrima] Who is a True Master!! Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net "Talibung Antike" - Wise and beyond eloquently put to heart your descriptive of an FMA Master. This I can live with and take deep into my inner senses.,,I was so moved by your thoughts regards the relevance of true eskrima in this our present times. WOW !!! Jorge Penafiel --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Felipe Jocano Subject: Re: [Eskrima] the subject of "masters" To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Hmm. If our associations here would agree amongst themselves to implement the trials you mentioned, I think we would come to an agreement as to who's the master :-) Let's see: "And they shall play three bouts apiece in single stick, stick and dagger, double sticks, single sword, sword and dagger, double swords, long stick, grappling and fisticuffs against three of the best local masters of defence, against three unskillful valiant men and three that are half-drunk...And if they go free and unhurt against all..." That should take care of a lot of "masters" :-) I've been waiting for a copy of Paradoxes of Defence to hit our shores. Maybe I've been looking in the wrong bookstores :-( Bot --- Jonathan Kessler wrote: > George Silver, one of those Masters of Defence from > the 16th century, propses the following as a fair > test (England was being swarmed with foreign fencers > claiming "mastery" much as in the US a few years > back there was a sort of unquestioning acceptance of > anything claiming to be an esoteric Asian fighting > art...) > I think what he proposes is quite fair and > sensible... > > "And this is the trial: They shall play with such > weapons as they profess to teach withal(4), three > bouts apiece with three of the best English masters > of defence & three bouts apiece with three > unskillful valiant men, and three bouts apiece with > three resolute men half drunk. Then if they can > defend themselves against these masters of defence, > and hurt, and go free from the rest, then are they > be honored, cherished, and allowed for perfect good > teachers, and what countrymen soever they be. But if > any of these they take fail, then they are imperfect > in their profession, their fight is false, & they > are false teachers, deceivers and murderers, and to > be punished accordingly, yet no worse punishment > unto them I wish, than such as in their trial they > shall find." > > By the way the whole manuscript ("Paradoxes of > Defence") is a great read. > > JK > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs --__--__-- Message: 4 From: <2@msfencing.org> To: Subject: RE: [Eskrima] Qualities of a Master Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 22:23:23 -0600 Organization: 2@msfencing.org Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net I suspect that a true master also feels very humbled whenever he hears himself called a master because he realizes that it would take more than one lifetime to truly completely master anything, especially his own self. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Harris [mailto:pmh1nic@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:04 PM > To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Subject: [Eskrima] Qualities of a Master > > Since some have already touched on the issues of character (courage, > honesty, love of life, fighting spirit, etc.) I'm going to put aside the > esoteric and philosophical. A master is someone that has the ability to > effectively and efficiently execute the full range of techniques that > make-up a particular martial arts system. > > An individual may be very proficient at certain aspects of a particular > martial art and be a formidable opponent. They may possess the moral and > spirtual aspects that some have described as characterizing a master. When > I think of someone as being a master in my mind that means they have > internalized the whole range of principles and techniques that make-up a > particular system and can execute them instinctively, fluidly and almost > flawlessly. > _______________________________________________ > Eskrima mailing list, 2500 members > Eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry and Martial Arts Resource > Standard disclaimers apply > Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net --__--__-- Message: 5 From: GatPuno@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:30:11 EDT To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] A Master/and who is the Masters Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > Rez, you are most welcome, sir, but I can't take credit for the idea of a > master creating "masterpieces".  I read it somewhere years ago, and if my > memory serves me, it was in an article written by martial artist and author David > Lowry, a frequent contributor to Black Belt magazine.  It was such a succinct > yet eloquent statement that I never forgot it, and paraphrase it often.  A > real "master" has such a depth of understanding of their art that they are > able to pass it on to others in a way that causes the lineage to remain strong, > and the art to not be diluted with  each succeeding generation.  The art may > evolve, as any living entity (or art) will naturally do, but the original > concepts and ideals of the master remain, as they  are an essential part of the > art. > > I guess, the Master that we are talking here is "Someone" who teach? Well, in a Eskrima if I would analyzed what is Master and Who is the Master is. Someone can walk the talk and not someone just talk and talk. Preaching is good, in a sense of religiously manner, but in Martial arts specially Eskrima is the art to kill to preserve your life. How would you test yourself to be a Master if you just talk and talk? Seems to me, that everyone want to be a "Teacher" but don't know what their teaching, oh, I am sorry he "imaginatively" know what he is talking about. To create a "Masterpiece" then you are talking teach someone to be a "Master"? You could be a Master of the arts without experienced of teaching, as long you have a lot of experienced in fighting, This is clearly evolved a master through battle, correcting his error in the hit of the battle, meaning he walk the walk. Not someone teaching a "hollow arts" empty..no assurance, even himself don't know if it will work for him, how would you teach a way, if yourself don't even know to walk through it. Nonsense to teach if you don't know what is your teaching. We can talk how much we want to talk about, but at the end of the day, we should realized we are teach fighting arts and we don't fights? or not practiced what we preach what are we called ourselves Fighting arts "Master" for? Did you ever asked this question to yourself, If you are a Master, or pretending to be "one"? If not I suggest to go back to first level, or stage of learning, this time "learn it good", like the new born baby (just lay back, be pampered, learn how turn to your stomach, grasp, talk, crawl, sit, stand, walk, run and then grow up and be matured, if you are lucky get married, and have baby on your own to teach your experienced, then you are in the right path to be called MASTER), get the picture?. Not nonsense a bunch of alibi, oh our arts is very deadly that why we don't spar, or fight, we only fight for real. If so, did you kill someone already, if not you are not a Master yet, you are nothing but a big bell sounding loud but look at it is hollow, (Filipino old saying is "husto lang sa dak-dak" all talks not enough work). I urge all of you Masters, reevaluate yourself before calling yourself "master" big title come with big responsibilities... Gat Puno Abon "Garimot" Baet Garimot Arnis Training Group International Laguna Arnis Federation International US Harimaw Buno Federation Hilot Research Center USA Tel. 954-432-4433 www.garimot.com ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00 030000000001) --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:40:53 -0400 From: Steve Ames To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] the subject of "masters" Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 08:17:52PM -0700, Felipe Jocano wrote: > I've been waiting for a copy of Paradoxes of Defence > to hit our shores. Maybe I've been looking in the > wrong bookstores :-( Its online. Read for free: http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/GSilver.htm There are at least three other copies available on the net also. Just google them up. --__--__-- Message: 7 From: Ray To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: Re: [Eskrima] Qualities of a Master Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 10:42:13 -0700 Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net > I suspect that a true master also feels very humbled whenever he hears > himself called a master because he realizes that it would take more > than one > lifetime to truly completely master anything, especially his own self. By strict definition a master is a teacher, an instructor, but many are and I think should be very humble about ever calling themselves a master. The best ones I've known never thought of themselves as a master until someone with a looonnnngggggg history and with great standing in the art started to use that term when referring to them. Ray Terry EskrimaDigest@sbcglobal.net --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2008 13:47:21 -0700 From: Eskrima-FMA To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Subject: [Eskrima] Eskrima for the kids Reply-To: eskrima@martialartsresource.net Monday, March 24, 2008 Rama: Summer fun for the kids Karlon N. Rama Sun.Star IT'S been a few days since the school year officially ended. And, while some schools have yet to hold their commencement exercises, the summer break has officially begun. And with that, many parents are now looking for a good summer program to keep their kids busy. Swimming is one of the more popular programs available and scores of providers offer the program for all ages. Martial Arts is also a viable alternative. I would prefer one with a cultural flavor though and, for obvious reasons, I recommend Eskrima. I am now compiling a list of Eskrima schools within Metro Cebu, their addresses and contact information. I'll post it at www.eskrima.multiply.com for reference as soon as it is finished. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Eskrima mailing list Eskrima@martialartsresource.net http://martialartsresource.net/mailman/listinfo/eskrima Subscribe or Unsubscribe: http://eskrima-fma.net Old digest issues @ ftp://ftp.martialartsresource.com/pub/eskrima Copyright 1994-2008: Ray Terry, MartialArtsResource.com, Sudlud.com Standard disclaimers apply. Remember September 11. End of Eskrima Digest